Sex: The similarities between Islam and the Left...

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Unlike most other conflicts, Islam's quarrel with the West does not revolve around borders, water supplies, or economic control over assets. Instead, it focuses on culture -- and the heart of the Islamic cultural difference with the West, at least in the Muslim mind, is Islam's statist determination to erase a woman's individuality through control over her sexuality.

In the Muslim world, women are viewed as temptresses, and men as feeble creatures incapable of resisting feminine wiles. The only way to control the anarchy that this perceived sexual imbalance creates is for the State -- and remember that Islam and the State are indistinguishable from each other -- to exert total dominion over the women within its reach.

The best way to regulate women is to remove them entirely from view. Islam has traditionally relied upon harems to isolate women from view (and, not coincidentally, from the body politic). This practice is still used in Saudi Arabia, where women may not leave the home unless they are accompanied by a male family member.

Should the imprisonment option be unavailable, however, wrapping the women in completely obscuring, shapeless mountains of cloth is an adequate substitute. Women so enveloped, aside from losing any individuality, are relatively dysfunctional and, therefore, are entirely dependent on men.

Women who seek to express (or are suspected of or falsely accused of expressing) their sexuality free of statist constraints are subject to exceptional cruelty in the Muslim world. This cruelty often comes directly from the State. Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, an Iranian woman and mother of two, was due to be stoned to death for allegedly having an adulterous relationship. When an outcry arose, the Iranian government threw in a surprise murder conviction to justify making adultery a capital crime. Ashtiani is not alone: Twelve other women and three men await the same fate for having allegedly committed an act that, in Western culture, is not a crime against the State.

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Incidentally, Frank Marshall Davis, a radical Leftist who was Obama's surrogate father and mentor during his childhood years in Hawaii, fully supported this politically-driven hyper-sexualization, including sex with children. He engaged in and wrote about disturbing sexual practices such as bondage, simulated rape, undinism, and pedophilia (or, at the very least, pederasty). Since Obama's political ascendancy, both his poetic forays and his peculiar disassociative behavior have supported speculation that Davis, giving free rein to his personal preferences and his commitment to preventing the child from gaining ownership of his own body, may have practiced what he preached on the fatherless young boy given so unthinkingly into his care. [who was allowed to be alone with a young Soerto - A_J {It's IN his book!}]

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The relentless Leftist obsession with homosexuality and variations on traditional sexual gender roles is deeply embedded in the Obama administration. Last year, a vigilant blogger exposed the fact that Kevin Jennings, Obama's "Safe Schools Czar," as part of his leadership role in the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network ("GLSEN"), aggressively promoted child pornography in the classroom. GLSEN's actions had nothing to do with creating a safe, non-discriminatory environment for young people with different sexual orientations and everything to do with using the government (i.e., public schools) to inculcate in children the notion that their bodies have no boundaries. A body with no boundaries, of course, is a body that can easily be decoupled from the individual's control and then ceded to the state.

While the gay agenda, which is cloaked in civil rights language that makes it hard to challenge, is the leading edge of the state's desire to control children's sexuality, Leftists also use the schools to manipulate heterosexual behaviors so as to destroy a child's physical boundaries. In England, parents were aghast to learn that a school was requiring its first-grade pupils to massage each other. In Iowa (Iowa!), one middle school has abandoned any pretense of traditional morality and, instead, is teaching its eighth-graders "how to perform female exams and to put a condom on a 3-D, anatomically correct male sex organ." The body is a tool, and nothing more.

Freud was right when he speculated that sex, perhaps because it is the least easily satisfied human need, may also be the most powerful physical need driving human beings. Freud, however, viewed sexuality through the spectrum of a given individual's desires. What the statists understand -- and have always understood -- is that our bodies are the first line in the battle between statism and individualism. If a person is allowed to develop a sense that his body is his own to control, he will never willingly yield to the demands of the state. Only by convincing its citizens that they have no personal autonomy, beginning with control over their own bodies, can a state completely subsume the individual to the bureaucracy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/sex_and_state_power.html
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"Sex is not messed up because it was put in the closet; it was put in the closet because it was messed up."
C.S. Lewis

 

[Songcatcher]

Nazis are irrational.

So are a lot of women.

 

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/sex_and_state_power.html
__________________
"Sex is not messed up because it was put in the closet; it was put in the closet because it was messed up."
C.S. Lewis

more similarities between islam and the right. both want to control women's bodies and reproduction.

I'd like to see the evidence that we brits are teaching our kids how to wank each other off (assuming that is what 'massage' means in this context)

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The Left wants control of their bodies and their babies.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Songcatcher]

Where there are radical Muslims there you'll find the American and the International left busy protecting them.

They actually are all Nazis (National Socialist).

And they are irrational.

 

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The Left wants control of their bodies and their babies.

I'd dispute that, but even if you could feasibly demonstrate this, the right is all about controlling women's bodies and fertility. well apart from people on the right like Rand who, to her credit, thought women's bodies shouldn't be controlled by men or anyone else.

 

[koalabear]

The similarities between Islam and the Left...

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[Liar]

I don't know how it is in America, but there's a trend in Europe - Scandinavia and Britian especially - to find radical feminist extemists among otherwise mainstream left-off-centre political parties.

Andrea Dworkin types that think that any woman displaying her sexuality is a result of the "male rape-normative society" objectifying them and other stupidity like that.

The rest of their parties are usually not in that camp, but they're still allowed to set the poltical agenda on equality and gender issues.

 

[Saint Peter]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn233/koalabear_photo/ththgifsheeplover.gif

You look fat in that picture.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Another blast of hot air from American Thinker.

 

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I don't know how it is in America, but there's a trend in Europe - Scandinavia and Britian especially - to find radical feminist extemists among otherwise mainstream left-off-centre political parties.

Andrea Dworkin types that think that any woman displaying her sexuality is a result of the "male rape-normative society" objectifying them and other stupidity like that.

The rest of their parties are usually not in that camp, but they're still allowed to set the poltical agenda on equality and gender issues.

how would you define a radical feminist extremist?

 

[koalabear]

You look fat in that picture.

Which one is me?

 

[Saint Peter]

Which one is me?

The one in sandals.

 

[koalabear]

The one in sandals.

woolly

 

[badbabysitter]

wow..all this time the Right was secretly in favour of abortion, and the Left was secretly opposed to it...not to mention revealing the hidden secret of how much the Left doesnt want a seperation of church and state,and how clearly the right sees a seperation between the two

thanks for revealing the conspiracy

 

[Liar]

how would you define a radical feminist extremist?

I think I just did. They are people with a combatative attitude towards gender issues, gender theorists blurting out things like "pornography is rape", "penetration is male oppression", "female fasion is brainwashing from the patriarchy", and so on, quite disconnected from the sentiments of everyday men and women. And their hardlined principles are most often not compatible with the real world.

In Sweden for instance, they lobbied for and got a very problematic draconian prostitution ban. Which is not practical but normative, not solving the problem, but posing on a principle. It has not stopped prostitution (because it only targeted the buyer, and not contained measures to help prostitutes with alternatives), but briven it underground, made it more unsafe for sex workers, harder to find and stop trafficking and organised crime.

But that does not concern them. They have Drawn A Line, and stood up against The Man. Literally.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Left wants control of their bodies and their babies.

Wait a minute here, AJ, weren't you the one saying women should not have access to abortions because they couldn't be trusted to make the right decision? Hmmm?

Duplictous son-of-a-whore, you are.

 

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I think I just did. They are people with a combatative attitude towards gender issues, gender theorists blurting out things like "pornography is rape", "penetration is male oppression", "female fasion is brainwashing from the patriarchy", and so on, quite disconnected from the sentiments of everyday men and women. And their hardlined principles are most often not compatible with the real world.

In Sweden for instance, they lobbied for and got a very problematic draconian prostitution ban. Which is not practical but normative, not solving the problem, but posing on a principle. It has not stopped prostitution (because it only targeted the buyer, and not contained measures to help prostitutes with alternatives), but briven it underground, made it more unsafe for sex workers, harder to find and stop trafficking and organised crime.

But that does not concern them. They have Drawn A Line, and stood up against The Man. Literally.

your post just sounded like the kind of tripe that le jerk trots out thanks to fourth-hand reading of texts they don't understand.

And as far as I was aware the prostitution laws have resulted in a reduction of prostitution and Sweden has very little in the way of human traffiking for sex, especially when compared with countries like the netherlands or the uk. are you aying that prostitution is good for women? As to organised crime, that by it's nature is underground anyway, so I don't get your argument.

 

[Liar]

your post just sounded like the kind of tripe that le jerk trots out thanks to fourth-hand reading of texts they don't understand.

Well, I can't answer for him. All I know is that I've worked with people like this politically, and know first hand that a social libertarian does not have a snowball's chance in hell to get a word in in the hegemony that is created by these people's (not only women) perversion of what I consider actual feminism and strive for equality.

And as far as I was aware the prostitution laws have resulted in a reduction of prostitution and Sweden has very little in the way of human traffiking for sex, especially when compared with countries like the netherlands or the uk. are you aying that prostitution is good for women? As to organised crime, that by it's nature is underground anyway, so I don't get your argument.

Street prostirution has gone down measurably. And that's about it. The only measured improvment due to the 2001 (or was it 2000?) law. Which of course is a good thing, it's the most exposed and risky venue for women and should not happen, whatever one may think of prostitution in general.

The recently finished evaluation of the law has no tangible numbers for indoors prostitution, or Internet based selling and buying of sex, in fact it's remarkably void of emprirical data. We've also seen a disturbing trend lately of increased solicitation of teens and young adults via social sites. The situation for the remaining street walkers are more high risk due to increasinly paranoid clientele.

Also, the law, focusing on the image (true in some cases of course) of the prostitue as an exploited desperate crack whore, were never matched with a comprehensive effort of drug treatment and (for the lack of a better word) re-sozialisation programs.

A way to get at organised crime is for civilians in contact with it to report it. One majot type of organised crie in Sweden involves human trafficking. Most not for prositution, but akin to the US problem with illegal immigrants - undocumented workers exploited. But it's the same gangs that run that that also import and force some women into prostitution. Like you said, it was pretty uncommon, at least not an epidemic, but it did happen regularly. And a common way to get at those gangs in the 90's was that johns who suspected shennanigans called the police. This stopped happening in the last decade. Guess why?

Anyhoo, my point to all this was not to debate the merits of Swedish legislation. Just to point out that there is a strong streak of moralistic and reactionary approach to sex and individuality in sex from this philosophy. Just like from the other side of the spectrum where religious philosophy is trying to impose their view of what's right and proper on everyone else.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The Left wants control of their bodies and their babies.

It must hurt to be this stupid.

more similarities between islam and the right. both want to control women's bodies and reproduction.
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No shit.. Sometimes I think the Cap'n lives on Bizarro Earth where left is right and up is down.

 

[eyer]

"social libertarian" = oxymoron

 

[fgarvb1]

The Islamic way is to attack a civilization on every possible level.

In one generation a country can be overtaken if certain things are accomplished.

Kill as many as possible..abortion is a great tool as well as drugs along with but not limited to.

Destroying the family, there are several ways... the leadership role of the man has to go, as well as all authority over the raising, disciplining and mental as well as spiritual wellbeing of the children.

Get rid of or nullify Christianity, it is important to weaken its hold over the people as fast and completely as possible.

School and indoctrinate the young in your ways...they will accept it as normal and the right way to do things.

The constitution Must be rendered virtually ineffective or used to complete the agenda.

And Always use the news media to pound the opposition and champion the cause...softly at first, almost invisibly working to change the prospective, thus the hearts and minds of the people.

SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ONE AROUND HERE?

 

[badbabysitter]

The Islamic way is to attack a civilization on every possible level.

Like invading whilst searching for non-existent weapons, carpet bombing, shock and awe

In one generation a country can be overtaken if certain things are accomplished.

Kill as many as possible..abortion is a great tool as well as drugs along with but not limited to.

Wasnt the last president a cokehead, and the Reagen administration side with South American rebels that used drugs as thier income?


Destroying the family, there are several ways... the leadership role of the man has to go, as well as all authority over the raising, disciplining and mental as well as spiritual wellbeing of the children.

Women clearly have no place raising children

Get rid of or nullify Christianity, it is important to weaken its hold over the people as fast and completely as possible.

Because without Christianity we would have to face pedophiles publicly, and we cany do that

School and indoctrinate the young in your ways...they will accept it as normal and the right way to do things.

Like remove references to Thomas Jefferson, no longer refer to America as a democracy, validate McCarthy's withchunts, rename the slave trade to something that doesnt involve slaves...oh wait.. thats the elephant guys

The constitution Must be rendered virtually ineffective or used to complete the agenda.

Especially when it comes to illegal wiretaps, exporting prisoners to avoid breaching the law, and invading foreign nations

And Always use the news media to pound the opposition and champion the cause...softly at first, almost invisibly working to change the prospective, thus the hearts and minds of the people.


FOX news would never dare to do something like this

SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ONE AROUND HERE?

more like smells like bullsit

 

[doctor_insanus]

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