Rosie O' Donnel

[tealsphynx]

Rosie is under attack right now, and not for her sexual preference. Apperently she said on "The View" that Radical Christianity is just as threatening to our country (america, sorry, don't mean to be excluding our friends from other nations, but she was only talking about america) as Radical Islam. I have only seen snippets of the "offensive" statement, MSN Video had one that was a news report on the event and had a few people debating about it. Now I don't think Rosie meant that the good citizen, goes to curch and believes in God type of person is what she was saying. I think she means the people that join and believe groups like "God Hates Fags" and "God Hates Troops", the kind of people that attack women as they try to obtain legal and safe abortions, the kind of people that use they're religion as a reason to get nasty and fight. So. Any ideas, comments, anyone actually see the whole thing? Harsh political statements are OK, but PLEASE no flaming.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I have to agree with her. Unfortunately, it will be used to attack her, just as she has been in the past. Being open minded, critical of church and government, and honest are not highly prized qualities by most these days, far too confronting for many who prefer to live in a land of unreality and hope it all goes away.

Catalina

 

[Betticus]

I don't know, it seems that the majority of Americans do know that any extremist group is stupidly dangerous.

Unfortunately there will always be people who are more than willing to try to force others into their insanity.

It's all the fault of the Swedish! They are notoriously evil!

 

[Xelebes]

I don't know, it seems that the majority of Americans do know that any extremist group is stupidly dangerous.

Unfortunately there will always be people who are more than willing to try to force others into their insanity.

It's all the fault of the Swedish! They are notoriously evil!

Svenska or Liar will appear at your door tonight with a package in tow.

 

[Aeroil]

"Violent hateful individuals are equally dangerous to society, regardless of their religious background."

Means the same thing, probably would have saved her some trouble.

Regardless, as John Stewart has said before, America is run by extremeists because moderates don't care enough to speak out.

 

[Betticus]

Svenska or Liar will appear at your door tonight with a package in tow.

Only because they are totally evil!

 

[caela]

Regardless, as John Stewart has said before, America is run by extremeists because moderates don't care enough to speak out.

Just a dissenting opinion..I don't think the extremists run things because the moderates don't care but because the extremists are easier to manipulate by those that have the money to get people elected.

 

[Xelebes]

Just a dissenting opinion..I don't think the extremists run things because the moderates don't care but because the extremists are easier to manipulate by those that have the money to get people elected.

You're saying those with the most potent cold air will stir up the the hot air enough to cause a storm?

 

[caela]

You're saying those with the most potent cold air will stir up the the hot air enough to cause a storm?

lol Xelebes...It's been a long week and I'm tired so I'm not sure if I can follow that analogy or not. All I'm saying is that those with tunnel vision are easier to manipulate and control which is exactly the type the money men want to put their money behind.

 

[SirFace]

Rosie is under attack right now, and not for her sexual preference. Apperently she said on "The View" that Radical Christianity is just as threatening to our country (america, sorry, don't mean to be excluding our friends from other nations, but she was only talking about america) as Radical Islam. I have only seen snippets of the "offensive" statement, MSN Video had one that was a news report on the event and had a few people debating about it. Now I don't think Rosie meant that the good citizen, goes to curch and believes in God type of person is what she was saying. I think she means the people that join and believe groups like "God Hates Fags" and "God Hates Troops", the kind of people that attack women as they try to obtain legal and safe abortions, the kind of people that use they're religion as a reason to get nasty and fight. So. Any ideas, comments, anyone actually see the whole thing? Harsh political statements are OK, but PLEASE no flaming.

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

 

[Betticus]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

They are out there!

 

[m wisdom]

...
It's all the fault of the Swedish! They are notoriously evil!

How did you find out

It's to late anyway, WE WILL RULE THE EARTH, MUHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

 

[m wisdom]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

You most likely don't hear from them becouse it's much easier for the media and goverment to point at outside threats then internal ones.

Besides, modern day muslims don't want to kill everyone else either.

 

[shy slave]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

The Pope made a bit of an error in a speech which included comments on Muslims.

He apologized through his staff, not in person.

Not a great idea.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5351988.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5348456.stm

 

[tealsphynx]

Naughty me, I start a thread and disappear for a few days. Sorry all. The groups I don't think have actually been violent as groups, but individuals who would probably be a part of these groups have. People have been brutally murdered for being gay. I know our world has a history of brutal murders in the name of one thing or another, but we should be growing past that and learning to embrace our differences. I know world peace isn't really a realistic goal, but tollerance would be nice. I'd like to not have to hide marks on my dear subbie for fear of an abuse investigation and risk losing my son and my ambitions. I do think there is an amount of voter apathy on the side of people who want these changes, but I think they're afraid to speak out for fear of procesuction (sorry short night) . If I could stand up in a protest to get rights for BDSM players I would, but I know where I want to go in my life and unfortunately that kind of protest would strip me of any possibility of candidacy. I would vote on a private ballot if there were one, but it is definitely not in my better itnerests to mass protest. And there are other people out there who have the same problem. I've found a new angle for my research paper, I'll put it in a different post that I've got aobut my ppaer already.

 

[chris9]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

What kind of news do you follow? It's common knowledge that the most powerful Christian countrey, the United States of America, lead by an extremistic Christian President, are having a war to get control over the Arabian oil and to kill every Muslim on earth. For that reason they started the war in Irak. Adding to this they don't give a damn about human rights anymore, or at least are convinced that human rights are only for fellow Christians, but Muslims are not human enough to enjoy those rights.


*disclaimer: I know that this is not just. It's written as an exaggerated summary of what the German press presents the US to be. The purpose is to show that some things are represented differently depending where you are. And since Germany is still US oriented, great friends and all that, and the press is as negative as it is about the US, I don't really want to imagine how it's shown in the media in other parts of the world where religion, culture, values (as in human rights, not as in traditional family values) are WAY different from the Western ones we share.*

 

[Chicklet]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

What about the KKK? Isn't that a good example?

 

[SirFace]

What about the KKK? Isn't that a good example?

No, thats racial mostly, not specifically religious.

 

[tealsphynx]

What kind of news do you follow? It's common knowledge that the most powerful Christian countrey, the United States of America, lead by an extremistic Christian President, are having a war to get control over the Arabian oil and to kill every Muslim on earth. For that reason they started the war in Irak. Adding to this they don't give a damn about human rights anymore, or at least are convinced that human rights are only for fellow Christians, but Muslims are not human enough to enjoy those rights.


*disclaimer: I know that this is not just. It's written as an exaggerated summary of what the German press presents the US to be. The purpose is to show that some things are represented differently depending where you are. And since Germany is still US oriented, great friends and all that, and the press is as negative as it is about the US, I don't really want to imagine how it's shown in the media in other parts of the world where religion, culture, values (as in human rights, not as in traditional family values) are WAY different from the Western ones we share.*

"American" viewpoint: We follow the american news Our war isn't over oil. It's about stomping out tyrany and terrorism! All Iraqi kids carry guns and shoot soldiers! All Iraqi women walk around with bombs strapped to them! Go Team USA!! and all that other junk. Honestly, I know there were some other events that happened in the 20th century that have been linked to iraqi terrorists, and for decades the UN kept saying to Iraq "We know you have these weapons so we're going to inspect you sometime" and never did. I think Iraq had enough of a warning to move all their stuff. But that's just MO. I don't think all of the reasons for the war are justified and I don't think that every Iraqi person is a terrorist. I think the prejudicing of followers of the muslim faith really shows badly of our country considering the idea that any radical group, muslim or christian, is going to pervert what their faith teaches to justify the killing of innocent people. I've got buddies fighting in this war, thankfully though wounded they're still alive, and they've been told by their commanders confusing and contradicting orders as time goes by. When raids happen lots of people die, guilty people, innocent people, friend and foe alike. It's ugly. The gov't. needs to get on the ball and decide what exactly is the reason why we're over there. If it's for oil maybe we should withdraw our troops and put the money being used to fight for oil and put it into research for alternative fuel sources for our cars, like the biodesil thing or even they're talkinga bout nitrogen now. If the goal is to destroy al quaida , it's an unrealistic goal, kinda like the neo nazi groups and the kkk they're still around, but they've been beaten down and they're more or less non-active from what I've seen. I can udnerstand the worry that if we pull out too soon that there will be more attacks. Then again, Iraq has attacked other countries trying to force us to push out. It's been 5 years, isn't it time to find a way to pull out? The UN is pretty good at drawing up cese fire agreements, why is none being issued?

 

[O'Mac]

I happen to agree with what you've said in your original post, Teal. Yes, I am a person of faith, but I certainly don't allow myself to blindly follow any one particular believe or dogmatic principle. Nor do I beleive most people act that way. It's just obvious that the extermists on both sides of the issue get all the air time. It doesn't seem to matter to people that for the most part, everyone thinks and acts rather reasonably despite any theological, social, or political differences. The problem is that all too often, religion has been highjacked for the advancement of political aims. It has happened in the middle east, and it has happened here in the west.

Want to get people's support for a foreign war? Say that God himself has given his blessing to military action (but do try to forget about the whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing).

Want to justify the killing of hundreds of civilians over decades of intercine strife? Just say that you are fulfilling a divine mission.

Once politicians and social leaders have twisted the word of God for their own purpose, they can pretty much get away with anything. Afterall, who is going to argue with the word of God, even if it is interpreted through a man.

I believe that God (whoever He/She/It is) gave us brains for a reason. We're to use them and make the world a better place using reason, science, and logic. When we let metaphors and superstitions and blind adherrence to dogma rule our lives, ignorance replaces reason the system starts to fall apart. I, for one, don't believe that religious belief is inherrently evil. Say what you want about all its faults, faith has also brought many blessings to mankind. And often the underlying message itself is socially-progressive and agreeable by most people of varying faiths or even those of no theistic faith at all (ie: humanists and whatnot).

I think somewhere along the line I started rambling. Ah well. Up to you to decypher the message.

 

[Anorexic Squirrel]

Religious extremists whether it be islam or christian, share a lot of similarities. Christian terrorrists are just as big a threat as any other kind of terrorist. The KKK, antiabortion terrorists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols (responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing) all used christian beliefs to justify their actions, just as muslim terroists use their religion to justify their actions.

I'm not saying that the bible says to kill abortion doctors, or even that christian beliefs and muslim beliefs are the same, i'm saying that any religion can be construed and warped to mean anything you want it to, though the majority of the people who believe in that religion may be good hearted people looking to better themselves and the world around them, there will always be people that don't get it, or simply use it for their own ends.

There is nothing in the Koran that says America should be destroyed. People will interept their religion as they want to interpret it. If you interpreted the Christian bible literally, which unfortunatly some do...then the death penalty is seemingly suitable for men having long hair, for children not obeying their parents, for cursing your parents, for men not being circumcised, for eating bloody meat, for girls not being virgins when wed, working on Sundays etc etc.

Religion doesn't create terrorism, terrorists use it to rationalize their actions to themselves and others.

 

[m wisdom]

Religious extremists whether it be islam or christian, share a lot of similarities. Christian terrorrists are just as big a threat as any other kind of terrorist. The KKK, antiabortion terrorists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols (responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing) all used christian beliefs to justify their actions, just as muslim terroists use their religion to justify their actions.

I'm not saying that the bible says to kill abortion doctors, or even that christian beliefs and muslim beliefs are the same, i'm saying that any religion can be construed and warped to mean anything you want it to, though the majority of the people who believe in that religion may be good hearted people looking to better themselves and the world around them, there will always be people that don't get it, or simply use it for their own ends.

There is nothing in the Koran that says America should be destroyed. People will interept their religion as they want to interpret it. If you interpreted the Christian bible literally, which unfortunatly some do...then the death penalty is seemingly suitable for men having long hair, for children not obeying their parents, for cursing your parents, for men not being circumcised, for eating bloody meat, for girls not being virgins when wed, working on Sundays etc etc.

Religion doesn't create terrorism, terrorists use it to rationalize their actions to themselves and others.

Couldn't say it better myself so I'll just agree with everything here

 

[Netzach]

I dont know. Somehow I missed the part where modern day christians are trying to kill everyone who doesnt believe the same as them. I have yet to hear about any radical christians arming themselves with the intent of killing all muslems.

However, I do believe that all religion is evil and a crutch for the weak. Jesse for Pres.

Give or take a few clinic bombings.

 

[tealsphynx]

I think alot of the big issues/problems is when interpretations are used to warp things. Even in movie review articles and then in the advertisements about the movies. The ad says "New York Tribune says: ...Fascinating..." When really the review said " it's fascinating anyone would pay money for this junk" My mom grew up really religious and she used to bookmark scripture that "spoke" to her. She said later in her life those old scriptures no longer had the powerful message they did years ago, but new scripture fit better, filled her with empowerment and motivation. Faith, or as I like to say, a sence of spirituality, be it Christian, Wiccan, Pagan, Buhdist(I'm sorry if I spelled it wrong) , any "religion" or "docterine of faith" really is an important part of our lives. I'm currently ignoring my spiritual path because I'm having trouble finding something that fits. I gave up Christianity because I felt like I was being hypocritical with my faith and my actions. My actions made me feel better than my faith, so I quit. That and I started reading and questioning what it was that I believed, and while the general message was good there was alot of contradiction within the message. <shrug> I'll find something. Ah the wormholes this research paper is puttin in my head. Luckily my teacher said I can stop looking for Ethical reasons because the arguments I find are mostly religious against non-religious and I'd like to live past the day of my presentation so I don't want to go implying that I think these religious people are wrong for what they believe. It's really not that. I think religion shouldn't be basis for law. So now I get to argue the legal aspects about whether or not it's worthy of a constitutional ammendment which is a whole new can of worms because constitutional law is really ugly from what I hear, and I want to argue that while my topic should be legal it doesn't deserve to be any form of constitutional ammendment. I always have to choose the hard shit. stoopit brain.

 

[SirFace]

Give or take a few clinic bombings.

Again, political or ethical but not really religious.