So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[BotanyBoy]

Show me a racist post of mine, you liar.

LOL pick one you cowardly shit bird.

 

[bobbyinhouston]

honest

My two cents. Give me respect and I will give you respect.

 

[smoothg103rd]

My two cents. Give me respect and I will give you respect.

You can't buy nothing with 2 cent.

 

[Sean Renaud]

100% that your feelings are valid and without a doubt based on real world experience. I do not find you to be a thin-skinned individual. When you felt dismissed, undervalued and ignored I am sure your gut was right.

But you do matter to a lot of people. Family, friends, I am sure the service was likely the closest you got to a world where color doesn't matter and probably some times it did there too.. You do not live the sort of life that would result in your being one of these victims if you want to call them that.

If you were shot, and it got this kind of publicity there would be major open questions because such an altercation is out of your nature and everyone that knows you would be screaming that. Not just family and a co-conspirator.

If wilson were some over-reacting, spoiling for a fight, racist asshole he would not have been working that neighborhood. Especially alone. No way he did what some people claim in broad daylight in front of a live, studio audience of only black faces. If he had ever been abusive to people in that neighborhood, people would be coming forward with tales. This was a good cop and a good shooting. Doesn't help the grieving Brown family. Doesn't help those that mostly because he looks a certain way, wrongly think, that could have been someone I love. Think about the people you love. The dumbest, most drunk crazy uncle, cousin or neighbor you have. Anyway at all he would go after a cop that way?

I'm not thin skinned, I think even by GB standards I'm generally one of the ducks who let shit roll off them. Though Kitty pissed me off but more because of the way she spoke to everybody else and when she turned it on me I told her in no uncertain terms she needs to calm her tits. Because seriously.

I don't believe if I got shot there would be any major questions. I'm not as young as Trayvon was or as "cute" as Brown was. I would be utterly ignored. I could be shot in the back at 50 yards and as a thirty something in shape male I don't think there would be any fanfare unless I was lucky enough to be caught on camera. This shit happens all the time and blacks are apparently capable of shooting lightning out of our asses because unarmed black man gets gunned down or choked out isn't news. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt (als you're a GBer and we seem to have longer than normal memories. Remember when that black guy was choked to death for sellin cigarettes? How much of a shit did America as whole give there? It got maybe two weeks of second tier reports. He wasn't "innocent" per se but I don't think selling cigarettes to kids warrants death. And I am fully aware of the fact that I am capable of wandering the line around on what warrants death a bit. I think this would constantly fall below my standard.

I'd like to add in since we are having a respectful conversation that my gut is not always right. Whether or not blacks are valued equally by American society is perhaps an opinion thing. (I don't think it is) but ultimately when someone doesn't feel you love them does it matter if you do or if you don't? I think the nationwide marches make it clear that collectively blacks do not feel loved by this nation.

I think you using the terms over reacting racist asshole are a bit telling. I think this is America and you don't need to be "racist" at least not in the terms we usually accept as negative racism to shoot a black. In the same way that like I said earlier you don't need to "hate" muslims to take something out on a beardy raghead. We've had multiple shootings at this point of various Indians (India Indians) at their houses of worship that we collectively have kinda shrugged at because we "get" that the perps were trying to kill terrorists. I'm not condoning it, I'm understanding it.

Oh, and they have come forward with story(ies) that he was an abusive cop. But I can only be so pissy about that. I know as a Marine sometimes you get pissy because it makes life easier. We're not friends, I'm in charge and you're not. I very nearly shot a dudes camel because it spat near me. (okay I dodged like an anime character but still) I was totally gonna waste that man's livelihood because I was heavily annoyed. I didn't view the Hadjis (as we called them) as human in the same way we Americans/Westerners are. I get it. I understand how easy it is to make that divide and how necessary it can be at times. But that doesn't make it "right" so much as necessary. Whites have to defend this man for the same reason they defended the marginally white (he could pass if he felt like it) Zimmerman. Because if you admit this happened at all and with a "cute" black guy you have to admit it happens all the fucking time with guys like me who aren't nearly as harmless looking. (I'm generally much more harmless. I mean I'm the same IRL as I am on Lit. Come at me and I will make you regret it but I'm rarely the instigator and I'm always willing to give you a chance to get up and contain the calamity that is your mammaries. In fact as far back as Middle School I got out of trouble because all the teachers and such knew I wouldn't back down but I knew a lot of ways to knock you down and I was the guy who knocked you down and asked you stay the fuck down becuase I really, honestly did not want to hit you again. But I would.


No, the dumbest most drunk uncle I have would never reach into a police car to grab a gun. That shit is retarded.

All races goes to jail. And jail is none of the above. You are just making assumptions, have you ever been there?

No, all races do not go jail in equal numbers or for equal proportions. This is bullshit. Being black can literally get you arrested or shot.

Oh it will never happen, CA isn't about to let their cash/water assets go.

-snip-
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Nah for all the shit we give you guys we still love ya in that hippie way we love everyone....and it's entertaining to see y'all up here, you stand out like a sore thumb. Gives us something to talk about during the weekly social out in the grocery store parking lot when they come up here to buy weed.

And yea...the water thing is bullshit and a large reason why the whole state of Jefferson thing is even there. Tired of sucking hind tit so the folks in LA can keep their fucking golf courses nice and green and getting literally NO say so in the matter.

Ah well...we keep it up and they will be in for a world of hurt here pretty soon, shit just won't be there.

Aww, that's the nicest thing I've ever heard a Northerner say without being next to a Texan. And we don't actually hate you. I mean we wouldn't care if you joined Oregon but that's because bear no loyalty to you. We don't actually hate you. Like Oregon and Washington we actually rather like you all things said and we fight you cus it's fun!

Most departments actively seek out recruits that are black. They cannot find enough.

The "Us vs Them" is exacerbated every time the usual suspects conflates an incident that had nothing to do with race or police brutality into one. The more these tensions are inflamed the less OK it is for a youth to aspire to be a cop.

The Irish and the Italians found it perfectly acceptable to have gangster, cops and priests from the same neighborhood.

Seeking out recruits now is one of those problematic issues. The cops are the enemy. Minorities are "loathe" to join because it's basically turn your back on your community.

The Us vs Them is a genuine problem and one I acknowledge and don't know how to unfuck with our current tools.

You have evidence that the Irish and Italians found it perfectly acceptable? Cus I think I could look back at European history, WWII German in particular and say that NO people do not react well to oppression. Or if you prefer the American South. I'd be would be willing to bet that we could look back over history and fine that this scenario sucks in general.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, the dumbest most drunk uncle I have would never reach into a police car to grab a gun. That shit is retarded.

No, all races do not go jail in equal numbers or for equal proportions. This is bullshit. Being black can literally get you arrested or shot.

Truth and moar truth.....seen the 2nd first hand down in lovely GA. It's funny how much the cops tone changed once they realized they had pulled an NCO out of his car and stood on his head for literally NO reason at all. More fucked up part? They totally ignored me, to the effect had I been a baddies suspect as they alleged they thought we were, I would have had like 2 min to either dip out or waste them totally unhindered.

Being black in Georgia is a horrible thing and I imagine it's just as bad if not worse in most of the south but still present everywhere. Just a matter of degree...

Aww, that's the nicest thing I've ever heard a Northerner say without being next to a Texan. And we don't actually hate you. I mean we wouldn't care if you joined Oregon but that's because bear no loyalty to you. We don't actually hate you. Like Oregon and Washington we actually rather like you all things said and we fight you cus it's fun!

LOL yea we do the same back at you guys "oh look Hollywood is here." it's all fun and games till someone gets in a bar fight and the whole unit is on extra duty right?

The Us vs Them is a genuine problem and one I acknowledge and don't know how to unfuck with our current tools.

Yeaaaaa....idk if there really is a way to unfuck that.

The whole law enforcement v law breakers among the citizens conflict seems to be one of those eternal human social factors. Something we can only try to manage and not really something we should be trying to fix per se. IDK....sounds like some shit that gives sociologist heartburn at night.

This is why I work with plants...back to the lab.

 

[Que]

@ Sean that is some good stuff. Especially the honesty about how us vs them whether it be blacks and cops or marines and hadjis. Thought provoking.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm not thin skinned, I think even by GB standards I'm generally one of the ducks who let shit roll off them. Though Kitty pissed me off but more because of the way she spoke to everybody else and when she turned it on me I told her in no uncertain terms she needs to calm her tits. Because seriously.

I don't believe if I got shot there would be any major questions. I'm not as young as Trayvon was or as "cute" as Brown was. I would be utterly ignored. I could be shot in the back at 50 yards and as a thirty something in shape male I don't think there would be any fanfare unless I was lucky enough to be caught on camera. This shit happens all the time and blacks are apparently capable of shooting lightning out of our asses because unarmed black man gets gunned down or choked out isn't news. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt (als you're a GBer and we seem to have longer than normal memories. Remember when that black guy was choked to death for sellin cigarettes? How much of a shit did America as whole give there? It got maybe two weeks of second tier reports. He wasn't "innocent" per se but I don't think selling cigarettes to kids warrants death. And I am fully aware of the fact that I am capable of wandering the line around on what warrants death a bit. I think this would constantly fall below my standard.

I'd like to add in since we are having a respectful conversation that my gut is not always right. Whether or not blacks are valued equally by American society is perhaps an opinion thing. (I don't think it is) but ultimately when someone doesn't feel you love them does it matter if you do or if you don't? I think the nationwide marches make it clear that collectively blacks do not feel loved by this nation.

I think you using the terms over reacting racist asshole are a bit telling. I think this is America and you don't need to be "racist" at least not in the terms we usually accept as negative racism to shoot a black. In the same way that like I said earlier you don't need to "hate" muslims to take something out on a beardy raghead. We've had multiple shootings at this point of various Indians (India Indians) at their houses of worship that we collectively have kinda shrugged at because we "get" that the perps were trying to kill terrorists. I'm not condoning it, I'm understanding it.

Oh, and they have come forward with story(ies) that he was an abusive cop. But I can only be so pissy about that. I know as a Marine sometimes you get pissy because it makes life easier. We're not friends, I'm in charge and you're not. I very nearly shot a dudes camel because it spat near me. (okay I dodged like an anime character but still) I was totally gonna waste that man's livelihood because I was heavily annoyed. I didn't view the Hadjis (as we called them) as human in the same way we Americans/Westerners are. I get it. I understand how easy it is to make that divide and how necessary it can be at times. But that doesn't make it "right" so much as necessary. Whites have to defend this man for the same reason they defended the marginally white (he could pass if he felt like it) Zimmerman. Because if you admit this happened at all and with a "cute" black guy you have to admit it happens all the fucking time with guys like me who aren't nearly as harmless looking. (I'm generally much more harmless. I mean I'm the same IRL as I am on Lit. Come at me and I will make you regret it but I'm rarely the instigator and I'm always willing to give you a chance to get up and contain the calamity that is your mammaries. In fact as far back as Middle School I got out of trouble because all the teachers and such knew I wouldn't back down but I knew a lot of ways to knock you down and I was the guy who knocked you down and asked you stay the fuck down becuase I really, honestly did not want to hit you again. But I would.


No, the dumbest most drunk uncle I have would never reach into a police car to grab a gun. That shit is retarded.



No, all races do not go jail in equal numbers or for equal proportions. This is bullshit. Being black can literally get you arrested or shot.



Aww, that's the nicest thing I've ever heard a Northerner say without being next to a Texan. And we don't actually hate you. I mean we wouldn't care if you joined Oregon but that's because bear no loyalty to you. We don't actually hate you. Like Oregon and Washington we actually rather like you all things said and we fight you cus it's fun!



Seeking out recruits now is one of those problematic issues. The cops are the enemy. Minorities are "loathe" to join because it's basically turn your back on your community.

The Us vs Them is a genuine problem and one I acknowledge and don't know how to unfuck with our current tools.

You have evidence that the Irish and Italians found it perfectly acceptable? Cus I think I could look back at European history, WWII German in particular and say that NO people do not react well to oppression. Or if you prefer the American South. I'd be would be willing to bet that we could look back over history and fine that this scenario sucks in general.

Us vs Them is ETHNOCENTRISM. My gang vs your gang. My clan vs your clan. Scottish-Irish Southerners get it. The Montagues and the Capulets. I cant imagine anything worse than discovering I'm related to a Campbell. Ancient grudges and new mutinies.

Peter Horry of Francis Marion's staff said blacks were more useful than road signs to the British, giving up the Patriot hides in South Carolina.

 

[Sean Renaud]

@ Sean that is some good stuff. Especially the honesty about how us vs them whether it be blacks and cops or marines and hadjis. Thought provoking.

I think one thing that we collectively don't get is how black and grey the world actually is. I mean without alienating you I could talk about how the Middle East was carved up at the fall of the Ottoman Empire or how all the shit there is currenttly our (everybody who was allied with England in WWI) fault and that those people are largely acting out because they are pissed about shit or do we need to talk white people? Cus if you want I cant talk about how the Treaty of Versailles didn't really help the Germans. Shall we explain how that lead to WWII? Cus we can and I will explain how white people when shat on don't nearly end the world.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anybody else wouldn't world war if they had the means. I fully believe that given the means my people might or would declare war but we've been kept from the means.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

First let me point out that your question is of poor construction. I went the FBI site and looked at some breakdowns and in total number of crimes, it goes back and forth as to who commits the most which gives you an argument against what you think the OP said. However, went you compare numbers as a ratio, crimes over population, the black demographic wins hands down. Now I saw on page one or two the claim that FBI statistics never ever mention race and that was then assumed to be an a prori statement, but it I found it, then it cannot be a true statement or a valid premise for any logical construction, therefore, YOU need to make your case, not I.

Now, a partial answer to the question as I interpreted it, not raw numbers, which are not altogether truthful, but as a ratio which tells a grim and disturbing story.

Because as I have expounded upon many times, white Liberals simply refuse to let them grow up and encourage and foster their anti-social behavior in the guise of tolerance, diversity and understanding and then the offer them the hope of one-size fits all plans to improve their lot, that are variations on Bastiat's Broken Window fallacy that leads them, for appearance sake, to taking one step forward while ignoring the eventual two steps taken backwards once they move on to the next patronizing plan.

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But, as I pointed out, you are not engaging in conversation, but the same behavior. You're not offering any thought or idea, what you are doing is eliciting a response in order that you may begin your next attack.

To me, it indicates one of two things: a mind closed or a mind unsure and insecure.

Both states have the same cause - the underdeveloped liberal ideology of moral relativism and the shaky and contradictory compartmentalization of which it is comprised.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=773814

First let me point out that your post contains several misspelled words. Most programs offer spell check. You should ask one of the adults to help you with that.

Second let me point out that your post is long winded and neither addresses the cause of the violent crime mentioned in the op, or my response attempting to educate you right wing racists. What we are doing as a society is to feed the cycle of poverty, crime and prison before we release someone back into society who has had to employ brute force to survive and adopt values that are contrary to a civilized community. Society has spent a ton of money to take a criminal out of society, make them worse and then release them back into society.

As far as all that other bulletin board nonsense about a game I’m playing, I have one or two friends on this board and maybe 10 personalities that I like but I’ve never been a joiner of clicks and I’m not highly concerned about my GB rep. Also, making you look like an asshole doesn’t motivate me as I can see, you don’t need my help.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

First let me point out that your post contains several misspelled words. Most programs offer spell check. You should ask one of the adults to help you with that.

Second let me point out that your post is long winded and neither addresses the cause of the violent crime mentioned in the op, or my response attempting to educate you right wing racists. What we are doing as a society is to feed the cycle of poverty, crime and prison before we release someone back into society who has had to employ brute force to survive and adopt values that are contrary to a civilized community. Society has spent a ton of money to take a criminal out of society, make them worse and then release them back into society.

As far as all that other bulletin board nonsense about a game I’m playing, I have one or two friends on this board and maybe 10 personalities that I like but I’ve never been a joiner of clicks and I’m not highly concerned about my GB rep. Also, making you look like an asshole doesn’t motivate me as I can see, you don’t need my help.

We don't care let the Obama voters eat shit and die.

 

[Kitty]

We don't care let the Obama voters eat shit and die.

If only you were an Obama voter.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

We don't care let the Obama voters eat shit and die.

Jimmy B, being you must be very painful.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Ishy, this is your thread. How has your honest discussion going?

 

[lovecraft68]

I want honest answers to these questions.

1-how many of these "upset" rioters could pic brown out of a crowd?

2-How many of the same crowd is even from Ferguson?

3-how many could name the cop who shot him?

4-how many have jobs?

5 all the owners of these businesses that have been destroyed all these people who have lost their livelihood. what exactly did they have to do with brown being shot?

Did they shoot him?

Did they tell Wilson to shoot him?

Were they part of the grand Jury?

6-why not "protest" the people who are responsible for this alleged racism? Why not storm sity hall, the police station, the courthouse?

Answer to number six....nothing to steal.

7 since when is the prime suspect in an armed robbery, one who struggles with and runs from police an "innocent"

8 why are all these innocents only shown as being ten when they are now adults?

Answer if you saw what they looked like at the time of the shooting no one would feel bad for them.

9 when...oh when is the real black population going to rise up and riot against these sickening leeches running around using an alleged racism as an excuse to sit on their welfare asses and hurt people and when are they going to call for Sharpton's head because he is a disgrace to them?

Answers please.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I want honest answers to these questions.

1-how many of these "upset" rioters could pic brown out of a crowd?

Makes absolutely no difference at all. The issue here is how blacks are treated in general in this country and Brown is just the ignition point.

2-How many of the same crowd is even from Ferguson?

Considering the crowds have gone nationwide I assume less than 1%. Again it makes no difference.

3-how many could name the cop who shot him?

Does it matter? It's basically the same as the first two.

4-how many have jobs?

Given what the unemployment rate is I have to assume most of them. But aside from you wanting to make a lazy niggers comment how does this matter?

5 all the owners of these businesses that have been destroyed all these people who have lost their livelihood. what exactly did they have to do with brown being shot?

Little to nothing. Upset people are not always rational. Do you want to talk about the Boston Tea Party or the businesses that were destroyed by your heroes that had little or nothing to do with what was going on in England?

Did they shoot him?

No. Do you intentionally ask stupid questions? Victims of convenience are just that.

Did they tell Wilson to shoot him?

They tacitly did by electing the leadership in their county yes. But against, Victim of convenience.

Were they part of the grand Jury?

Nope, but they helped elect the people who chose it.

6-why not "protest" the people who are responsible for this alleged racism? Why not storm sity hall, the police station, the courthouse?

It's not alleged racism. It's flat out stone cold racism. And angry people do what angry people do. For the most part they've been peaceful.

Answer to number six....nothing to steal.

Racist prick.

7 since when is the prime suspect in an armed robbery, one who struggles with and runs from police an "innocent"

Since always. It's America, innocent until proven guilty. And the cop has admitted last I heard that he hadn't even heard about the APB so Brown's crime at the time was jay walking. Not "armed robbery" And by armed you mean shoved with his hand by the way.

8 why are all these innocents only shown as being ten when they are now adults?

They aren't.

Answer if you saw what they looked like at the time of the shooting no one would feel bad for them.

If you don't you're racist scum and should feel bad.

9 when...oh when is the real black population going to rise up and riot against these sickening leeches running around using an alleged racism as an excuse to sit on their welfare asses and hurt people and when are they going to call for Sharpton's head because he is a disgrace to them?

Hopefully never. Our disease is silence. This "conversation" is something we should have been having for decades. Obama shouldn't be a fucking bitch about it either he should be front and center standing with the Black community but we've been well trained obey.

 

[Ishmael]

~snip~ for brevity.

9 when...oh when is the real black population going to rise up and riot against these sickening leeches running around using an alleged racism as an excuse to sit on their welfare asses and hurt people and when are they going to call for Sharpton's head because he is a disgrace to them?

I have a follow on question re. the above.

Are the Sharpton's, Jackson's, and the rest of the old guard 'civil rights' dudes even relevant to today's black community? I know that the liberal media runs to them every time anything happens that happens to have a black person involved, but are they relevant to the black community or just media darlings?

Ishmael

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I have a follow on question re. the above.

Are the Sharpton's, Jackson's, and the rest of the old guard 'civil rights' dudes even relevant to today's black community? I know that the liberal media runs to them every time anything happens that happens to have a black person involved, but are they relevant to the black community or just media darlings?

Ishmael

Ishy, this is your thread. How has your honest discussion going?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I have a follow on question re. the above.

Are the Sharpton's, Jackson's, and the rest of the old guard 'civil rights' dudes even relevant to today's black community? I know that the liberal media runs to them every time anything happens that happens to have a black person involved, but are they relevant to the black community or just media darlings?

Ishmael

Not really. Old white racists like to bring them up but nobody much cares what they think. I don't think there is a such thing as a black leader today that people can really flock behind but being fair that's more an American issue than a black issue. I would love to dump on the black community being fractured but America is fractured.

 

[Que]

Not really. Old white racists like to bring them up but nobody much cares what they think. I don't think there is a such thing as a black leader today that people can really flock behind but being fair that's more an American issue than a black issue. I would love to dump on the black community being fractured but America is fractured.

It is not old white racists giving them air time, publicity, and the imprimatur of relevancy.

 

[Ishmael]

Ishy, this is your thread. How has your honest discussion going?

There have been a few thoughtful and relevant posts. And a LOT of the usual crap when a subject like this comes up.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

I have a follow on question re. the above.

Are the Sharpton's, Jackson's, and the rest of the old guard 'civil rights' dudes even relevant to today's black community? I know that the liberal media runs to them every time anything happens that happens to have a black person involved, but are they relevant to the black community or just media darlings?

Ishmael

No, they are not. Smart people have been telling you that for years.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

There have been a few thoughtful and relevant posts. And a LOT of the usual crap when a subject like this comes up.

Ishmael

Yes, that is unfortunate. Some of the posters feel that the have to post on a topic of which that have no knowledge. However, in spite of the posers, have you learned anything as a result of this thread?

 

[RobDownSouth]

There have been a few thoughtful and relevant posts. And a LOT of the usual crap when a subject like this comes up.

Ishmael

The "usual crap" began in the original post, when, for the umpteenth time, you felt compelled to denigrate black folks. Having gotten your cancer-ridden ass kicked thoroughly in the past on this issue, you did a lot of insinuation (coz it give you "plausible deniability".)

I enjoyed this exchange (paraphrased here):

• Ishmael: Statistics show blacks commit a lot of crime!
• Joeybagofdonuts: Why do you suppose that is, Ishmael?
• (Ishmael vanishes)
• Vettebigot: OMG, Ishmael is in trouble! Bro cavalry to the rescue! Joey, don't you understand (repeats Ishmael's words verbatim, giving him (vettebigot) something to hide behind).
• Joeybagofdonuts: But WHY do you suppose that is, Vettebigot?
• Forrest_Gump: OMG, Vetty's in trouble! Bro cavalry to the rescue! Joey, don't you understand (repeats VETTY's post about Ishmael, near verbatim)
• Joeybagofdonuts: Can ANY of you give me an answer as to WHY blacks commit a lot of crime?
• Forrest_Gump: Deflection attempt, followed by "I'm a victim, you add nothing to the discussion! NOTHING!"
• Ishmael: (sensing it is safe to go back in the water) and what about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson!

Honestly, this is about the sixth time this little exchange has played out, and it's always the same. It's like a set piece battle.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It is not old white racists giving them air time, publicity, and the imprimatur of relevancy.

Neither one of us can prove that. I'd be willing to bet that the people who are running those companies are both old and white. Now whether they give them airtime because they honestly think they are relevant, want to make the black community look bad, or just because it gets under some people's skin is well beside the point.

But when have any of the liberals on here brought up Jesse or Sharpton as "hey this guy said, so it must be so!"

 

[tweety1972]

Well.... Now..... Wow....