Senate votes to block California ban on gas powered car sales

[cowboyup6977]

Banning gas-powered cars isn’t about forcing people to give up something useful—it’s about pushing innovation forward once the consequences of staying put become too costly. Waiting for the market to ‘naturally’ phase out gas cars is like waiting for lead paint to go out of style. Government regulations exist because certain industries won’t self-correct when profits are at stake.

Electric cars are improving fast, and like seatbelts or unleaded gasoline, adoption ramps up when policy leads the way. No one thought the horse and buggy would be banned either—it just became obsolete as better tech matured. But here's the thing: we didn't have a global climate crisis hanging over our heads back then.

And to Fu Master’s point—yes, affordability matters. That’s why smart policies don’t just ban—they phase in changes and provide support to lower-income drivers. No one’s saying ‘ditch your car tomorrow.’ But we are saying we can’t afford to keep pretending gas cars are harmless just because they’re familiar.

You want freedom to travel? Cool. But that freedom shouldn't come at the cost of polluted air, rising asthma rates, and a climate future that roasts everyone equally. Regulation isn't oppression—it’s long-overdue responsibility."

We have black outs now can you imagine how much worse it will be

 

[Rebel5soul]

Rotorooter, LoserAn, and MajorRetard throwing tantrums again. Lol

It's what they do best.

 

[PaxNurgle]

A couple thoughts on this. First of all, I support the IDEA BEHIND the ban on gas powered vehicles... but I do not support the ban.

Consumers should have the choice, first and foremost, whether to own an electric vehicle (and/or further line Elon Musk's pockets) or not. Not the government.
The California State government should have, instead, offered cash incentives, tax breaks, or even gas tax hikes (unpopular though that may be) to encourage electric vehicle purchases without outright banning them.

But second- this is a State of California thing. Not a federal government thing. Allow the State of California and their government to do what's right for the State of California, otherwise it is just federal over-reach- the exact type of thing the babyboomers and pintler-humpdayharpy-rebel5s (whatever the name-de-jour is) will typically rail AGAINST. Wonder why they switched positions on this one issue? Is it because, flawed though California's proposed gas vehicle ban is (Again I am not in favor of it) it seems like something altruistic and actually intended to help the environment, public health, etc? Sadly this is likely the reason.

 

[cowboyup6977]

Anything Cali does is a drop in the bucket
When china India and many More have no regulations

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Sounds like it would be a good reason. Everyone wants a healthy body, mind, and spirit. California's smog issues affect a lot of people's health.

Perhaps you don't feel climate change is real, but surely you arre not against environmenal protection and improving lives. Two out of three, right?

So, why do you think banning gas-powered care is about?

Climate change is real. Anthropogenic warming is real (ie fossil fuels contribute to climate change). Smog is bad. I support environmental protection.

EVs are expensive (unless you want to open the US market to China). EVs rely on environmentally destructive minerals and exploitation of labor in foreign countries, including US adversaries. The grid in California is overtaxed and endangers many parts of the state. Adding to the fragile vulnerability is not helpful, especially to ratepayers in the state and homeowners who are being shocked with insurance rate hikes that had been artificially suppressed by state insurance commissioners.

No disrespect dmallord. As time has gone on, I’ve come to respect your POVs that come with age and wisdom. And I thank you for the civility you bring to this forum.

 

[PaxNurgle]

And banning gas-powered cars is also not about reducing climate change, enhancing environmental protection, or improving the lives of working class Americans.

Actually yes, this is, in fact, what it is about.

However, as mentioned above, other countries need to get on board to help solve the greenhouse emissions, and market forces, not simple government mandates, are the best way to facilitate the migration towards non- combustion engines.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Eventually they'll have to, since the supply of gas is finite. Sooner or later it will run out, and the sooner we have a viable alternative in place, the better.
And once again we see just how much the party of "states' rights" cares about that principle when it's used for anything other than oppressing people they don't like.

The stuff they make batteries out of is finite. The stuff they charge batteries with is mostly fossile fuels.

I don't care if Ca bans the sale of gas cars. But it's stupid.

 

[Saint_Ann]

They will, as electric cars will outperform ICE vehicles on every metric.

The problem is, of course, the idiots trying to force it to happen rather then letting free market forces naturally go that direction.

People will just buy their gas cars somewhere else. One of the 1000s of dealers that set up just the other side of the border.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

 

[dmallord]

Anything Cali does is a drop in the bucket
When china India and many More have no regulations

True. Change doesn't start simultaneously around the globe as far as I know either.

Doesn't mean we sit on our hands and do nothing, meanwhile, does it? We don't live in China or India fortunately, therefore, our air and water are less polluted since we do have some regulatory bodies [well not as many after the felon started to dismantle some of them.]

California wanted electric vehicles sooner than later and sought to move in that direction. Is that folly or foresight? Apparently the state wanted that change and has the support of the populace. That counts for a great deal, I believe. Especially when it has ultruistic goals in mind.

 

[cowboyup6977]

The people don’t want it
It’s rammed down our throats by Newscum and the left legislature

 

[dmallord]

EVs are infants in the transportation industry; however, their evolution is rapid. Each iteration's design requires less battery weight and provides longer distances per charge. We can view that as a positive outcome in reducing the future environmental impact of battery production, as well as lowering overall costs for users.

I watched a recent video about a Swedish engineer who has developed a revolutionary EV motor made from fiber composite materials. It's a work of art and genius-level engineering. I believe the motor weighs about 45 pounds and can propel a four-seater from zero to sixty in about two seconds... faster than a Ferrari?

The video highlights the design, the engineering, the development, and provides a comparison between Elon Musk's designs and the current engineering levels of Tesla. When Musk was asked about it, he was stunned and acknowledged it was better. A few weeks later, he revealed a new design as well. Not to the Swedish level, but one that is improved and at a production model level. The Swedish motor and composite vehicle are currently handmade. Yet, licensing could potentially facilitate mass production, I suppose. Imagine a car that doesn’t require large amounts of steel, titanium, and other exotic metals.

The future is bright for those of you who will be around to witness it. Don't get caught up in shortsighted harangues over where these concepts can take you. Joe Biden didn’t; he moved to enhance transportation needs and the decaying infrastructure. Don’t besmirch him for that. He held a dream and went after it. Still does. [Off my soap box now.]

 

[dmallord]

The people don’t want it
It’s rammed down our throats by Newscum and the left legislature

Qmerit says, "In 2022, 55% of California voters expressed support for the state's gas-powered car phaseout, which aims to transition to 100% zero-emission new vehicle sales by 2035."

Just saying... that's not a lot of ramming.

 

[TastySuckToy]

People will just buy their gas cars somewhere else. One of the 1000s of dealers that set up just the other side of the border.

People won't buy gas vehicles when electric ones beat them on all metrics, including price. It's gonna happen, just not via government trying to ban gas cars or punish people for choosing gas cars today.

 

[Lazaran]

EVs are infants in the transportation industry; however, their evolution is rapid. Each iteration's design requires less battery weight and provides longer distances per charge. We can view that as a positive outcome in reducing the future environmental impact of battery production, as well as lowering overall costs for users.

I watched a recent video about a Swedish engineer who has developed a revolutionary EV motor made from fiber composite materials. It's a work of art and genius-level engineering. I believe the motor weighs about 45 pounds and can propel a four-seater from zero to sixty in about two seconds... faster than a Ferrari?

The video highlights the design, the engineering, the development, and provides a comparison between Elon Musk's designs and the current engineering levels of Tesla. When Musk was asked about it, he was stunned and acknowledged it was better. A few weeks later, he revealed a new design as well. Not to the Swedish level, but one that is improved and at a production model level. The Swedish motor and composite vehicle are currently handmade. Yet, licensing could potentially facilitate mass production, I suppose. Imagine a car that doesn’t require large amounts of steel, titanium, and other exotic metals.

The future is bright for those of you who will be around to witness it. Don't get caught up in shortsighted harangues over where these concepts can take you. Joe Biden didn’t; he moved to enhance transportation needs and the decaying infrastructure. Don’t besmirch him for that. He held a dream and went after it. Still does. [Off my soap box now.]

There are also new batteries under development that use less toxic (or no toxic) materials.



What is absolutely infuriating, is knowing that battery technology could be almost 40 years further along if Bush Sr. hadn’t "caved to" (conspired with?) the Saudis.



We. Told. Them. So

 

[Saint_Ann]

People won't buy gas vehicles when electric ones beat them on all metrics, including price. It's gonna happen, just not via government trying to ban gas cars or punish people for choosing gas cars today.

Maybe when they break the laws of physics.

 

[YDB95]

People won't buy gas vehicles when electric ones beat them on all metrics, including price. It's gonna happen, just not via government trying to ban gas cars or punish people for choosing gas cars today.

That's not what this bill would have done. It would have phased out gas cars over the course of the next decade, not ban them today.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Anything Cali does is a drop in the bucket
When china India and many More have no regulations

China has regulations.

https://anderson-review.ucla.edu/strict-emissions-rules-in-china-spur-automotive-innovations/

So does India.

https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/india-light-duty-emissions/

Both seem to be taking their lead from European nations which have stricter regulations than the Unites States.

I also note you politely ignored the rest of the US but maybe that was on purpose. California makes up roughly 16% of the US population and another 6% over in New York. I don't live in NY but I'm told they don't drive a whole lot. Californians however commute like hell, you cannot survive in CA (most of it anyway) without a car. You can BARELY hold down a job without one. If your car cannot be sold in California (to say n othing if the rest of the solid Blue States line up) they aren't going to make that vehicle at least not in large numbers for obvious reasons. That is why its so important to stop California. We saw this exact same fucking thing happen.

The ban was only on new cars so it would assuming it even happened on schedule still be YEARS before getting cars in state used very easy. I've never bought a car interstate or a new car either but I'm sure that's not super hard either.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Maybe when they break the laws of physics.

Are you under the false impression electric vehicles cannot surpass ICE vehicles on all metrics?

 

[HisArpy]

Are you under the false impression electric vehicles cannot surpass ICE vehicles on all metrics?

You have to add in all the sources of pollution and energy, not just the car's results.

Don't forget the pollution/climate change issue from the strip mining for the rare earth elements.

 

[Bray123]

Whatever happened to State's Rights anyway?

Or did that idea disappear with Roe v Wade.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Whatever happened to State's Rights anyway?

Or did that idea disappear with Roe v Wade.

When I asked, I was told states’ rights only apply to preserving slavery, imposing segregation and banning abortion.

Who knew?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Are you under the false impression electric vehicles cannot surpass ICE vehicles on all metrics?

I'm holding out for the nuclear powered DeLorean.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I'm holding out for the nuclear powered DeLorean.

In other words, you wanna get to a destination before you leave.

 

[Saint_Ann]

In other words, you wanna get to a destination before you leave.

And shave off a few years in the process