Rupert Murdoch

[Joeybagadonuts]

Nixon, Reagan knew what was going on. In Nixon's case, his problem was not the deal but the cover-up and abuse of power to discredit his adversaries. In Reagan's case, the deal he had North broker was not illegal -- except in the minds of the Democrat congress -- looking to give him trouble. Remember how "Star Wars" was going to inevitably lead to a Soviet nuclear attack? Hmmmm? Anyway, Reagan's end run to circumvent the Democrats' "no money to the Contras" ploy was legal, in that Congress only has control over revenue money collected pursuant to its tax and levy powers -- it does not have any power over money generated independent of those powers.

In Murdoch's case, he had little or no knowledge of any of the goings on AND there are no criminal charges pending in any event.

However, in Obama's case, if one were to apply the Pro-Terrorist Party logic regarding their enemy, Rupert Murdoch, to their own faux pres., Obama holds greater liability withe respect to the Ft. Hood shooting, as people under his command had both oral and written documentation indicating that Hasan was a nut job, like all iSlammers, planning to do nasty shit soon. But, being a Muslim, it was HANDS OFF -- in the name of political correctness. Thus, as you can see, political correctness can cost lives.... particularly when you have effeminate fools at the helm.

Therefor, the Murdoch falls outside but closer to the Reagan analogy, depending on the level of knowledge Rupert and James had and when they had it, while Obama's situation falls more squarely into the Nixon category.

You neglected to mention the other far more significant part of Iran/ Contra; that being that Reagan traded arms to Iran for hostages during an arms embargo which he initiated and while telling the American people that he would never negotiate with terrorists. Arms paid for by tax payers were sold to a private enterprise of Secord, Hakim and Col. North who then sold them to the Iranians at a profit. Mrs. North testified that she met with Hakim in Philadelphia to discuss methods of getting North his cut without raising suspicion but were unable to solve that problem.

I’m not an attorney but it seems like there must have been something illegal about all that.

 

[pabloback]

So, Ish, how does this statement square with the list of people who've been criminally charged? Are those all the wrong size fish?


Yeah, I realize that getting Ish to admit he was wrong about something is a pipe dream, but it's still fun to ask now and again just to see what semantic lengths he'll go to to justify himself.

do the two people who have already been found guilty and are currently residing at her majestys pleasure (the big house to some of you) one of which was the notw royal correspondent and another was the private detective hired to hack count?
these enquiries are to establish who else was involved which includesone owner. two ceo's and several former editors not forgetting senior police officers, one of which conveniently found no evidence of hacking or police corruption because "there was too much evidence to look through"

 

[Sean]

So, has Ishtard popped in to admit he's a fucking idiot yet?

No? I'm shocked!

 

[oggbashan]

do the two people who have already been found guilty and are currently residing at her majestys pleasure (the big house to some of you) one of which was the notw royal correspondent and another was the private detective hired to hack count?
these enquiries are to establish who else was involved which includesone owner. two ceo's and several former editors not forgetting senior police officers, one of which conveniently found no evidence of hacking or police corruption because "there was too much evidence to look through"

The convicted private detective kept extensive and meticulous records of all his dealings with the News of the World. I think it was 70 large notebooks. Whether they were available before his conviction? I don't know.

 

[zipman]

So, has Ishtard popped in to admit he's a fucking idiot yet?

No? I'm shocked!

But, but, but you even posted the link he asked for that had nothing to do with the current argument.

All he did was show that his record of cowardice runs deeper and stronger than this one thread.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

In Murdoch's case, he had little or no knowledge of any of the goings on

And you KNOW this, how?

AND there are no criminal charges pending in any event.

Against who? Rupert? No there isn’t, but there is against a whole raft of his fellow executives though, isn’t there? And James is getting dangerously close to being the next one.

and Harbottle NotW lawyers.....

The law firm had contacted the Commons culture, media and sport select committee earlier in the day, following the appearance of Murdoch and his son James on Tuesday, amid concerns that its reputation has been erroneously maligned by their testimony.

The London law firm's concern centres on the fact that Rupert Murdoch had criticised its legal advice but not revealed the nature of the original brief it issued in relation to a file of News of the World emails.........(snip)

Rupert Murdoch told the Wall Street Journal last week that Harbottle's advice was a "massive mistake". His allegation appeared to be based on a second opinion the company received from Lord Macdonald, the former head of the Crown Prosecution Service, in April after a fresh police inquiry was launched into phone-hacking. He said he concluded within three to five minutes there was evidence of criminality and advised News International to go to the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/20/news-international-law-firm-murdoch

However, in Obama's case, if one were to apply the Pro-Terrorist Party logic regarding their enemy, Rupert Murdoch, to their own faux pres., Obama holds greater liability withe respect to the Ft. Hood shooting, as people under his command had both oral and written documentation indicating that Hasan was a nut job, like all iSlammers, planning to do nasty shit soon. But, being a Muslim, it was HANDS OFF -- in the name of political correctness. Thus, as you can see, political correctness can cost lives.... particularly when you have effeminate fools at the helm.

Therefor, the Murdoch falls outside but closer to the Reagan analogy, depending on the level of knowledge Rupert and James had and when they had it, while Obama's situation falls more squarely into the Nixon category.

Which, I note, is not a refutation of any of the points that have been made? Not one!

First, repeating a refuted claim without addressing the refutation does not make the claim valid, nor does it affect the fact that the claim has been refuted.

You were presented with a clear and compelling argument as to why Rupert must have been aware of wrong doing at NotW.

This is sufficient to require YOU to provide evidence or reasonable argument as to why Rupert didn’t know, and you have not done so.

Until you do, the only reasonable conclusion based on the best evidence/ argumentation we have (because you have not provided any, you have merely made claims) is that your claims are incorrect.

So to give your analogy a semblance of credibility how about you start at the beginning and tell us how Rupert didn’t know about the hacking of Prince William’s phone and other members of the royal household by NotW. This is common knowledge that has been in the global media for 6 years.

How did he not know this? Why wasn't this investigated properly and the e-mails lodged (hidden with their lawyers)? That….

Lord Macdonald, the former head of the Crown Prosecution Service, in April after a fresh police inquiry was launched into phone-hacking. He said he concluded within three to five minutes there was evidence of criminality

Why were no steps taken to ensure that there were no further instances of hacking at NotW?

You can then move on to explaining why he has no idea about the internal investigation at NotW and the evidence given by his close friend and fellow executive Les Hinton to parliament. Which was described thus....

The publishers of the News of the World suffered "collective amnesia" over the extent of illegal phone-tapping by its reporters, a group of MPs have said.

Then the Millions paid made to Max Clifford and Gordon Taylor. He never saw a balance sheet with these amounts on, his son never mentioned it to him?

We can go on from there.

Woof!

 

[Peregrinator]

You neglected to mention the other far more significant part of Iran/ Contra; that being that Reagan traded arms to Iran for hostages during an arms embargo which he initiated and while telling the American people that he would never negotiate with terrorists. Arms paid for by tax payers were sold to a private enterprise of Secord, Hakim and Col. North who then sold them to the Iranians at a profit. Mrs. North testified that she met with Hakim in Philadelphia to discuss methods of getting North his cut without raising suspicion but were unable to solve that problem.

I’m not an attorney but it seems like there must have been something illegal about all that.

Ask about the cocaine!

 

[Sean]

But, but, but you even posted the link he asked for that had nothing to do with the current argument.

All he did was show that his record of cowardice runs deeper and stronger than this one thread.

I think it's even funnier that his usual band of sycophants have deserted like rats from the Titanic.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Sean what do you think of Miliband and "Blue Labor"?

 

[where]

Have Kybele & Rebecca Brooks ever been seen together??

the woman is an utter twat, but I want her hair! it's by celtic birthright dammit!

rumor has it that on kybele's private porn board are posted photos taken by mr. TRB of kybele "instructing" ms. brooks on proper ass hook technique.

you aren't supposed to tell people about the other place!

Kybele, Brookes grudge fuck.

<sits back, yeah working for me>

Woof!

I'd totally do her.

Murdoch epitomises the groupthink that is British politics. And yet it is resolutely centre left. Work that one out.

british politics is centre left? you are kidding, right?

Actually, that has nothing to do with this thread.

You made an opening post that was factually incorrect. Do I need to go back and quote it?

You also made allegations that were contested. You've done nothing to respond to that.

Your completely egotistical inability to admit error is extremely amusing. Saying you're waiting for Sean to post the "rental" thread link is proof of that.

Come on Ish, man up. It's really not that hard to do.

You could say:
- My bad.
- I was wrong.
- It appears my facts were incorrect.
- Upon further investigation, I was mistaken.

I mean, it's completely obvious to those of us reading this thread. Think of it as a first step in regaining some credibility.

pigs might fly over a frozen hell.

Whoops, that was me, shy left herself logged in and I didn't notice.

ishy wants you to respond to a 5 year old thread? how fucking insane!

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Ask about the cocaine!

I read this one written by a former DEA agent.

http://www.amazon.com/Powderburns-Cocaine-Contras-Drug-War/dp/0889625786

 

[pabloback]

The convicted private detective kept extensive and meticulous records of all his dealings with the News of the World. I think it was 70 large notebooks. Whether they were available before his conviction? I don't know.

there could well be charges against senior police officers who failed to investigate the first time and are alleged to be involved in covering up police corruption.

it is agreed by all that tens of thousands of pounds have been paid to police officers involved in phone hacking, including royal protection officers who sold the queens personal phone book. what has not been established yet is how far up the chain liability goes, brooks and coulson could well do time, murdoch junior has been found out lying to the enquiry, in denying knowledge of an incriminating email murdoch senior may escape

 

[Ishmael]

Well, now that it's all settled down perhaps I can reiterate my points.

There is no justice to be found in political circles or the press. And it seems that there just might be a problem in the ole 'mother land' regarding the police and their investigation. That comes from two directions, one is --- "Who wasn't on the take?" and the other is --- "Is there going to be an over-reaction based on political pressure?"

Regardless, as I said before, if Murdoch is found complicit, hang the bastard.

But I've watched far too many of you indict, try, convict, and execute people based on initial press and political commentary only to be proven wrong in the end.

Ishmael

 

[gravyrug]

Well, now that it's all settled down perhaps I can reiterate my points.

There is no justice to be found in political circles or the press. And it seems that there just might be a problem in the ole 'mother land' regarding the police and their investigation. That comes from two directions, one is --- "Who wasn't on the take?" and the other is --- "Is there going to be an over-reaction based on political pressure?"

Regardless, as I said before, if Murdoch is found complicit, hang the bastard.

But I've watched far too many of you indict, try, convict, and execute people based on initial press and political commentary only to be proven wrong in the end.

Ishmael

Now THAT's funny right there. Mostly for what's blatantly not there.

 

[Sean]

Now THAT's funny right there. Mostly for what's blatantly not there.

It's like watching Nixon declare he isn't a criminal.

 

[Ishmael]

Still around sean? Let's see a link to that rental thread.

Ishmael

 

[gravyrug]

Still around sean? Let's see a link to that rental thread.

Ishmael

Go back a page. Or is your new excuse that you're looking for a different thread? Seriously, dude, it doesn't actually cause physical damage to admit you fucked up. Try it, you'll see.

 

[Ishmael]

Go back a page. Or is your new excuse that you're looking for a different thread? Seriously, dude, it doesn't actually cause physical damage to admit you fucked up. Try it, you'll see.

I went back two pages and still found no link to a thread where I expounded on rent control in London.

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to either copy the link, or provide it yourself. You see, sean is on ignore, but hist remarks were quoted by others. Life's a bitch.

Ishmael

 

[gravyrug]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=20030599&highlight=control#post20030599

Post 74 and following.

Now then, about these non-existent criminal charges...

Here you go, Ish. If you want a different one, you'll have to take Sean off ignore and ask again. Either way, you were wrong about the lack of criminal charges in the phone hacking scandal. The more you try and ignore it, the worse you look.

 

[Ishmael]

Here you go, Ish. If you want a different one, you'll have to take Sean off ignore and ask again. Either way, you were wrong about the lack of criminal charges in the phone hacking scandal. The more you try and ignore it, the worse you look.

Ahhh, and the entire thread was about London?

Are you an idiot or what?

Ishmael

 

[The Mutt]

Ever notice how all the experts the right wingers trot out have the word "former" in front of their titles?

 

[gravyrug]

Ahhh, and the entire thread was about London?

Are you an idiot or what?

Ishmael

Ahh, standard Ishmael tactics. I wondered when the personal attacks would start. It's really too bad your ego gets in the way of your mind so very often. It does make for some amusing posts, though, so I shouldn't complain.

As I said just two posts ago, if you're looking for a different thread, you'll have to ask Sean. I don't keep up with your arguments. I just quoted the one he posted.

Seriously, though, you can't acknowledge that your opening post was incorrect, after several very thorough lists of people who were criminally charged?

 

[Ishmael]

Ahh, standard Ishmael tactics. I wondered when the personal attacks would start. It's really too bad your ego gets in the way of your mind so very often. It does make for some amusing posts, though, so I shouldn't complain.

As I said just two posts ago, if you're looking for a different thread, you'll have to ask Sean. I don't keep up with your arguments. I just quoted the one he posted.

Seriously, though, you can't acknowledge that your opening post was incorrect, after several very thorough lists of people who were criminally charged?

Seriously, the attack he made was my 'pontificating' on rent control in London.\\

That was not the subject, or content of the thread regardless of sean's demented associations.

My question is why in the hell you're sticking your nose in this? Is sean sending you money? Is he offering some quid quo pro? Or is it just that you're do fucking stupid that you bought into seans line that it was all about London?

Ishmael

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Ask about the cocaine!

I read this one written by a former DEA agent.

http://www.amazon.com/Powderburns-Cocaine-Contras-Drug-War/dp/0889625786

Thanks for the links you two. I have not read or thought about that stuff for years. Time to revisit. Those two links alone should keep me pretty busy during my reading time.

 

[gravyrug]

Seriously, the attack he made was my 'pontificating' on rent control in London.\\

That was not the subject, or content of the thread regardless of sean's demented associations.

My question is why in the hell you're sticking your nose in this? Is sean sending you money? Is he offering some quid quo pro? Or is it just that you're do fucking stupid that you bought into seans line that it was all about London?

Ishmael

Are you really that deluded, or are you just deliberately missing the point so you won't have to admit you were wrong? I've been talking about you being wrong in this thread. You're the one that brought up whichever other thread you're talking about. I have no interest in that one.

In this thread, you argued that Rupert Murdoch shouldn't be called in for questioning because no criminal charges had been brought. Other folks have posted lists of the people who have, in fact, been charged, all of whom have some connection to Murdoch's organization. All I've been saying is that you should admit that your initial post was incorrect about the criminal charges. You are apparently so focused on your feud with Sean that you can't comprehend that.

Sleep well, Ish. Good night.