Saudi Plan to Occupy Iraq

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I love this plan. Keep America out and let the region heal itself.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ITeamInsider.html

Secret Saudi Plan
Crown Prince Floats Islamic Occupation Force for Iraq
Feb. 20

The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia has recently transmitted a secret proposal to the Bush administration, using one of his own sons, Prince Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah as an emissary, rather than officials from the Saudi Embassy in Washington, ABCNEWS has learned.

The Saudis are proposing that after Saddam Hussein's fall, Saudi Arabia should lead a coalition of Islamic nations to occupy Iraq while a transitional Iraqi government is established, with Turkey playing the leading role in the Islamic force.

Senior government officials told ABCNEWS that according to the Crown Prince, an Islamic occupation force would defuse the anti-American hostility that is sweeping the Middle East and putting pressure on moderate Arab governments that are allied with the United States.

The Saudis would then be free to crack down on the extremist Jihadis in the Kingdom who are allied with al Qaeda or are sympathetic to Osama bin Laden.

Right now, Saudis feel a full scale crackdown would look like the Kingdom is doing American bidding, at a time when President Bush is very unpopular there.

 

[Guest]

Shush, you!

It's supposed to be a secret.

 

[p_p_man]

I love this plan. Keep America out and let the region heal itself.

Sounds good to me...



ppman

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

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[Frimost]

The Ground war is begining

in a few weeks at most, maybe even a few days.

Villagers in northern Iraq say an Iranian-backed opposition group has begun moving troops into the area.

Residents of Meydan said they had seen a large number of trucks bringing Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) soldiers from Iran in recent days.

They said the Sciri forces had come to the village, which is on the road from the Iranian border, but then moved on to other parts of the Kurdish-controlled enclave of northern Iraq.

A Reuters news agency reporter in Meydan says he saw at least 200 of the Shia Muslim soldiers, who were wearing camouflage uniforms and carrying Kalashnikov assault rifles.

However, Sciri has denied a report that it has sent about 5,000 of its troops into the enclave to prepare for a possible US-led war.

Quoting unnamed Iranian officials, London's Financial Times newspaper reported on Wednesday that Sciri's leader, Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir al-Hakim, had his troops into northern Iraq with the aim of securing the frontier.

Mr al-Hakim's Badr Forces, believed to number about 10,000, are thought to have been equipped and trained by Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

Meanwhile, Iraqi opposition leaders were due to hold a meeting in the Kurdish enclave on Wednesday.

They are attempting to forge a united front which could play a leading role in a post-President Saddam Hussein Iraq.

From this news article:
Iraqi opposition 'moves troops in'

 

[Guest]

Re: The Ground war is begining

Time to get some popcorn, then?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I love when they post again. Is that like talking louder to a deaf person?

 

[sexyguy2]

At first glance, this sounds like an excellent plan. However, some questions arise.

"What will the Saudis and Turks do with all that oil"?

"Will the Iraqi people see any benefits from a Muslim occupation"?

"Given the Saudi infatuation with Wahabism, will the Madrasa schools be instituted in Iraq"?

 

[RobDownSouth]

mighty generous of them to offer to do the leadin'
after we've done the bleedin'

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Good questions. I don't think they'll do anything with the oil. It won't jsut be the Saudis and the Turks, it will be the region, and it's an occupation, not a government. I'd say it's a very good idea to remove the Americans from the picture. We don't want to be there ten years anyway. And I'm sure the Americans will maintain some measure of presence to look after our interests. But putting the region in charge is very smart. If they're willing to do it.

 

[patient1]

At first glance, this sounds like an excellent plan. However, some questions arise.

"What will the Saudis and Turks do with all that oil"?

"Will the Iraqi people see any benefits from a Muslim occupation"?

"Given the Saudi infatuation with Wahabism, will the Madrasa schools be instituted in Iraq"?

1- I'd expect the Saudis to do what they always do- manage world oil production in a way that keeps the price high, but not high enough to get alternative energy sources developed.

2- I don't know, but the Kurds won't see independence under Turkish occupation.

3- I understand that Iraqi illiteracy has risen since the first war & the instituiton of economy-crushing sanctions. So there's a need, & there's a symbiotic relationship between the Saudi Royal family & the clerics. Odds are- Yes.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Just to be clear, this isn't about a Saudi occupation or a Turk occupation but an occupation of a coalition of Islamic nations during a tansition to an Iraqi government, as opposed to a highly visible garrison of Americans and Brits doing a "MacArthur".

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Good questions. I don't think they'll do anything with the oil. It won't jsut be the Saudis and the Turks, it will be the region, and it's an occupation, not a government. I'd say it's a very good idea to remove the Americans from the picture. We don't want to be there ten years anyway. And I'm sure the Americans will maintain some measure of presence to look after our interests. But putting the region in charge is very smart. If they're willing to do it.

I agree.

What's really scary is p-p man agrees.

I must be losing it.

 

[nyminus]

sure gets curiouser and curiouser

One thing is for sure , actually two things. The people have no
real concept of what is really going on and even if they did there
is nothing they can do about it. In the world of politics we have no
more chance of effecting any outcome than chafe has of determining
its coarse in a windstorm. All we can do is to bleed and watch our
young men die. Our voices and words have no effect upon the
deaf ears of our leaders . Our blood is meaningless to them all
that matters to them is self profit.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You're a leaf in the wind. Give up.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Just to be clear, this isn't about a Saudi occupation or a Turk occupation but an occupation of a coalition of Islamic nations during a tansition to an Iraqi government, as opposed to a highly visible garrison of Americans and Brits doing a "MacArthur".

Yes . . . the Vietnam "victory" started the same way . . . prop up a local regime and . . . bingo! . . . 10 1/2 years later, get chased out of Siagon by the NVA . . . only cost about 83,000 dead and innumerable fine troops scarred for life by Agent Orange, PTS Syndrome and drug addiction . . .

Your original post pre-supposes that U$ aggression to take control of Iraqi Oil Reserves in breach of international law will be supported by a people that the U$ has bombed and starved and denied medical supplies to Iraqi children allowing them to die in their parent's arms . . . get a passport and do some travelling, DCL . . . your xenophobia and inexperience is showing . . .

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Your original post pre-supposes that U$ aggression to take control of Iraqi Oil Reserves in breach of international law will be supported by a people that the U$ has bombed and starved and denied medical supplies to Iraqi children allowing them to die in their parent's arms . . . get a passport and do some travelling, DCL . . . your xenophobia and inexperience is showing . . .

Actually, you might want to check your facts before you go ranting away.

 

[Tungwagger]

xenophobia

Watch out now....Don's got a new word.....how many times can he use it?

A one....and a two....

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=4122322#post4122322

 

[teddybear4play]

Actually, you might want to check your facts before you go ranting away.

Fact-checking takes time away from ranting.

Besides, he's so oblivious that he fits facts into his argument somehow. Ram that square peg into that round hole.

TB4p

 

[Ishmael]

Actually this is a good idea.

The upside is that Turkey is a secular Muslim state so it is a good model for the region. Might help keep the Wahabi's out.

There are some problems though. The Ottomans were not kind to the region. And even though the Ottoman's are gone, in many eyes of the region, a Turk is still a Turk.

The Syrians aren't going to like this at all. They are still talking about the "Greater Syria". You know, the Syria that dominated the region 2000 years ago. They are going to demand inclusion and be very nasty if they aren't included.

Still the seed of a good idea.

Ishmael

 

[p_p_man]

I agree.

What's really scary is p-p man agrees.

I must be losing it.

I said the plan sounded good to me...

I can't help wondering though how it will be received by Washington who have already named the American General they want as Governor of Iraq.

They haven't as yet said his tenure will be temporary...

ppman

 

[Frimost]

Try 47,393 U.S. dead from the Vietnam war, check some facts for once.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Try 47,393 U.S. dead from the Vietnam war, check some facts for once.

Frimost . . . it is sad that so many good Americans lost their lives fighting for what?? . . . It wasn't to stop the Communist domino threat . . . it was to provide an unlimited market for the U$ NE military-industrial complex . . . and build the great American Empire in Asia . . . to wrest control of the Golden Triangle from the war lords . . .

What is sad for aussies is that the great coward aussie Prime Minister Pig-Iron Bob Menzies invited Oz into the war in 1963 . . . and it took us until December 1972 to get out . . . leaving our share of dead in bodybags . . . and the living dead affected by Agent Orange, PTSS and drug addiction . . .

Now the Oz Prim Monster wants to emulate his great hero Menzies, and give us an encore in Iraq . . . another U$ Imperialist war . . . no thanks!!

 

[heavenly body]

The US plans for occupying Iraq are pretty short on details. Or at least what they are sharing with the public. They make no allowances for the Iraq leaders to have much say in the running of their own country. They do vaguely mention how they will determine the cost of their occupation and take it out in oil.......mmmmmm.

Does it bother anyone else that fully seventy five percent of the German and French people see this as a move towards gaining control of the Iraq's oil and nothing more? That is of course if you believe the World News BBC reports.

Now GW and the boys could very well have a nifty plan to make Iraq as cosy as a bug in the rug but they really need to share the information. I think the days of secret decoder rings or spitting on one's finger to test the wind direction are over and a lot of folks want some answers to some valid questions.

 

[Ishmael]

The US plans for occupying Iraq are pretty short on details. Or at least what they are sharing with the public. They make no allowances for the Iraq leaders to have much say in the running of their own country. They do vaguely mention how they will determine the cost of their occupation and take it out in oil.......mmmmmm.

Does it bother anyone else that fully seventy five percent of the German and French people see this as a move towards gaining control of the Iraq's oil and nothing more? That is of course if you believe the World News BBC reports.

Now GW and the boys could very well have a nifty plan to make Iraq as cosy as a bug in the rug but they really need to share the information. I think the days of secret decoder rings or spitting on one's finger to test the wind direction are over and a lot of folks want some answers to some valid questions.

Big holes in your post.

The first one is obvious. What Iraqi leaders? Please provide a list of names of the top Iraqi political leadership.

The second is I guess they could pay their reparations in Dates and Pistachio Nuts. Might take a little longer.

Lastly, any plans regarding Iraq are 100% dependent on whether the UN participates or not. Undoubtedly plans exist, in detail. But the administration would be foolish to disclose any plans of that nature before it is known whether there will be UN participation or not. It's called diplomacy.

Ishmael