So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[Disgustipated]

Wilson can't be blamed for silly rumors. There is no evidence he ever said he had a shattered eye socket.

Fine. So he did say the giant had him on the ground, beating his face. Does it look like that to you?

 

[eyer]

How old are you?

Ask Judge Judy, bozo...

...and then ask her why you totally refuse to submit your starving ego to the stone-cold fact that a grand jury of your peers considered all the evidence you'll ever stumble across and tons more you'll never have any idea of, and they still determined there was no crime committed by the police officer.

Fuck off, you bigoted witch hunter.

 

[toubab]

True again... However, if you remove the boldfaced three words at the end, the statement is untrue unless you also remove the boldfaced three-letter word.

I see no reason to believe, at this point, it was anything other than self defense.

 

[toubab]

Fine. So he did say the giant had him on the ground, beating his face. Does it look like that to you?

He never said that.

 

[Que]

The silly minutiae and the people that know nothing about the minutiae.

Being punched in the head often results in fractures of the metacarpal for the guy doing the punching. The exceptions are if you hit someone where they have some give, then maybe they take more of it than your fist. Noses bleed easily and have give to them since it is just cartilage, jaws move so the impact to your hand is lessened and the eye socket is fairly weak and it it not uncommon if hit in the eye to get a fractured socket. If there is swelling and tenderness around the ridge surrounding the eye often there are fractures, not always chipped through.

For him to go to the hospital and get an xray for that would be standard practice. No one with any "verity" on the matter disputes that Brown socked Wilson in the eye. The fact that what he was being checked for leaked has not one thing to do with a cover-up

Brown could have MISSED with the punch that witnesses say he landed and STILL been justifiably SHOT.

 

[Jennifer]

Does Wilson's eye socket looked shattered to you?

Strangely, an eye socket can be fractured with no noticeable injury. I am not saying it was or it wasn't but in my operating room experience, there is typically not even obvious bruising for an orbital fracture and surgery is not always necessary.

 

[Que]

Strangely, an eye socket can be fractured with no noticeable injury. I am not saying it was or it wasn't but in my operating room experience, there is typically not even obvious bruising for an orbital fracture and surgery is not always necessary.

Exactly. You still check mostly because you don't want bone fragments near your eye.

No one is "lying" about suspecting one, or being overly dramatic. If his eye was fine at the site, even with a major orbital fracture no one was saying he was losing the eye.

The bruising on the girl is a black eye which happens like all bruises with broken blood vessels and does not indicate a greater or lesser injury to the bones underneath.

 

[rippitydoo]

I see no reason to believe, at this point, it was anything other than self defense.

I never asked if you saw any, nor did I ask you to believe so... You are the one who (for the past half-day or so) has been going on about evidence (or lack thereof).

As I believe I posted in the thread before, we have evidence that he shot MB, & we have laws that make that illegal. So he should be punished the way anyone that breaks the law should... Including losing (not getting to leave by choice) his job of upholding the law.

 

[toubab]

I never asked if you saw any, nor did I ask you to believe so... You are the one who (for the past half-day or so) has been going on about evidence (or lack thereof).

As I believe I posted in the thread before, we have evidence that he shot MB, & we have laws that make that illegal. So he should be punished the way anyone that breaks the law should... Including losing (not getting to leave by choice) his job of upholding the law.

You are wrong. There are no laws that make it automatically illegal to shoot someone. Quite the contrary. There are laws that make it legal to shoot someone, under certain circumstances. One of those circumstances is self defense.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Strangely, an eye socket can be fractured with no noticeable injury. I am not saying it was or it wasn't but in my operating room experience, there is typically not even obvious bruising for an orbital fracture and surgery is not always necessary.

The point is that it wasn't. The only justification for killing a suspect is to save a life or in self defense. Ferguson police immediately imitated a cover up.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm not a doctor and neither are any of you. ... but an eye would most likely show broken blood vessels. The skin would be red or at least irritated.

 

[rippitydoo]

You are wrong. There are no laws that make it automatically illegal to shoot someone. Quite the contrary. There are laws that make it legal to shoot someone, under certain circumstances. One of those circumstances is self defense.

Well-aware.... You already posted that you choose to believe it was self-defense, to which I already responded that you're the one saying everything needs proof & all that, & since you yourself claim to "believe" it was self-defense (I'm not saying it wasn't, notice), I was making the point there is no evidence proving that.

There is, however, evidence he was shot (for whatever reason), & the shooter is not denying it.

 

[Que]

I never asked if you saw any, nor did I ask you to believe so... You are the one who (for the past half-day or so) has been going on about evidence (or lack thereof).

As I believe I posted in the thread before, we have evidence that he shot MB, & we have laws that make that illegal. So he should be punished the way anyone that breaks the law should... Including losing (not getting to leave by choice) his job of upholding the law.

We do not have any laws that make "shooting someone' illegal. We have lots of laws about when you CAN and when you cannot shoot someone. The pertinent laws in this case say that he COULD shoot Brown. Which is why this is called a justifiable homicide. And not as the shrieking hoards insist on calling it "murder."

Before it went to a grand jury I suspected that but I had no way of knowing. A grand jury is the one that differentiates between the two if it is not patently obvious.

Citing law (which you obviously know nothing about, not even TV law) while ignoring that the law has adjudicated this case is silly. Either law means something or it doesn't. If it does, then your proper response is, Ok, a jury decided this, case closed.

The law doesn't just apply if you like the outcome.

If Brown were white (same for Martin) there would have been no grand jury. In both cases the evidence overwhelmingly showed that unarmed men attacked armed men and predictably lost that battle.

 

[toubab]

The point is that it wasn't. The only justification for killing a suspect is to save a life or in self defense. Ferguson police immediately imitated a cover up.

Ferguson police didn't do shit immediately. That was the problem. They let all kinds of rumors circulate for days, without responding with facts.

 

[Jennifer]

The point is that it wasn't. The only justification for killing a suspect is to save a life or in self defense. Ferguson police immediately imitated a cover up.

Oh, I am in no way a Wilson fan. I can only say what I have seen in my years as an OR nurse with lots of experience with facial fractures.

 

[rippitydoo]

We do not have any laws that make "shooting someone' illegal. We have lots of laws about when you CAN and when you cannot shoot someone. The pertinent laws in this case say that he COULD shoot Brown. Which is why this is called a justifiable homicide. And not as the shrieking hoards insist on calling it "murder."

Before it went to a grand jury I suspected that but I had no way of knowing. A grand jury is the one that differentiates between the two if it is not patently obvious.

If Brown were white (same for Martin) there would have been no grand jury. In both cases the evidence overwhelmingly showed that unarmed men attacked armed men and predictably lost that battle.

"Mr. Brown can moo. Can you?"

I am not talking about Michael (who can't do anything now but maybe help plants grow). I am referring to the old book that comes from the same area where you got that "information"... The land with no evidence it's factual, which (as I already posted) was your catchphrase until someone used it to prove what you wrote was the same bag of crap you were claiming others' writings were.

There was no "grand jury" for either case... That may be what they called it, but they've called it that a million times on "Law & Order", & it never includes royalty, the "leader of the free world", or anything like that. It's a set number of... Humans, just like you & me. In both cases, they got it wrong, same as Brown did when he shot that man to death.

 

[Jennifer]

I'm not a doctor and neither are any of you. ... but an eye would most likely show broken blood vessels. The skin would be red or at least irritated.

Nope. Not necessarily true.

 

[toubab]

Well-aware.... You already posted that you choose to believe it was self-defense, to which I already responded that you're the one saying everything needs proof & all that, & since you yourself claim to "believe" it was self-defense (I'm not saying it wasn't, notice), I was making the point there is no evidence proving that.

There is, however, evidence he was shot (for whatever reason), & the shooter is not denying it.

You need proof, or at least a lot of evidence, to charge and convict someone of a crime. I see no reason, at this point, to believe such proof or preponderance of evidence exists.

It is not automatically illegal to shoot someone.

 

[Que]

I'm not a doctor and neither are any of you. ... but an eye would most likely show broken blood vessels. The skin would be red or at least irritated.

So you are not a doctor but you know more than an emergency room nurse? Just because your drunken brawls have resulted in your black eyes doesn't mean that happens every time. Maybe you just bruise easy.

The fact that wilson was punched is not in dispute. The fact that he had his arms inside the car and his blood on wilsons gun is not in dispute.

You know so little about this case that you think the punch happened on the ground and not while wilson was in his cruiser, ambushed and unable to get out or to have freedom of movement to punch back. Lot easier to punch into a car than out of it which is why unless you are using it to get away you do not take refuge inside a car.

 

[Ishmael]

So you are not a doctor but you know more than an emergency room nurse? Just because your drunken brawls have resulted in your black eyes doesn't mean that happens every time. Maybe you just bruise easy.

The fact that wilson was punched is not in dispute. The fact that he had his arms inside the car and his blood on wilsons gun is not in dispute.

You know so little about this case that you think the punch happened on the ground and not while wilson was in his cruiser, ambushed and unable to get out or to have freedom of movement to punch back. Lot easier to punch into a car than out of it which is why unless you are using it to get away you do not take refuge inside a car.

You are bantering with morons here you know?

Ishmael

 

[mikey2much]

forget ferguson. Lets talk race not cops

In 1959 I started school in cheyenne Wyo. I was a part of a large wave of construction workers kids that descended on the school system of the state of wyoming. This was well before the civil rights was an accepted notion for blacks.

In the school population of several hundred there were a handful of black students that went to school with all the whites and hispanics.(at that time we just thought of them as mexicans) The whites in wyoming seemed to think of the mexicans much as the whites in the south thought of the blacks.

The thing about it that is important is that the blacks didn't have the numbers to support their own culture so it seemed to me that they accepted the culture of the whites and blended right in.

In my memories of those years in that school I don't think any of those black kids would have been treated any different if they had been white. But the hispanics, they caught hell. They were the 'niggars' and the blacks were with the whites. One of the black kids was the school artist.

The question I am asking is this. Is it race as much as it is culture?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Nope. Not necessarily true.

Not even multiple punches from a demon?

That's bizarre.

 

[Que]

You are bantering with morons here you know?

Ishmael

I started to actually write in the blurt thread that there should be an IQ rating next to the user name so that you can differentiate stupid from ill-informed before you bother to attempt to enlighten them.

I stopped and backed out of the blurt thread because I realized this is not the first time I have done an IQ test on any of the above. So, who is the dummy, really?

For crying out loud, Rip talks openly about having an incident (totally the other kid's fault) with a chin strap for his helmet. I thought he was joking. He was not.

 

[Kitty]

Nope. Not necessarily true.

I forget you're a nurse. My ass hurts. Should I be worried?

Signed, Kitty.

 

[toubab]

In 1959 I started school in cheyenne Wyo. I was a part of a large wave of construction workers kids that descended on the school system of the state of wyoming. This was well before the civil rights was an accepted notion for blacks.

In the school population of several hundred there were a handful of black students that went to school with all the whites and hispanics.(at that time we just thought of them as mexicans) The whites in wyoming seemed to think of the mexicans much as the whites in the south thought of the blacks.

The thing about it that is important is that the blacks didn't have the numbers to support their own culture so it seemed to me that they accepted the culture of the whites and blended right in.

In my memories of those years in that school I don't think any of those black kids would have been treated any different if they had been white. But the hispanics, they caught hell. They were the 'niggars' and the blacks were with the whites. One of the black kids was the school artist.

The question I am asking is this. Is it race as much as it is culture?

At this point in history, I think it's mostly culture.