Shame.

[Stormfang]

It's a shame that so many of those who protest the war are so spiteful that they refuse to express any kind of support for those troops that are now fighting and risking their lives.

Yes, you have the right to be against a war in Iraq. But the men and women who serve this nation and valiantly fight on our behalf do not deserve your contempt.

Support them, even while you question their orders. They are the reason you have the right to speak out.

 

[Linedrive]

Well said

 

[SuprSalor]

Well said

Yep

 

[Lost Cause]

Absolutely!

To a speedy end to the conflict, and the safe return to us!

www.defendamerica.mil/nman.html

http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/MessageSend.html

Remember the 6 Marines lost:

 

[HeavyStick]

The peaceniks fell asleep high and stupid from extasy.

Make sure someone bumps this in the morning.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Well said Stormfang.

Supporting the troops can take a lot of forms...and it's painless.

 

[Guest]

Very well said. No one wanted war, but now that our troops are over there, support the Hell out of them!

 

[curious2c]

as it has been said already I will just add...I defend their right to protest as do those who are over in Iraq, Bosnia, and other places far from home...Please remember why they have that right still.

 

[MsMuffet]

Stormfang, will you be ruler of my dreams tonight?

There is something about those rosy cheeks, that strong jawline, and your wise words... makes me tremble (in a good way). You have Pillow Warrior written all over your face.

 

[Stormfang]

Stormfang, will you be ruler of my dreams tonight?

There is something about those rosy cheeks, that strong jawline, and your wise words... makes me tremble (in a good way). You have Pillow Warrior written all over your face.

I didn't have rosy cheeks until you made me blush, Ms. Muffett.

 

[MsMuffet]

I didn't have rosy cheeks until you made me blush, Ms. Muffett.

I take that as "affirmative" then?

 

[Hello_Kitten]

The peaceniks fell asleep high and stupid from extasy.

Make sure someone bumps this in the morning.

Funny, ecstasy always keeps me awake.

I'm strongly against the war, how does mean I'm not supporting the troops there? I think the greatest support I can show is protesting the war. I don't want them there, I don't want any of them to die. I grew up in the married, was married to the military, I'm 110% behind them. I do not support the decisions my government has made in regard to attacking Iraq - there is a big difference between that and not supporting the troops.

 

[Guest]

I wasn't anti war but I wasn't pro war I can see both sides but since the war has started I support the troops over there

since my son is in Kuwait/Iraq

I don't know where he is right now but I worry about him

 

[Gusty Wind]

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[Stormfang]

Funny, ecstasy always keeps me awake.

I'm strongly against the war, how does mean I'm not supporting the troops there? I think the greatest support I can show is protesting the war. I don't want them there, I don't want any of them to die. I grew up in the married, was married to the military, I'm 110% behind them. I do not support the decisions my government has made in regard to attacking Iraq - there is a big difference between that and not supporting the troops.

I think you are misunderstanding, Kitten.

I am not saying that you cannot support our troops and protest the war at the same time. There are many who do.

However, there are those that refuse to support our troops out of some misguided sense of moral superiority. Take, for instance, the 11 members of Congress who refused to vote "yes" on a recent, non-binding resolution supporting our troops in the Iraqi theatre.

It is the selfish demeanor of men and women like these that upsets me, not the obviously supportive and caring words of people like yourself.

 

[Gusty Wind]

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[Hello_Kitten]

I think you are misunderstanding, Kitten.

I am not saying that you cannot support our troops and protest the war at the same time. There are many who do.

However, there are those that refuse to support our troops out of some misguided sense of moral superiority. Take, for instance, the 11 members of Congress who refused to vote "yes" on a recent, non-binding resolution supporting our troops in the Iraqi theatre.

It is the selfish demeanor of men and women like these that upsets me, not the obviously supportive and caring words of people like yourself.

Sorry, I didn't make it to sound as if I was attacking your statements. I didn't even mean that you were saying people who are anti-war couldn’t be pro-troops. I was just reading through the threads, talking with people today, and am in a worked up mood. Chose this thread to spout my shit. [lucky you ] I do know a girl who is very anti-war and also thinks everyone in the military is a brain-washed killing machine, doesn't see them as heroes, they choose to be there, just doing there job as is the 'woman at Costcutters.' [her exact comparison there] She doesn't understand my stance at all - how I can be so against the war and still supportive of the troops. Soooo....I think I had a point to all this but it's escaped me. Too much ecstasy I suppose.

 

[Somme]

I think you are misunderstanding, Kitten.

I am not saying that you cannot support our troops and protest the war at the same time. There are many who do.

However, there are those that refuse to support our troops out of some misguided sense of moral superiority. Take, for instance, the 11 members of Congress who refused to vote "yes" on a recent, non-binding resolution supporting our troops in the Iraqi theatre.

It is the selfish demeanor of men and women like these that upsets me, not the obviously supportive and caring words of people like yourself.

Storm, I take issue with your second assertion on 'misguided sense of moral superiority.' Why do you say this?
In your last comment, you call them selfish. Is this because you believe that they were 'morally obliged' to support the war?

 

[Stormfang]

Storm, I take issue with your second assertion on 'misguided sense of moral superiority.' Why do you say this?
In your last comment, you call them selfish. Is this because you believe that they were 'morally obliged' to support the war?

You may take issue with whatever you like. That is your right.

I say a "misguided sense of moral superiority" because so many of these people consider themselves to be in the moral right by refusing so support the troops that are carrying out the war they are so vehemently against.

It seems as if you are deliberately trying to twist my words around. My entire post was about supporting our troops even if you decry the war. Nowhere did I state, infer, or imply that anyone is morally obliged to support this war.

You are, however, obliged to support our troops if you are American. The freedoms you have, the rights you hold so dear, and the privelege of living in a nation filled with people that can express themselves freely is kept this way by the men and women in our Armed Forces. By supporting them, you acknowledge the debt owed them and those that fought and died before.

By denying your support of our military, you perform the most terrible hypocrisy of all.

I will state it again, since I obviously was not as succinct as I should have been: You can protest the war and support our troops at the same time without compromising either.

 

[Alyx]

While I happen to agree that one can support our troops while protesting the war, I wanted to point out something. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that one is “obligated to support our troops if you are an American”. I personally find Americans who would spit on, harass, insult or bash our troops repugnant. While it’s true that those in military service did volunteer, an important distinction that should be made is: THEY DID NOT VOLUNTEER FOR WAR IN IRAQ, or any war, for that matter.

For many of our troops, the military is a good way to pay for a college education. With education loans and grants being slashed left and right, the military has always been a good option to further one’s education.

As far as the protests are concerned, I would invite all of those who are saying that that U.S. is “cracking down” on protesters, to READ the First Amendment. It states:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

Do I need to point it out? I thought it was obvious myself. The key to your right to protest is the word PEACEABLY. When you cause damage, become violent, or block roads, you are no longer PEACEABLY ASSEMBLED, and hence, open to arrest.

So, by all means, assemble your protesters. March in peaceful assembly to express your opinions as is your right under the First Amendment. I may not join you, but I will always support your right to do so, AS OUR TROOPS DO. But do NOT block traffic, do NOT become violent and do NOT cause damage. If you do, you’ll have first hand experience with the booking process, and no sympathy from me.

And from one American to another, I would ask you to please support our troops. They did not ASK to go to Iraq and fight. They were ORDERED to. Please keep that in mind while you exercise your First Amendment right to protest.

~Alyx~

 

[Somme]

You may take issue with whatever you like. That is your right.

I say a "misguided sense of moral superiority" because so many of these people consider themselves to be in the moral right by refusing so support the troops that are carrying out the war they are so vehemently against.

It seems as if you are deliberately trying to twist my words around. My entire post was about supporting our troops even if you decry the war. Nowhere did I state, infer, or imply that anyone is morally obliged to support this war.

You are, however, obliged to support our troops if you are American. The freedoms you have, the rights you hold so dear, and the privelege of living in a nation filled with people that can express themselves freely is kept this way by the men and women in our Armed Forces. By supporting them, you acknowledge the debt owed them and those that fought and died before.

By denying your support of our military, you perform the most terrible hypocrisy of all.

I will state it again, since I obviously was not as succinct as I should have been: You can protest the war and support our troops at the same time without compromising either.

I'm not an American. Your troops have been used to start a war under false pretences by the melagomaniacs in Washington. I have come to the conclusion that the world has been fed a diet of lies by this present administration; is it any wonder that I cannot support either this war or the reasons that purportedly made it right? I owe no debt EXCEPT to try - despite the odds - of getting to the bottom of why Cheyney, Rumsfeld and co have been behaving as they have.

 

[bknight2602]

For the troops.

 

[Cheyenne]

I wasn't anti war but I wasn't pro war I can see both sides but since the war has started I support the troops over there

since my son is in Kuwait/Iraq

I don't know where he is right now but I worry about him

I may be on vacation but my bullshit radar still works well.

So, which is the lie? The date you gave as the age you lost your virginity? The age of your children? The fact that you even HAVE any children?

This borders on being just as bad as Always' lie about her brother being buried in the rubble of the WTC and being "found" days later. Hey, you aren't really Always brought back to life under a different nickname, are you? It would explain a lot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

...However, there are those that refuse to support our troops out of some misguided sense of moral superiority. Take, for instance, the 11 members of Congress who refused to vote "yes" on a recent, non-binding resolution supporting our troops in the Iraqi theatre.

It is the selfish demeanor of men and women like these that upsets me, not the obviously supportive and caring words of people like yourself.

I've got to take issue with you on this. My understanding is that the 11 who voted against this resolution (as well as the 22 who voted "present") strenuously objected to a single line in the resolution expressing "unequivocal support" for President Bush "for his firm leadership and decisive action in the conduct of military operations in Iraq."

I personally admire the courage of Washington Rep. Jim McDermott who had the political courage to state "I for one will not be forced to praise the president's decisions"

Look, I think 99% of the United States WANTS to support the troops.

Its the Republican house who cravenly attempt to link support for the troops with support for the President's policies.

 

[peachykeen]

I don't know of any persons who are against the war that are against the troops. Everyone I speak to seems to have a good understanding of the fact that for the men and women in uniform, they are doing the job that they obligated themselves to do when they enlisted. Where have you heard of protestors who have issues with the individual soldiers? I have heard no such thing in any of the coverage I have watched/read.