Shame

Quint

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Such a powerful tool. From the giddy exhilaration of doing something traditionally known as "taboo" or "forbidden" to the deep cringing horror from public humiliation, shame ranks very high to quite a few of us on the list of Arousal-Inducing Emotions.

I personally fall into all sorts of categories with shame. Although I realize that the majority of this crew puts humiliation as a hard limit, I thrive on it. Verbal degradation, face slapping, other physical gestures of contempt--love it. And yet...I have all sorts of things that should be degrading but aren't, and silly things that I tell myself I should get over but can't.

Assfucking has never been dirty or illicit to me. I am almost 100% comfortable being nude in front of my partner, even if he is completely clothed.

Yet I can't even bring myself to say "asshole," let alone to natural processes resulting there. God forbid he plays stupid when I ask to use the restroom--I honestly have no idea how I would react. I think that's the "bad" shame, but then again it's something I'd really like to overcome. Biological functions, blah blah blah. Shouldn't be so damned difficult for me to deal with, because, y'know, shit happens.

Even on a non-sexual level, there is good shame and there is bad shame. I could dress like a slut and flaunt it; ask me to dress in tacky, nonmatching clothes and I would absolutely shrivel up.

What's goin on? How do you use shame or embarrassment or discomfort to either establish a greater level of trust in your partner or to arouse them by the very fact that the shame is there? Where is the "good" shame and where is the "bad" shame for you?
 
I think the point of using shame or humiliation in BDSM is that it lets you touch on those taboo things in a safe way. You dont want to say asshole, but yeah really you do, dont you, just at least to be able to think Oh, I pushed past a taboo.
And with things you do, thats more powerful. Its two things I think. Its #1 being able to think OK, I did that for HIM, so you feel you really gave something. And #2 Just the idea that you flaunted a "bad thing" is a turn on. You can think Oh Im such a seula being I do what others only fantasize.

Anyway, its all good, baby, dont worry if others dont share it. You found a man who digs it, so you good to go.
 
Quint said:
Such a powerful tool. From the giddy exhilaration of doing something traditionally known as "taboo" or "forbidden" to the deep cringing horror from public humiliation, shame ranks very high to quite a few of us on the list of Arousal-Inducing Emotions.

I personally fall into all sorts of categories with shame. Although I realize that the majority of this crew puts humiliation as a hard limit, I thrive on it. Verbal degradation, face slapping, other physical gestures of contempt--love it. And yet...I have all sorts of things that should be degrading but aren't, and silly things that I tell myself I should get over but can't.

Assfucking has never been dirty or illicit to me. I am almost 100% comfortable being nude in front of my partner, even if he is completely clothed.

Yet I can't even bring myself to say "asshole," let alone to natural processes resulting there. God forbid he plays stupid when I ask to use the restroom--I honestly have no idea how I would react. I think that's the "bad" shame, but then again it's something I'd really like to overcome. Biological functions, blah blah blah. Shouldn't be so damned difficult for me to deal with, because, y'know, shit happens.

Even on a non-sexual level, there is good shame and there is bad shame. I could dress like a slut and flaunt it; ask me to dress in tacky, nonmatching clothes and I would absolutely shrivel up.

What's goin on? How do you use shame or embarrassment or discomfort to either establish a greater level of trust in your partner or to arouse them by the very fact that the shame is there? Where is the "good" shame and where is the "bad" shame for you?


I agree, Quint, it is a powerful force. If you have read any of my posts about my expereinces subbing in M/M situations, you know it is something that I have some amount of experience with.
My take on it is most approximate to MzChrista #2, that it gives me a feeling of hyper-sexuality, in that I feel I am pushing a boundary that most people would never go near.
And I understand your differentiation of good vs. bad shame. In particular, in this context, I will give you an example. My Master would sometimes order me to give sexual service to multiple party guests. Doing so would give me that feeling of "good shame". If one of them was to complain that I had done a poor job, I would experience "bad shame".
 
Totally. I'd also add a third reason, or perhaps just a condition: I want to be PUSHED into breaking these mental limits, and I want him to be the pusher. Lots of the time they are things that I could easily go through life without testing; at no point in my career or family life do I really think I'm going to have to find a word for "anus" that doesn't make me hesitate and cringe, for example. But I want to break through that, and if that involves a shove from behind, fine.

It's not just about the dirty, though. Tonight we were talking about being put on display, and he mentioned making me recite or sing something, just because he could. That's a barrier of a totally different sort, and would call all sorts of self-consciousness into play. And that too I want to break through and emerge from.

Then I have to wonder about how feeble it is to need somebody's hand to guide me through what sounds suspiciously like Growing Up. *smack upside the forehead*
 
(What's goin on? How do you use shame or embarrassment or discomfort to either establish a greater level of trust in your partner or to arouse them by the very fact that the shame is there? Where is the "good" shame and where is the "bad" shame for you?)

When My slave is dripping pre cum through the chastity belt because I have been tormenting him with edge training and My Bitch Domme mode he feels shame and embarrassment in a good way. A way that turns him on.

When I asked him to dress in a manner that ridiculed him and perform musically in a way that betrayed his artistic credibility (in his own mind) it became an unbearable shame.*bad shame*

I as his Dominant must learn which are the good and bad buttons to push as I help him to over come as much as he can to endure all I will ask of him.
 
I have noticed

a lot things embarrass sissy cause he comes from a very reserved, cold family. Any display of feeling is almost an embarrassment. As for shame, I think he has a lot of that inside of him. I am just trying to unlock some of it.

As for bad shame, I try to steer clear of that. He has enough in his past, so I do not want to add to it.

Eb
 
good/bad

I have no r/l experience with D/s, but quite alot of experience with public/private humiliation...

Things like being yelled at in public for being a bad waitress...being called names by customers...being slapped in public alot when i was younger if i said something out of line...thos to me are Humiliation...and Bad shame...and for me would be a hard limit...

However...being asked questions in a public place that required me to talk about something *dirty*...or being asked to service my partner with my hand under a table at a restaurant...i would find all of these things very Embarrasing...and also very Arousing

btw...Ebonyfire...i really was touched by the caring evident in the way you treat your sub...your post up there about not wanting to give him *bad shame*...that was great

*goes back to watching quietly*
 
Re: good/bad

confused20 said:
btw...Ebonyfire...i really was touched by the caring evident in the way you treat your sub...your post up there about not wanting to give him *bad shame*...that was great

I cannot go into details, but believe me, he has enough shame on his on. I do not need to add to it. I am trying to help him deal with it. It is a slow, and distressing thing. He copes pretty well.

Eb
 
Re: I have noticed

Ebonyfire said:
a lot things embarrass sissy cause he comes from a very reserved, cold family. Any display of feeling is almost an embarrassment. As for shame, I think he has a lot of that inside of him. I am just trying to unlock some of it.

As for bad shame, I try to steer clear of that. He has enough in his past, so I do not want to add to it.

Eb



to me that shows the true quality of being a good Dom/me that you are Eb,compassion...:rose:
 
Shame is one of those very tricky things in a BDSM relationship. I don't know that it has a place in all relationships because it can be an emotional hotbutton - and not necessarily in a good way.

As a Dom, shame is not something that I necessarily want in a relationship. However, I did have a few encounters with one sub who loved to pee in her pants, and then get spanked and humiliated for doing it. I must admit that it did turn me on a lot.

Great topic and thanks for sharing your views on this Quint
 
I am not sure I could handle 'good' shame.

I certainly cannot handle 'bad' shame
 
WillowPuss said:
I am not sure I could handle 'good' shame.

I certainly cannot handle 'bad' shame

You have a good point, Willow. I think that good or bad shame comes from outside forces or expectations. And we as humans absorb them depending on where we are (in our head) at any given time.

The type and/or amount of shame we exhibit, changes over time. So something very shameful in our youth, might not raise an eyebrow today.


Handling good or bad shame is something most people have trouble with.

Eb
 
Re: ISSUES!

Dr. B Evil said:
Everybody has got them, so why add to them?

Exactly.

I also think that when others have issues we do not have to take them up as our own either.

I am not down with OPP (other people's problems & perceptions). My own keep me busy 24/7.

Eb
 
Re: ISSUES!

Dr. B Evil said:
Everybody has got them, so why add to them?

I agree quite firmly with you. The only reason why I can and do take humiliation as well as I do is because I have a lot of self-confidence. I am NOT implying in any way that those of you who express disinterest or revulsion with humiliation do not have high self-esteem! I am simply saying that I know what a great person I am, and so I'm not succumbing to any sort of ego instability by being humiliated and degraded.

Last night he called me almost every derogatory term I could think of, and he sounded bloody sincere. If I had any sort of problem with my self-esteem, I might have even believed him. If I believed him, I couldn't trust him, nor really could I trust myself. But I know better. No issues are being called up from my past because I've dealt with them; they're gone. All that's left is me, a girl who is strong enough to take it.

Quint "Hardcore mutha"
 
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