Repeal the 2nd Amendment

when you enable criminals to use violence against law abiding citizens who then are not allowed to defend and protect themselves, that is oppression.
What you are describing exists nowhere in the world. No government is "enabling" criminals in that way.

And nobody who fights for a loose immigration policy is doing that either.

In fact, the fantasy you are describing is EXACTLY how "The Turner Diaries" begins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries
 
And nobody who wants tight border control or immigration halts is racist in any way.
You know THAT'S a lie -- because immigration would not even be an issue of the immigrants were comong from Canada, and that is not because Canadians speak Engiish.
 
You know THAT'S a lie -- because immigration would not even be an issue of the immigrants were comong from Canada, and that is not because Canadians speak Engiish.
no the issue are people draining our systems. immigration law requires people to NOT be dependent on the government or tax payers just like many other country's immigration laws. race does not matter.
 
letting criminals with no bail/light sentences/repeat offenses back on the streets constantly with few consequences is enabling.
The U.S. has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other country. Sentencing leniency is NOT a problem we have here.
 
The U.S. has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other country. Sentencing leniency is NOT a problem we have here.
well duh, that's because of population, and a gross moral decline that no one wants to admit or do anything about. AND because of enabling criminal behavior.

china and russia with their high population dont screw around when it comes to crime. they force consequences and do NOT enable criminal behavior. so a lot more people are law abiding.
 
well duh, that's because of population, and a gross moral decline that no one wants to admit or do anything about. AND because of enabling criminal behavior.

china and russia with their high population dont screw around when it comes to crime. they force consequences and do NOT enable criminal behavior. so a lot more people are law abiding.
China uses one bullet to the brain stem and then send the family a bill for the bullet.
 
An unarmed civilian population and an armed military works every time a despot wants to take over a country. But that's what the lefties here really want. :)
Saddam Hussein ruled an armed population. It never stopped him from doing whatever he wanted to them.
 
What do YOU think would happen, if there were immigration pressure at the northern border and none at the southern?
have you ever tried to drive in or out of canada? it is VERY strict. you answer one question weird and they'll pull you in.

theyve also arrested us citizens who were mistakenly hiking right at the border in the woods. so they can be strict with their border but we cant????
 
have you ever tried to drive in or out of canada? it is VERY strict. you answer one question weird and they'll pull you in.

theyve also arrested us citizens who were mistakenly hiking right at the border in the woods. so they can be strict with their border but we cant????
From what I understand they aren't as strict as they used to be.
 
have you ever tried to drive in or out of canada? it is VERY strict. you answer one question weird and they'll pull you in.

theyve also arrested us citizens who were mistakenly hiking right at the border in the woods. so they can be strict with their border but we cant????
That has nothing at all to do with American racism and immigrants.
 
No one is saying the 2A says anything else. What is under debate here is its VALUE. Arguments against have been made -- at this point the onus is on YOU to make arguments FOR.

What's your argument against repeal? Citing the language of the current 2nd Amendment is meaningless. Once it's gone those words won't be law anymore.
Value you ask? Let’s look at the last line again…

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Notice…it’s very similar to the Fourth Amendment…

It means that citizens have the individual right to own firearms for lawful purposes and that the government may not interfere with that right.

The Fourth Amendment, uses similar language…

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…”

It’s notable because it affirms that the Founding Fathers intended the Second Amendment to protect an individual right.
Heller references this similarity, and defines it as such.

If you’re so flippant about repealing the Second…when will you come for the First? Or the Fourth? It will only be a matter of time. As I posted (and both of you ignored), we already have Israeli Oligarchs calling for suspension of our First Amendment.

I’m sure both of you fully support him…
 
Value you ask? Let’s look at the last line again…

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Notice…it’s very similar to the Fourth Amendment…

It means that citizens have the individual right to own firearms for lawful purposes and that the government may not interfere with that right.

The Fourth Amendment, uses similar language…

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…”

It’s notable because it affirms that the Founding Fathers intended the Second Amendment to protect an individual right.
Heller references this similarity, and defines it as such.

If you’re so flippant about repealing the Second…when will you come for the First? Or the Fourth? It will only be a matter of time. As I posted (and both of you ignored), we already have Israeli Oligarchs calling for suspension of our First Amendment.

I’m sure both of you fully support him…
The primary reason to repeal the 2nd Amendment is because the “shall not be infringed” language has been exploited by bad actors.

It was a poorly-written addition to Constitution that serves no purpose in the 21st Century.
 
The primary reason to repeal the 2nd Amendment is because the “shall not be infringed” language has been exploited by bad actors.

It was a poorly-written addition to Constitution that serves no purpose in the 21st Century.
Well, for one it wasn’t written in the 21st Century. The beauty is the Constitution was written by very smart men. It’s basically served us well for almost 250 yrs. You can complain, you wont be the first, that it was “poorly-written”, but as I’ve shown you with the Pennsylvania example, the Founders knew just of what they spoke.

It’s why those quotes from those 18th Century State Constitutions were used. This wasn’t some flippant Amendment that was thrown together last second…as you two jokesters would have us believe.

I have to ask…if your people had had something similar…would they have had the troubles they traditionally had? Something to ponder😉
 
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