Saddam rolls over

[Rex1960]

Tactics REDWAVE. As old as mankind. Sun Tzu. When your enemy wants talks and negotiations he is stalling because he is too weak. Attack. Attack at once. You have already won.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." Sun Tzu

 

[Rex1960]

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting." Sun Tzu


These old chinese have something...

 

[Sandia]

"Attack, attack, attack. For verily, it will help you win the election."

 

[REDWAVE]

Sandia

You got it, Sandia. Whatever Saddam agrees to, the Bushies will then demand more. They're determined to have their war, and they won't let a little thing like Saddam caving in to their demands stop them. And the timing of all this war talk-- just two months before the congressional elections-- is clearly political.

Now, who wants to go fight and die so scum like 427cobra, Lost Cause, and Ishmael can profiteer from it?

 

[Rex1960]

"a little thing like Saddam" ??

Do you at least sometimes believe what you're posting ?

 

[REDWAVE]

Rex

Hey, Rex. How's it going? Do you think Schroeder's going to win the election there, or Stoiber? I noticed Stoiber has just recently played the anti-immigrant card, since he's behind in the polls now due to Schroeder's strong anti-war stand.

No, I don't believe a word I say. I just spout off for the hell of it.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Just as U.S. troops were starting to move out in a major way, the Iraqi government caved in and agreed unconditionally to inspections, putting a monkey wrench in Bush's war plans. Instead of an attack being imminent, the inspections have their own timetable, set by the U.N., which Bush will be hard pressed now not to follow.

No doubt the U.S. government will now "raise the bar" and insist upon more concessions by Iraq, hoping it will reject them and thus furnish a pretext for war. It's pretty obvious which side is trying to negotiate and avoid war if possible, and which side is just making ultimatums and pushing for war. However, Hussein has at least gained some time.

If inspectors destroyed all of Iraq's weapons of mass detruction and Saddam were toppled internally without one U.S. solider stepping foot in the country, you'd post that Bloodthirsty Bush's next move obviously would be to get everyone in Iran to hold hands on the border and challenge Iraq to a giant game of Red Rover -- loser gets invaded.

What the U.S. is doing is working. Live with it, honey.

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Rex

Hey, Rex. How's it going? Do you think Schroeder's going to win the election there, or Stoiber? I noticed Stoiber has just recently played the anti-immigrant card, since he's behind in the polls now due to Schroeder's strong anti-war stand.

No, I don't believe a word I say. I just spout off for the hell of it.

In our electional system we don't vote for the chancelor but for the parties participating. So this will end up in the question which coalition will gain majority. It'll be a head to head decision anyway. Actual opinion polls see Schroeder and his red/green coalition ahead...
And I don't consider Schroeder a strong anti-war activist. He just knows he couldn't gather the green party of Vice-Chancelor Fischer behind him otherwise.

 

[REDWAVE]

Reading minds now, DCL?

I like how you can tell me what I would post before I even write it. Developed telepathic abilities now, DCL? Let's test them. I'm thinking about you right now-- let's see if you can tell me what I'm thinking?


"What the U.S. is doing is working." Working for whom? It's not working very well at all for the millions of Americans who are out of work, and find that what little "safety net" the U.S. used to have has been largely shredded. What about them, DCL? Of course, you don't have to worry about it, do you-- you have a good-paying job!


And by "U.S.," do you mean the country or the government? As you know, I always distinguish sharply between the U.S. government, and the nation as a whole, which is often unaware of what the government is doing, especially in the realm of foreign policy.

 

[REDWAVE]

Rexie

Yes, I'm aware you don't vote directly for Chancellor. You vote for Reichstag deputies (I think that's what they're called), and the leader of the majority party (or parties) becomes Chancellor. I agree Schroeder is being opportunistic in his anti-war stance, but it's obviously popular with the German people. He was trailing in the polls, not he's ahead.

Now Stoiber is forced to shed his "moderate" image and resort to racist immigrant-bashing to try to salvage an electoral victory.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I like how you can tell me what I would post before I even write it. Developed telepathic abilities now, DCL? Let's test them. I'm thinking about you right now-- let's see if you can tell me what I'm thinking?


"What the U.S. is doing is working." Working for whom? It's not working very well at all for the millions of Americans who are out of work, and find that what little "safety net" the U.S. used to have has been largely shredded. What about them, DCL? Of course, you don't have to worry about it, do you-- you have a good-paying job!


And by "U.S.," do you mean the country or the government? As you know, I always distinguish sharply between the U.S. government, and the nation as a whole, which is often unaware of what the government is doing, especially in the realm of foreign policy.

LOL

You jump around more than a minnow on a skillet. "What do you mean 'U.S.', DCL? What happened to the 'A.'? Don't you have vowels in your Newspeak dictionary, Mein Herr? Mind control!"

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Rexie

Yes, I'm aware you don't vote directly for Chancellor. You vote for Reichstag deputies (I think that's what they're called), and the leader of the majority party (or parties) becomes Chancellor. I agree Schroeder is being opportunistic in his anti-war stance, but it's obviously popular with the German people. He was trailing in the polls, not he's ahead.

Now Stoiber is forced to shed his "moderate" image and resort to racist immigrant-bashing to try to salvage an electoral victory.

You might call them representatives to the parliament. The institution is the "Bundestag" since we are the "Bundesrepublik". The building is the "Reichstag". Fact is, it's up to the leader of the majority party to try to build a coalition if they haven't gained a direct majority of more than 50%. Now recent polls show that Schroeder's SPD and Stoiber's CDU/CSU are head to head somewhere around 40% each (+- 2%) [btw Schroeder vs. Stoiber directly show something like 45/30]. Since their possible coalition partners are also head to head it all might depend whether the smallest of all five parties, the PDS gains any seat at all.

Schroeder lost the polls because he had no concept for the unemployment and economics, but then the flooding appears and he made a proper job as a leader. Now he's back in the game.

Re "resort to racist immigrant-bashing" that's just not true. His concept never changed.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Already!

Yep, the U.S. government has already rejected Iraq's offer (so much for acting "multilaterally" through the U.N.), and made new demands. The story's on the AP wire. Bush is hell bent for war.

the US didn't reject any offer, the US wants a new resolution. big difference

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Sandia

You got it, Sandia. Whatever Saddam agrees to, the Bushies will then demand more. They're determined to have their war, and they won't let a little thing like Saddam caving in to their demands stop them. And the timing of all this war talk-- just two months before the congressional elections-- is clearly political.

Now, who wants to go fight and die so scum like 427cobra, Lost Cause, and Ishmael can profiteer from it?

technically, the Gulf War never ended, it was a cease fire agreement.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Rex

No, I don't believe a word I say. I just spout off for the hell of it.

and the truth has finally been told

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

the US didn't reject any offer, the US wants a new resolution. big difference

Not to REDWAVE. He's going to take 1000 different facts, squeeze them into his sausage grinder, and make little Pinko Patties just the way he likes them.

 

[REDWAVE]

Pinko Patties

Would you like your Pinko Patties with ketchup or mustard? Onions or pickles?


Ppman likes his Pinko Patties with a dash of HP sauce.