SHOCK REPORT! U.S. Government in Possession of several UFOs (Intact and Partially Intact)

[Bray123]

I think I get it now.
The fact that there is no evidence available for forced landings of alien craft proves that there have been forced landings of alien craft.

This is like a replay of 'The election was stolen; we know this because we have no evidence'.

 

[BluesDriver66]

I think I get it now.
The fact that there is no evidence available for forced landings of alien craft proves that there have been forced landings of alien craft.

This is like a replay of 'The election was stolen; we know this because we have no evidence'.

Who claimed to have proof of forced landings? Who is the straw man you're arguing with?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What investigative reporters and whistleblowers report versus confirmations from government agencies are not considered the same. Most people understand the difference.

The government hasn’t confirmed what you’re claiming they have.

 

[Bray123]

Who claimed to have proof of forced landings? Who is the straw man you're arguing with?

Headline from your original thread starter:

Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin​

But I didn't say 'proof', I said 'evidence'. Of which there is nothing. But if the Government were to ask the Government for sight of some of those 'retrieved craft' and then show us, then we would have some.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
Eric Hoffer

A lot of what he writes about in this collection of essays is applicable to the Cult of UFO.



When it comes to Cults, make mine Blue Oyster...

 

[butters]

Hundsness on why people believe in conspiracy theories:

there are four reasons why people believe conspiracies: Lack of information, anxiety, following an in-group and ego. He clarified that each of these reasons is based on Karen Douglas' (et al.) Psychology of Conspiracy Theories (which covers three of them) and Roland Imhoff's (et al.) research article (which covers the last one) and are applicable in different scenarios. Hundsness also focused on ego the most as he believes it's the biggest factor at play when it comes to conspiracy theorists.

One, is when there's a lack of information, a conspiracy theory fills in that missing gap of knowledge. Two, is when something causes anxiety, a conspiracy theory helps you predict where that threat is coming from, so it doesn't feel so random."
"Three, is wanting to follow your in-group. So if your political party or whatever believes a conspiracy, then you are more likely to believe it.

And the fourth reason is ego," Hundsness explains. "People who believe conspiracy theories believe they are in a special group of independent thinkers who know the truth. They think they have a superior knowledge while the majority of people are just sheep who are foolishly gullible and easily manipulated, and who wouldn't want to feel special. Let's start with an easy example. Imagine someone who wasn't particularly successful in school or their career. So deep down, their ego feels inferior. But if they believe the conspiracy theories, well, now they feel like they're smarter than most others, and a small group of people tell them so."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...31&cvid=7e796b0c93104e99bb58f61d0e79b6e4&ei=8

 

[BluesDriver66]

Hundsness on why people believe in conspiracy theories:





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...31&cvid=7e796b0c93104e99bb58f61d0e79b6e4&ei=8

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Denialism​

In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.[1] Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality.[2]

In the sciences, denialism is the rejection of basic facts and concepts that are undisputed, well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a subject, in favor of ideas that are radical, controversial, or fabricated.[3] The terms Holocaust denial and AIDS denialism describe the denial of the facts and the reality of the subject matters,[4] and the term climate change denial describes denial of the scientific consensus that the climate change of planet Earth is a real and occurring event primarily caused in geologically recent times by human activity.[5] The forms of denialism present the common feature of the person rejecting overwhelming evidence and trying to generate political controversy in attempts to deny the existence of consensus.[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism

 

[BluesDriver66]

Headline from your original thread starter:

Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin​

But I didn't say 'proof', I said 'evidence'. Of which there is nothing. But if the Government were to ask the Government for sight of some of those 'retrieved craft' and then show us, then we would have some.

There is tons of evidence. Testimony is evidence and has always been evidence. You can't change the definitions of words to fit your narrative. There is no court or governmental body in the free world where testimony is not considered evidence.

 

[butters]

gosh, i think bluesdriver may just have had an epiphany about his denialism... oops, probably not: it's empirically more realistic (via general consensus) that he's willing to deny that those best educated to determine the truth about UFOs—with the help of the best data analysts, techies, researchers, aeronautical engineers, mathematicians, scientists from various disciplines, other agencies, all domain access, facilities, funding and more—are better informed about the realities of this investigation than the likes of burchett, mtg, airline pilots, aeronauts operating under high stress, Ufologists et al with their cameras, lack of knowledge, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of data.

Yes, people see what they see, but their interpretation of what they see is based on a dearth of comprehension and information.

 

[Bray123]

There is tons of evidence. Testimony is evidence and has always been evidence. You can't change the definitions of words to fit your narrative. There is no court or governmental body in the free world where testimony is not considered evidence.

Yes, you said that the Government has the recovered craft. Yet the Government spends billions on programs where the aim is to find any evidence of extra-terrestrial life. Don't you see that is silly?

Sillier even than someone sitting on a hillside overlooking a Californian military base and reporting that they've seen a space craft landing.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yes, you said that the Government has the recovered craft. Yet the Government spends billions on programs where the aim is to find any evidence of extra-terrestrial life. Don't you see that is silly?

Sillier even than someone sitting on a hillside overlooking a Californian military base and reporting that they've seen a space craft landing.

No. I said a highly decorated intelligence officer says the government has recovered non-human vehicles. United States Senators and Congress persons are taking his claims very seriously. Your characterization of anything UAP/UFO related as some kind silly joke is ignorant. These are serious national security issues and are being treated as such.

 

[BluesDriver66]

gosh, i think bluesdriver may just have had an epiphany about his denialism... oops, probably not: it's empirically more realistic (via general consensus) that he's willing to deny that those best educated to determine the truth about UFOs—with the help of the best data analysts, techies, researchers, aeronautical engineers, mathematicians, scientists from various disciplines, other agencies, all domain access, facilities, funding and more—are better informed about the realities of this investigation than the likes of burchett, mtg, airline pilots, aeronauts operating under high stress, Ufologists et al with their cameras, lack of knowledge, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of data.

Yes, people see what they see, but their interpretation of what they see is based on a dearth of comprehension and information.

Where is your evidence? Do you have any evidence at all that these jet fighter pilots reports are false? Do you have any evidence that these pilots are suffering from anything that would affect their ability to perform their duties including recognizing objects in their work environment? No you do not. Not one shred of evidence. People have suffered all sorts of maladies since the beginning of time. The notion since paranoid schizophrenia is a thing you can accuse anyone of having it without presenting any evidence is absurd.

Wild and broad generalizations of incompetence or mental illness by highly trained military personnel without one shred of evidence is disrespectful to the men and women who put their lives on the line everyday for your freedom.

 

[butters]

bluesdriver is resorting to ascription. he's still not accepted i'm not discussing this topic with him, bless.

 

[butters]

just because you can see, AND take photos of, two suns in the sky at the same time doesn't actually mean that the earth has suddenly attracted a new one or the old one's split in two

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=6c12672c32da467fa9bfa80fbce343c6&ei=187

 

[BluesDriver66]

bluesdriver is resorting to ascription. he's still not accepted i'm not discussing this topic with him, bless.

Just a reminder...the investigations in the Senate and Congress are bi-partisan. Both Democrats and Republicans. You seem to want to leave the impression that this is an exclusively right wing affair by mentioning the insane ramblings of MTG, like she is a central figure in the investigations. She is not.

Just be open and honest about what's happening. Quoting out of context comments and selective editing of articles to create false impressions is misleading and dishonest.

 

[BluesDriver66]

just because you can see, AND take photos of, two suns in the sky at the same time doesn't actually mean that the earth has suddenly attracted a new one or the old one's split in two

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=6c12672c32da467fa9bfa80fbce343c6&ei=187

So you're comparing some random guy riding his bike taking a still picture of an optical illusion to the expert testimony of multiple highly trained jet fighter pilots, their multiple sensor confirmations, in addition to their officially released video tape recordings from the the U.S. Navy and Pentagon? This is your evidence? Some completely unrelated incident that has absolutely nothing to do with the current national security issues being investigated by both the U.S. Senate and Congress?

This is the kind of "evidence" that would be laughed out of any court or any serious official proceeding.

 

[Bray123]

No. I said a highly decorated intelligence officer says the government has recovered non-human vehicles. United States Senators and Congress persons are taking his claims very seriously. Your characterization of anything UAP/UFO related as some kind silly joke is ignorant. These are national security issues.

So why doesn't NASA inspect these 'vehicles' and save a chunk of money?

 

[BluesDriver66]

So why doesn't NASA inspect these 'vehicles' and save a chunk of money?

Exactly the point. If there is some cabal inside or adjacent to the U.S. government that is with holding technology beneficial to the tax paying public it should be subject to oversight by our elected representatives. That's why members of both houses of congress of both parties are investigating.

 

[butters]

lol

cabal

lol

 

[BluesDriver66]

lol

cabal

lol

"Cabal" describes perfectly what is going here. A small group of unelected people in the Pentagon are working against representatives of our duly elected government to withhold information and block the oversight of their operations. This is blatantly undemocratic and should raise red flags and concerns from any and every tax paying and freedom loving American.

For your convenience I have included the standard definition of cabal and an article ripped from today's headlines to help you understand.

cabal [ kuh-bal ]​

noun

1. a small group of secret plotters, as against a government or person in authority.
2. the plots and schemes of such a group; intrigue.
3. a clique, as in artistic, literary, or theatrical circles.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cabal

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Pentagon blocks lawmakers from UFO data ahead of UAP hearing ​

• GOP: Pentagon, Air Force blocked lawmakers from seeing images, data on UFOs
• Burchett: "This is why no one trusts the government"
• WH: Takes UFO issue seriously; will always be transparent with Congress

WASHINGTON (NewsNation) — Ahead of the House Oversight Committee hearing on UAPs this Wednesday, more lawmakers continue to demand answers on what the federal government knows about unidentified aerial phenomena and possible threats to national security.


A small group of Republicans says the Pentagon and Air Force recently blocked lawmakers from seeing images and information about UFOs as well as from reading testimony about seeing possible alien aircraft from witnesses, two of whom spoke with NewsNation directly.


Rep. Tim Burchett, R- Tenn., will lead Wednesday’s hearing, claiming that during a recent trip to Eglin Air Force base in Florida, he and other lawmakers expected to be part of a briefing on UFOs that allegedly was blocked by the Pentagon and other military leaders.


Staff at the base refused to answer questions brought up by whistleblowers who will testify at the hearing this week.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/pentagon-blocks-lawmakers-ufo-data-uap-hearing/

 

[butters]

cabal

lol

 

[BluesDriver66]

cabal

lol

Good thing for our national security that Democratic Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer doesn't share your lackadaisical concern over Constitutional required civilian control of our military and the rights of citizens to know how their tax dollars are spent.

Chuck Schumer Wants You to Know More About UFOs​

Senator Chuck Schumer announced Thursday night that he has introduced a bipartisan bill to declassify more UFO reports. The legislation, tacked on to the annual defense policy bill, would establish a commission to declassify docs on UFOs and purported extraterrestrial run-ins.

...it would require the president to appoint a nine-person board, subject to Senate confirmation, which would then choose what to declassify and what to keep secret. Schumer, who said that he wants to “carry on the legacy of my mentor” and UFO obsessive Harry Reid, has modeled the bill after the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, the 1992 legislation that required the public disclosure of documents related to the assassination that launched a zillion conspiracy theories. The UFO provision has notable Republican support from Senators Mike Rounds and Marco Rubio, who is a longtime booster of the issue.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/chuck-schumer-wants-you-to-know-more-about-ufos.html

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Blues, Machiavelli pointed out centuries ago the major flaw with conspiracies (cabals) in that they are comprised of a group of malcontents each of which by disclosure possesses the means to be contented.

Someone would have produced actual evidence by now just to reap the reward/accolades.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Blues, Machiavelli pointed out centuries ago the major flaw with conspiracies (cabals) in that they are comprised of a group of malcontents each of which by disclosure possesses the means to be contented.

Someone would have produced actual evidence by now just to reap the reward/accolades.

And then there is ...

The term SNITCHES GET STITCHES is an idiomatic term which simply means people who tell on you (snitch) with have to face the repercussions (stitches) . It originated within the gang world where if one of their members become police informants or teamed up with a rival group then that's what would happen to them .

 

[VinnyVeritas]

All we have from your side of the debate is rhetoric and "you have to trust me, it's there."

Someone would have come up with at least a purloined picture by now.
No security in the history of man has ever been that airtight.

There's always an inside guy. We'll always have Lufthansa...