Dems call to cut U.S. support for Saudi Arabia

[BotanyBoy]

You don't know what a consulate is, noted.

Sure I do, how is that relevant to the question?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wonder if they would care if this guy was not a journalist.

They don't generally care about any other dead journalist on this scale.

They can't say why this one is so special.

It's just another NPC moment.
https://i.imgflip.com/2kmqeu.jpg

 

[DeluxAuto]

Sure I do, how is that relevant to the question?

Because a consulate is basically a safe zone for internationals. We have a diplomatic relationship with Turkey, where the murder occurred. The journalist was lured to the consulate and murdered. The murder was then covered up (poorly), the Saudis lied to our CiC, and then Trump sided with the Saudis, dismissing the US intelligence reports on the murder. The journalist was an American resident employed by an American company.

How does the severity of the murder not resonate with you and Trump?

 

[beew]

I personally found that both sides (those who ask for drastic measures, and those who opposex them) gave good reasons.

Cut off support to Saudi Arabia? We don't support Saudi Arabia; Saudi Arabia supports us. We are the bitch in that relationship, and have been for the 30 years I've been old enough to pay attention. (It's probably been longer.) Y'all in favor of this insanity don't want what you wish for. Sink our currency because a billionaire tried to topple a trillionaire famiy/regime and got done up? Get the fuck outta here, he knew the risks.

Yes someone explained the other day that the West's alliance with Sandi Arabia and Israel would be far more favorable than with Iran. Not only for financial incentives, but for the containment of radical Islam within the Middle East's borders.

I wonder if they would care if this guy was not a journalist.

I don't think that the majority of Americans cared that much about Kashogi's death in particular. After all, inconvenient Western journalists or whistle blowers Did die by suspicious 'accidents' or 'suicide' and there wasn't that much hooha.

For some, it's about the fact that they think that Saudis' brand of Islam is more dangerous than Iran's.
For others, a chance to give the finger to Israel or Republicans.

But I think for that the majority of Americans who are outraged, it's more about 9/11.
The event re-awakened the trauma of 9/11, and the dissatisfaction that the follow-up investigation seemed to be superficial and to lack transparency. I read that families of victims are now suing Saudi Arabia, hoping that THAT might grant them access to the classified documents regarding the SA 9/11 terrorists.

 

[bestone4ever]

They don't generally care about any other dead journalist on this scale.

They can't say why this one is so special.

It's just another NPC moment.

Retard gets royally pwned.

Sure I do, how is that relevant to the question?

Because a consulate is basically a safe zone for internationals. We have a diplomatic relationship with Turkey, where the murder occurred. The journalist was lured to the consulate and murdered. The murder was then covered up (poorly), the Saudis lied to our CiC, and then Trump sided with the Saudis, dismissing the US intelligence reports on the murder. The journalist was an American resident employed by an American company.

How does the severity of the murder not resonate with you and Trump?

 

[DMBFFF]

(We've been through this before.)

How incredibly stupid. While the Saudi's are far from perfect they are the counter to Iran in the region.

Hezbollah confirms Iran’s role in fighting ISIS in Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasem_Soleimani

http://yalibnan.com/2014/11/29/hezbollah-confirms-irans-role-in-fighting-isis-in-iraq/

http://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Suleimani-Newsweek-cover-.png

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because a consulate is basically a safe zone for internationals.

YES.....like a little chunk of their home land plopped in their host country.

We even give their ambassadors and crew diplomatic immunity from our laws.

How does the severity of the murder not resonate with you and Trump?

Same reason the difference between legal and illegal immigration are apparent to both of us and not a fucking single solitary Democrat or any of their voters.

Or the difference between unclassified government documents on personal email and classified documents on an unregistered home server.

Rule of law.


This shit.....

The journalist was an American resident employed by an American company.

Doesn't change the fact that he was a subject of the Saudi crown and executed by said crown, on Saudi soil.

That's how monarchies do shit, and if that's how they do business, as long as they keep it in their house who are we to tell them otherwise?

DIVERSITY!!!!

If they got a beef with it then Kingshit Abdullah whatever the fuck can change it. At least until the next guy in line does shit how he wants.

Otherwise I see nothing better than taking their money....we should sell them guns, McDondalds and cocaine.

 

[bellisarius]

What has the fact that Iran is fighting ISIS (a Sunni group) to do with Iran backing the Yemeni rebels (a Shi'a group)? Or the fact that the Saudi's took out an individual they consider to be an enemy on their own soil?

And that still avoids the question as to why it's perfectly OK for the US to engage in that tactic, hundreds of times, but not OK for others?

 

[DMBFFF]

What has the fact that Iran is fighting ISIS (a Sunni group) to do with Iran backing the Yemeni rebels (a Shi'a group)?

That they might not be as bad in the peninsula as Saudi Arabia.

(my bold)

Or the fact that the Saudi's took out an individual they consider to be an enemy on their own soil?

Should IGAF what Wahabis think is an enemy?

And that still avoids the question as to why it's perfectly OK for the US to engage in that tactic, hundreds of times, but not OK for others?

What tactic?

 

[bellisarius]

That they might not be as bad in the peninsula as Saudi Arabia.

(my bold)


Should IGAF what Wahabis think is an enemy?


What tactic?

Murdering those that we, the US, have determined to be 'terrorists.' Hundreds, if not thousands, since 9-11. Why does the US have this privilege but some of our citizens get their knickers all in a twist when others do the same?

 

[DMBFFF]

Murdering those that we, the US, have determined to be 'terrorists.' Hundreds, if not thousands, since 9-11. Why does the US have this privilege but some of our citizens get their knickers all in a twist when others do the same?

If I understand correctly, the US doctrine for the extra-judicial killings was "to kill those who are trying to kill us,"—such as Osama, and not some journalist.

 

[bellisarius]

If I understand correctly, the US doctrine for the extra-judicial killings was "to kill those who are trying to kill us,"—such as Osama, and not some journalist.

Looks like that 'doctrine' was rapidly expanded.

 

[Libsam]

A journalist was shot by Israelis 3 days ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/11/19/world/middleeast/ap-ml-palestinians-journalist-shot.html

 

[DMBFFF]

Looks like that 'doctrine' was rapidly expanded.

Agreed.

However, this recent Wahhabi murder of a journalist was pretty blatant.

 

[Rokk0n]

MBS is a 33- year-old Deputy PM who's reforms, policies appeal to the majority of the 18-24-yr-old Saudi demographic.


New ideas, young leaders, this is what progressives, here, like KO want!

 

[DMBFFF]

MBS is a 33- year-old Deputy PM who's reforms, policies appeal to the majority of the 18-24-yr-old Saudi demographic.


New ideas, young leaders, this is what progressives, here, like KO want!

Meet the new boss.

 

[bellisarius]

Agreed.

However, this recent Wahhabi murder of a journalist was pretty blatant.

He wasn't a journalist and I could give a shit if the world lost another member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Saudis declared him an enemy of the state and dealt with it. Get over it and start worrying about important shit.

 

[Rokk0n]

Meet the new boss.

Not SATOB - far from it.


Now FO. I want to watch the Philly parade.

 

[DMBFFF]

He wasn't a journalist and I could give a shit if the world lost another member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Saudis declared him an enemy of the state and dealt with it. Get over it and start worrying about important shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi

(my bold)

Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi (/kəˈʃoʊɡʒi, kəˈʃoʊɡi/; Arabic: جمال أحمد خاشقجي‎ jamāl ʾaḥmad ḵāšuqjī, Hejazi pronunciation: [d͡ʒaˈmaːl xaːˈʃoɡʒi], (Turkish: Cemal kaşıkçı); 13 October 1958 – 2 October 2018) was a Saudi Arabian journalist, dissident, author, and a former general manager and editor-in-chief of Al-Arab News Channel who was assassinated at the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul on 2 October 2018 by agents of the Saudi Government.[6] He also served as editor for the Saudi Arabian newspaper Al Watan, turning it into a platform for Saudi Arabian progressives.[7]

You go believe the Wahhabis: I won't.

SATOB

Wazat?

Now FO. I want to watch the Philly parade.

Ain't going anywhere for a while. You go watch the parade.