Reality Check: The November 2012 Presidential Election
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4est_4est_Gump
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Reality Check.
It's March...
It's March...
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It's up to personal interpretation.
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Romney will beat Obama by a small margin.
or
Obama will beat Santorum in a landslide.
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Obama will beat Santorum in a landslide.
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Don't tell me to vote when you haven't...
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The big wigs are in town today.
I think Obama just wants to celebrate St Paddy's day, Chicago Style.
He'll be campaigning with a green beer in his hand. Watch for it.
The big wigs are in town today.
I think Obama just wants to celebrate St Paddy's day, Chicago Style.
He'll be campaigning with a green beer in his hand. Watch for it.
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FWIW: I live in the most conservative county in the nation, and a good portion of the conservatives here don't believe for a minute that this will happen.
You're my puppet. I'll give you whatever direction I damn well please.
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Gawd, I can't take 4 more years of Obama.
Hasn't he already made a big enough mess of things?
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FWIW: I live in the most conservative county in the nation, and a good portion of the conservatives here don't believe for a minute that this will happen.
You're my puppet. I'll give you whatever direction I damn well please.
Conservatives are marginalized in a national election. Independents determine who sits in the big chair.
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I saw green Katsup in the store the other day.
I'll be traveling tomorrow and will miss out on my corned beef dinner.
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They didn't last election. They won't this election. *shrug*
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Yes, they did.
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No, they didn't.
Most people who call themselves "Independents" aren't Independents.
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I'm sorry that your logic doesn't match the reality of human nature. But that's not my fault.
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Oh... ok. You get to set the goal posts and move them to make sure you score. Got it.
I usually find this thought to be coupled with the Bush mentality, "You're either with us, or against us."
In this most recent election cycle, you're either with Dem or you're a RACIST...
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The Conservatives I know personally aren't racist. What do they have in common? None of them claim what you say to be true.
The racist right-fringe perpetuates the idea that the left see all opposition to Obama as being racist. Thin as it is, it's their lifeblood.
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What are you even talking about? Do you have mental problems or something?
I said independents elected Obama; you said they didn't; I said they did; and you said those who were identified as independents weren't really independents.
Does that summarize where we are? It's demonstrably true that Obama won because he won the independent vote - and that fact is accepted by pretty much everyone who knows anything at all about politics. You can chose to call that voting block something other than independents if you want, but until your name for them takes off and is accepted in the discussion, you're flat out wrong.
No wonder so many people think you are pedantic.
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Are they self-defined "conservatives?"
Does that not imply they are "Independent?"
Is your universe then coast-to-coast? Canada to Mexico?
Define "racist right-fringe..."
Is it a vast conspiracy?
Who yells racist?
Holder?
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If they voted for him, they voted Dem. They are Dem. It's simple.
There's a good portion of my views which don't fit neatly into one party or another. Our party system isn't close to being perfect or correctly representative of the population as a whole. But, as it stands today, if I vote Democrat, I'm Democrat for all intents and purposes, and I won't whine about being identified as such.
Your vote is your voice, and you are what you vote. If you don't want to be identified as Democrat or Republican, don't vote for those candidates, or stay home.
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In 2010, the camp that rallied up the highest voter turnout among their core won big.
A presidential year is different though, Higher general enthusiasm means more undecideds coming to the polls.
But as long as voter turnout is generally low, one can always win by giving the independents the finger and focus the attention on the solid left or solid right.
And voter turnout in the United States IS generally low. That's why stuff like registration drives, canvassing and GOTV efforts is a thing.
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Some of us vote for the person, not the party.
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That's fine. But, whether or not you care about a candidate's party affiliation makes no difference. You're voting the party; that's the way the system is set up. Thus, you self-identify with a party when you vote.
The "Independent" title is nothing more than an attempt at a panacea for what most consider to be a broken party system. It's psychological.
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