HurtSubThrowawa
Virgin
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- Aug 27, 2015
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Hi all,
This looks like a nice community of supportive people, so I have joined to ask for some advice - particularly on Domination ethics, SSC and sub emotional bell-being.
So, the back ground:
27 years ago (age 23) I met and dated one of the 3 most amazing people I would ever meet in my life. Whilst I didn't fully realise it at the time, this woman was a bit of a dominatrix. She would constantly edge me, use CBT and breath control play on me, trained me to give her endless oral (a skill that was really useful in later relationships) restrict me and inflict other wonderful pain during sex. She was 4 years older than me and would occasionally get calls from guys whilst I was at her place (this was before the days of mobile phones or Internet). She would tell them that she was busy and would call them back some other time, then tell me they were just someone she knew. This didn't bother me as she was dating ME.
She also had a whip, cane (and some kinky clothes) in her closet, which she never used on me and said she had "for a joke". At that time I didn't know that I had an interest in BDSM, but she certainly set me up and it is something that I later explored with subsequent partners. Looking back, I was so innocent, but I now wonder if she might even have been a professional dominatrix or working girl (hence the phone calls).
After three months of dating, with amazing sex, and a very close relationship building, she quite suddenly and unexpectedly dropped me. All had been going well, and there was no reason given - except she told her friend that I was "too nice"!?! I was totally heart broken and felt a terrible sense of pain and loss which affected many of my relationships afterwards.
Fast forward to this year (I'm now 50).
I went to see a working girl who offers sexual massage with edging and hand relief (but does not offer full sex).
Just out of coincidence, this girl looks almost the same as my girlfriend from 27 years ago! She also uses many of the same techniques on my cock as that girlfriend (that no one else has since then) and as she could tell I was up for it she added some spanking, CBT and light bondage (which I could tell she really got kick out of) and her personality is even more amazing that that girlfriend! It is as clear she had the makings of a great Dominatrix.
Even ignoring the sexual side of this she is an amazing woman and again one of the 3 most amazing people I would ever meet in my life.
After our second session, I told her she would make a great Dominatrix and she told me that it was an area that excited her and asked me to tell her what I knew about BDSM. A few days later she updated her profile to show that she now offered domination services (clearly written by another of her clients, as her first language isn't English).
The third time we met we discussed BDSM and my interests. I also told her everything about my girl friend of 27 years ago, how much she looked like her, and how hurt I was when it unexpectedly ended. We didn't actually do a scene - I wasn't ready at that point because it takes me time to build up trust. But she did encourage me, and I felt ready that our next session would be a Dom Sub session.
Due to the pain of that relationship 27 years ago, It takes me time to build trust and feel safe with a woman, but as a sub I fully drop my guard & emotional defences, opening myself up. This makes me very exposed (& therefore vulnerable) but allows a much deeper Domination experience. And so, with some email exchanges I opened myself up to her ready for our next session.
Unfortunately, due to work commitments, I had to cancel and move my booking back a couple of days. I was apologetic and Her emails suggested she was OK about it. Then the day before I had to cancel again. I was even more apologetic about it but she replied "It's OK. Don't worry."
As I felt bad about the cancellations, when I went to rebook, I went to the trouble or writing a sincere apology in her native language (initially with Google Translate then several hours of understanding the grammar, context, formally levels, to perfect) in text and email.
But she didn't reply. I assumed she was just busy and sent another booking request 3 days later (in English this time). No reply. I left a voicemail the day after saying I had sent a booking request. No reply (she had previously returned calls quickly).
The shock realisation opened the wound from 27 years ago. It was like the same thing happening again, with a very similar woman and I felt that same pain and sense of loss I felt 27 years ago.
For the first two weeks I felt physical pain in my chest, lost 12lbs in weight and could barely function as a human-being. I had just discovered something really amazing in my life and then lost it.
I didn't know if I had upset her or made her angry. I also didn't get the change to apologise in person or compensate her for the cancelled bookings. It all felt left unfinished.
So, a month later, I have found out through someone else that "she don't like that someone waste her time. She not give another chance for the guys if she feel someone play with her time.
But she NOT ANGRY with you.
She just want to work. if you booking after you change your mind looks you don't now what do you want. she said she don't have time for this.
But she said you are a gentleman."
So I will send her a final email soon. Ideally I want her to let me book her again (which seems unlikely) but more importantly I feel I should point out some ethics to her (if only for the benefit of her subs) and here is where I would appreciate some comments:
On her Domination profile she states that she is a Safe, Sane & Consensual mistress. Under the Sane part of SSC I feel that a Dom has a duty to consider the emotional well-bring of her subs.
I feel that as she knew about how my relationship ending 27 years ago, it was unethical for her to just cut off all communication. I believe she should have told me at the first cancellation that I would be dropped as a client if I cancelled again. Then it wouldn't have been so unexpected and I wouldn't have been so shocked.
Am I wrong in expecting this?
A Dom has a big influence of their subs emotional well-being. Do you think they therefore have a duty to not hurt it even in their actions outside of a scene?
She is new to this, but is it acceptable for a professional Dom/Dominatrix to cut all communication with a sub because they had to cancel (twice in this case)?
If this is unethical, how should I best explain this to her? (This woman does have lots of potential as a good Dominatrix.)
I would welcome any comments (and also support as I am still hurting from this).
TLDR: Dominatrix cut off communication because I cancelled, leaving me emotionally hurt. Is this OK or unethical?
This looks like a nice community of supportive people, so I have joined to ask for some advice - particularly on Domination ethics, SSC and sub emotional bell-being.
So, the back ground:
27 years ago (age 23) I met and dated one of the 3 most amazing people I would ever meet in my life. Whilst I didn't fully realise it at the time, this woman was a bit of a dominatrix. She would constantly edge me, use CBT and breath control play on me, trained me to give her endless oral (a skill that was really useful in later relationships) restrict me and inflict other wonderful pain during sex. She was 4 years older than me and would occasionally get calls from guys whilst I was at her place (this was before the days of mobile phones or Internet). She would tell them that she was busy and would call them back some other time, then tell me they were just someone she knew. This didn't bother me as she was dating ME.
She also had a whip, cane (and some kinky clothes) in her closet, which she never used on me and said she had "for a joke". At that time I didn't know that I had an interest in BDSM, but she certainly set me up and it is something that I later explored with subsequent partners. Looking back, I was so innocent, but I now wonder if she might even have been a professional dominatrix or working girl (hence the phone calls).
After three months of dating, with amazing sex, and a very close relationship building, she quite suddenly and unexpectedly dropped me. All had been going well, and there was no reason given - except she told her friend that I was "too nice"!?! I was totally heart broken and felt a terrible sense of pain and loss which affected many of my relationships afterwards.
Fast forward to this year (I'm now 50).
I went to see a working girl who offers sexual massage with edging and hand relief (but does not offer full sex).
Just out of coincidence, this girl looks almost the same as my girlfriend from 27 years ago! She also uses many of the same techniques on my cock as that girlfriend (that no one else has since then) and as she could tell I was up for it she added some spanking, CBT and light bondage (which I could tell she really got kick out of) and her personality is even more amazing that that girlfriend! It is as clear she had the makings of a great Dominatrix.
Even ignoring the sexual side of this she is an amazing woman and again one of the 3 most amazing people I would ever meet in my life.
After our second session, I told her she would make a great Dominatrix and she told me that it was an area that excited her and asked me to tell her what I knew about BDSM. A few days later she updated her profile to show that she now offered domination services (clearly written by another of her clients, as her first language isn't English).
The third time we met we discussed BDSM and my interests. I also told her everything about my girl friend of 27 years ago, how much she looked like her, and how hurt I was when it unexpectedly ended. We didn't actually do a scene - I wasn't ready at that point because it takes me time to build up trust. But she did encourage me, and I felt ready that our next session would be a Dom Sub session.
Due to the pain of that relationship 27 years ago, It takes me time to build trust and feel safe with a woman, but as a sub I fully drop my guard & emotional defences, opening myself up. This makes me very exposed (& therefore vulnerable) but allows a much deeper Domination experience. And so, with some email exchanges I opened myself up to her ready for our next session.
Unfortunately, due to work commitments, I had to cancel and move my booking back a couple of days. I was apologetic and Her emails suggested she was OK about it. Then the day before I had to cancel again. I was even more apologetic about it but she replied "It's OK. Don't worry."
As I felt bad about the cancellations, when I went to rebook, I went to the trouble or writing a sincere apology in her native language (initially with Google Translate then several hours of understanding the grammar, context, formally levels, to perfect) in text and email.
But she didn't reply. I assumed she was just busy and sent another booking request 3 days later (in English this time). No reply. I left a voicemail the day after saying I had sent a booking request. No reply (she had previously returned calls quickly).
The shock realisation opened the wound from 27 years ago. It was like the same thing happening again, with a very similar woman and I felt that same pain and sense of loss I felt 27 years ago.
For the first two weeks I felt physical pain in my chest, lost 12lbs in weight and could barely function as a human-being. I had just discovered something really amazing in my life and then lost it.
I didn't know if I had upset her or made her angry. I also didn't get the change to apologise in person or compensate her for the cancelled bookings. It all felt left unfinished.
So, a month later, I have found out through someone else that "she don't like that someone waste her time. She not give another chance for the guys if she feel someone play with her time.
But she NOT ANGRY with you.
She just want to work. if you booking after you change your mind looks you don't now what do you want. she said she don't have time for this.
But she said you are a gentleman."
So I will send her a final email soon. Ideally I want her to let me book her again (which seems unlikely) but more importantly I feel I should point out some ethics to her (if only for the benefit of her subs) and here is where I would appreciate some comments:
On her Domination profile she states that she is a Safe, Sane & Consensual mistress. Under the Sane part of SSC I feel that a Dom has a duty to consider the emotional well-bring of her subs.
I feel that as she knew about how my relationship ending 27 years ago, it was unethical for her to just cut off all communication. I believe she should have told me at the first cancellation that I would be dropped as a client if I cancelled again. Then it wouldn't have been so unexpected and I wouldn't have been so shocked.
Am I wrong in expecting this?
A Dom has a big influence of their subs emotional well-being. Do you think they therefore have a duty to not hurt it even in their actions outside of a scene?
She is new to this, but is it acceptable for a professional Dom/Dominatrix to cut all communication with a sub because they had to cancel (twice in this case)?
If this is unethical, how should I best explain this to her? (This woman does have lots of potential as a good Dominatrix.)
I would welcome any comments (and also support as I am still hurting from this).
TLDR: Dominatrix cut off communication because I cancelled, leaving me emotionally hurt. Is this OK or unethical?