Snowden charged with espionage for exposing NSA spying on public

[Sean Renaud]

No, it supersedes our rights and changes them into privileges granted by government.

That's all they ever were flowery language and rah rahs aside.

Yep, and as long as they're in place, presidents are gonna use them.

Power corrupts, and all that.

If power corrupts we must have done a fantastic job electing our Presidents since even by the strictest standards maybe one or two were truly corrupt. I think that's just one of those things people say and nobody questions.

 

[mercury14]

That doesn't make it right.......

It means it's Constitutional. Whether it's right or wrong is opinion but these people saying that the Patriot Act violates out constitutional rights (Ruse and company) are just plain wrong.

 

[Liar]

Well, that went just peachy.

Snowden 'departs Hong Kong for Moscow'

Hong Kong says NSA whistle-blower was allowed to leave because US extradition request did not fully comply with the law.

Former US intelligence technician Edward Snowden departed Hong Kong and is heading to a third destination through "legal" means, the local government confirmed.

"Snowden today voluntarily left Hong Kong for a third country through legal and normal means," a Hong Kong government spokesman said in a press statement.

The statement added that Hong Kong had "not obtained adequate information" to handle a provisional arrest warrant for Snowden issued by the US.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/06/2013623852190647.html

 

[Byron In Exile]

Well, that went just peachy.

Snowden 'departs Hong Kong for Moscow'

Hong Kong says NSA whistle-blower was allowed to leave because US extradition request did not fully comply with the law.

Former US intelligence technician Edward Snowden departed Hong Kong and is heading to a third destination through "legal" means, the local government confirmed.

"Snowden today voluntarily left Hong Kong for a third country through legal and normal means," a Hong Kong government spokesman said in a press statement.

The statement added that Hong Kong had "not obtained adequate information" to handle a provisional arrest warrant for Snowden issued by the US.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-p...852190647.html

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/byroninexile/steamloller.gif

 

[mercury14]

Snowden ran off to the Chinese and Russians to spill classified US intelligence operations.

Why would he not be prosecuted? What kind of precedent should we set for this kind of thing?

 

[butters]

Well, that went just peachy.

i liked this part:

Snowden's reported departure came despite a US arrest warrant and extradition request to authorities in Hong Kong, where he arrived on May 20.

The government statement said Hong Kong had written to the US "requesting clarification" of earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies.

China's Xinhua news agency, referring to Snowden's accusations about the hacking of Chinese targets, said they were "clearly troubling signs".

It added: "They demonstrate that the United States, which has long been trying to play innocent as a victim of cyber attacks, has turned out to be the biggest villain in our age."

 

[Busybody]

Some

seem

to have

forgotten

what they SCREECHED

2001-2008

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[Busybody]

“In the new world of the NSA, the only secret left is Barack Obama’s college grades.”

 

[pete]

I never liked the Patriot Act, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.

Both reeked of the beginning of a police state.

The term Homeland reminds me of another term, Fatherland.

Homeland Security reminds me of the Gestapo.

omg
FFS, find your sac, bro

 

[pete]

Snowden ran off to the Chinese and Russians to spill classified US intelligence operations.

Why would he not be prosecuted? What kind of precedent should we set for this kind of thing?

^^^^
this

 

[Liar]

Snowden ran off to the Chinese and Russians to spill classified US intelligence operations.

Why would he not be prosecuted? What kind of precedent should we set for this kind of thing?

Not saying he shouldn't. But they seem to be royally flubbing the actual execution thereof.

 

[phrodeau]

i liked this part:

They just want some hacking tips and crackz.

 

[jeninflorida]

it sucks that the obama lovers are exposed to the truth that the obama is a liar

 

[BotanyBoy]

omg
FFS, find your sac, bro

Fabulous....another police state worshiper....

 

[Squibbs]

Fabulous....another police state worshiper....

That guy is an idiot.

Just another RW assbag.

 

[jeninflorida]

That guy is an idiot.

Just another RW assbag.

sounds like you are looking in the mirror

when you look in the mirror, what do you see?
why does your own reflection anger you?

when did your parents divorce?
did your father ever spend quality time with you?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Snowden ran off to the Chinese and Russians to spill classified US intelligence operations.

Why would he not be prosecuted? What kind of precedent should we set for this kind of thing?

As a society, we are truly schizophrenic when we try to reconcile political policy with our moral values.

When a CIA employee like Aldrich Ames sells secrets to an enemy foreign government we rightfully charge him as a traitor and throw him in jail where he belongs. When an Edward Snowden GIVES secrets to a magazine or newspaper as the basis for a story, we hail him as a “whistleblower.”

But the damaging fact is true in both cases. The information is compromised and instantly available to our enemies. Pretending that such enemies don’t exist or that the revelation of classified information has only minimal damaging impact deflects us from the most important question of discussion. Namely, do we, as a self-governing democratic republic, have the legal and moral authority to create LAWFUL intelligence and military capabilities that rely on secret plans, weapons and technology? If so, do we further have the right to expect this same legal and moral authority as exercised by a majority of our elected representatives shall not be usurped by a disenchanted minority, no matter how well intentioned?

Like you, I happen to believe we do and that people who betray that right should be prosecuted under the law.

 

[Shagly]

Snowden shall be living in Cuba soon.

 

[run_silent]

It means it's Constitutional. Whether it's right or wrong is opinion but these people saying that the Patriot Act violates out constitutional rights (Ruse and company) are just plain wrong.

I must admit that I am surprised of your opinion on this issue. That's it's just plain OK and no need to think about moral or ethical issues. You never struck me as a founding fathers strict constitution guy.

 

[mercury14]

I must admit that I am surprised of your opinion on this issue. That's it's just plain OK and no need to think about moral or ethical issues. You never struck me as a founding fathers strict constitution guy.

I didn't say that there's no need to think about morals or ethics. I said that when someone runs off to China and/or Russia to leak classified military intelligence that they ought to be prosecuted. There's no place for feelings or subjective morality, it's just high felony.

Likewise when someone commits murder they're not allowed to go without charges just because a certain amount of public opinion supports their actions.

If you want to discuss morality or ethics then sit down and have a chat about it or write your congressman. Or write Wired Magazine.

 

[Busybody]

I must admit that I am surprised of your opinion on this issue. That's it's just plain OK and no need to think about moral or ethical issues. You never struck me as a founding fathers strict constitution guy.

you miss the point

 

[KingOrfeo]

We survived World Wars I and II and the Cold War threat without the need for the government to violate our Constitutional right.

See the First Red Scare (1919-21), the Palmer Raids, the Espionage Act of 1917, the Smith Act (1940), the Smith Act Trials (1949-58), COINTELPRO (1956-71), and HUAC (1938-1975).

 

[pete]

Fabulous....another police state worshiper....

*worshipper

i'm not a fan of a police state, but then again i'm not the type to start dropping chunks of masonry out of my ass just because 'homeland' and 'fatherland' sound similar and therefore according to some must be a signal of the end of freedom

That guy is an idiot. Just another RW assbag.

i disagree with republicans all the time, but if compartmentalizing me helps you sleep better at night then you do what you gotta do

 

[Liar]

I didn't say that there's no need to think about morals or ethics. I said that when someone runs off to China and/or Russia to leak classified military intelligence that they ought to be prosecuted. There's no place for feelings or subjective morality, it's just high felony.

Likewise when someone commits murder they're not allowed to go without charges just because a certain amount of public opinion supports their actions.

If you want to discuss morality or ethics then sit down and have a chat about it or write your congressman. Or write Wired Magazine.

The thing is, sitting down and having a nice chat does sod all most of the time. the way to make the people who decide what's legal change what you think is a bad law or practice allowed by flawed law, is to make a big stink about it in the court of public opinion. When the practice is classified, what are the options except making a big illegal stink about it?

 

[pete]

The thing is, sitting down and having a nice chat does sod all most of the time. the way to make the people who decide what's legal change what you think is a bad law or practice allowed by flawed law, is to make a big stink about it in the court of public opinion. When the practice is classified, what are the options except making a big illegal stink about it?

that's the ONLY option, is it?