So the Minn. bridge collapse shows 3 things about our infrastructure

[Le Jacquelope]

One, from what I've heard, rescuers have stopped looking for survivors and started looking for bodies. That sucks. There's always someone pulling their last straw connecting them to this world in that kind of disaster. You never stop looking.

Two, I heard about people getting out and directing traffic and helping with rescues, so more rescue personnel and law enforcement could get down to the business of saving lives. Good stuff. Way to go.

Three, take a look at the road map of Minnesota. If Minnesota traffic were the human circulatory system, highway 35 looks like its aorta. The way I see it, this disaster has huge potential long term implications for traffic all over the state's major highway systems.

It's a pity that our infrastructure has such problems. A poorly designed bridge. A poorly maintained bridge. And a single blocked road that could potentially paralyze not only interstate traffic, but internal routes all over the state.

What a mess. If you spend the money for backup routes and to make the roads right to begin with (put supports under the bridge over the friggin water, for crying out loud!), it costs less than what they've got coming now.

 

[Songcatcher]

 

[Christopher19]

Well put.

 

[phrodeau]

The collapse happened inside the I494-I694 beltway, so most of the through traffic won't be affected, except that the beltway will get heavier use from detoured locals.

For through traffic wishing to avoid the beltway, there's I35E. So yes, there is redundancy and backup routes are in place.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

One, from what I've heard, rescuers have stopped looking for survivors and started looking for bodies. That sucks. There's always someone pulling their last straw connecting them to this world in that kind of disaster. You never stop looking.

Two, I heard about people getting out and directing traffic and helping with rescues, so more rescue personnel and law enforcement could get down to the business of saving lives. Good stuff. Way to go.

Three, take a look at the road map of Minnesota. If Minnesota traffic were the human circulatory system, highway 35 looks like its aorta. The way I see it, this disaster has huge potential long term implications for traffic all over the state's major highway systems.

It's a pity that our infrastructure has such problems. A poorly designed bridge. A poorly maintained bridge. And a single blocked road that could potentially paralyze not only interstate traffic, but internal routes all over the state.

What a mess. If you spend the money for backup routes and to make the roads right to begin with (put supports under the bridge over the friggin water, for crying out loud!), it costs less than what they've got coming now.

This is going to cripple an already gimpy system. Not only is highway traffic an issue .. but waterway traffic as well.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

The collapse happened inside the I494-I694 beltway, so most of the through traffic won't be affected, except that the beltway will get heavier use from detoured locals.

For through traffic wishing to avoid the beltway, there's I35E. So yes, there is redundancy and backup routes are in place.

Yes .. most people use 35E for through (the entire metro) traffic. No one wanted to drive through that shit even when there was a bridge.

 

[phrodeau]

Perhaps, but I think it's likely that they'll get the waterway cleared within a week.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

Perhaps, but I think it's likely that they'll get the waterway cleared within a week.

That will not be long-term .. but will have an effect. Add it up .. this is going to cost us our first born children.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Yes .. most people use 35E for through (the entire metro) traffic. No one wanted to drive through that shit even when there was a bridge.

I heard from a friend there that 200,000 cars go across that bridge per day. I'd hate to be driving through an area where that many cars are now detouring somewhere else.

 

[leZilla]

I heard from a friend there that 200,000 cars go across that bridge per day. I'd hate to be driving through an area where that many cars are now detouring somewhere else.

CNN said half that many cars drive over that bridge every day.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Perhaps, but I think it's likely that they'll get the waterway cleared within a week.

Don't they have to do an environmental study first? Perhaps some rare fish likes the habitat created by the bridge sections that collapsed into the water.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

I heard from a friend there that 200,000 cars go across that bridge per day. I'd hate to be driving through an area where that many cars are now detouring somewhere else.

KARE11 reported 100,000 and my Dad thinks that is a seriously low estimate. He read a report a few weeks ago pertaining to the real estate market and how it is effected by changing traffic patterns that estimated 175,000 20 years ago so you can imagine how much that number has grown since.

I didnt want to drive through there this morning i sure as hell have no desire to now. Its a mess.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

Don't they have to do an environmental study first? Perhaps some rare fish likes the habitat created by the bridge sections that collapsed into the water.

And this is Minnesota just wait until the DNR gets involved! You have no idea how accurate that statement may prove to be.

 

[spence_99]

One, from what I've heard, rescuers have stopped looking for survivors and started looking for bodies. That sucks. There's always someone pulling their last straw connecting them to this world in that kind of disaster. You never stop looking.

Two, I heard about people getting out and directing traffic and helping with rescues, so more rescue personnel and law enforcement could get down to the business of saving lives. Good stuff. Way to go.

Three, take a look at the road map of Minnesota. If Minnesota traffic were the human circulatory system, highway 35 looks like its aorta. The way I see it, this disaster has huge potential long term implications for traffic all over the state's major highway systems.

It's a pity that our infrastructure has such problems. A poorly designed bridge. A poorly maintained bridge. And a single blocked road that could potentially paralyze not only interstate traffic, but internal routes all over the state.

What a mess. If you spend the money for backup routes and to make the roads right to begin with (put supports under the bridge over the friggin water, for crying out loud!), it costs less than what they've got coming now.

What's this have to do with Recidiva being a racist or portly naked women?

 

[phrodeau]

Don't they have to do an environmental study first? Perhaps some rare fish likes the habitat created by the bridge sections that collapsed into the water.

I'm sure you can appreciate the importance of bottom-feeders.

 

[Ham Murabi]

And this is Minnesota just wait until the DNR gets involved! You have no idea how accurate that statement may prove to be.

I seldom underestimate the stupidity of government bureaucrats.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

I seldom underestimate the stupidity of government bureaucrats.

Bureaucracy flows like wine in the land of 10,000 lakes and faulty bridges.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Don't they have to do an environmental study first? Perhaps some rare fish likes the habitat created by the bridge sections that collapsed into the water.

No fucking way. Pave the planet. Pave them all and let Al Gore sort 'em out.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

KARE11 reported 100,000 and my Dad thinks that is a seriously low estimate. He read a report a few weeks ago pertaining to the real estate market and how it is effected by changing traffic patterns that estimated 175,000 20 years ago so you can imagine how much that number has grown since.

I didnt want to drive through there this morning i sure as hell have no desire to now. Its a mess.

So why don't they put one of those wire things down and see how many bunches of tires roll over that sucker?

 

[KinkyDaisy]

So why don't they put one of those wire things down and see how many bunches of tires roll over that sucker?

Because theres no bridge, duh!

 

[JBCorbell]

I can see it now.

The people that want massive failsafe and redundant systems are usually the first ones to whine and yip about their taxes going up.

 

[marshalt]

When a city is going to build a freeway system, they take civil engineers to minneapolis and show them how NOT to do it...

 

[MorgaineLaFay]

I saw this on the news the second it happened, yet waited.
Minnesota, the grid, what grid really, was designed by Irish men.

Enough said.

 

[KinkyDaisy]

I saw this on the news the second it happened, yet waited.
Minnesota, the grid, what grid really, was designed by Irish men.

Enough said.

Jesse Ventura .. is that you?

 

[JBCorbell]

When a city is going to build a freeway system, they take civil engineers to minneapolis and show them how NOT to do it...

And what if the problem was faulty construction, not design?