Readers confused between fiction and fact

[Wifetheif]

I used to post a lot in loving wives. I could handle folks not liking a story but the personal insults were a bit much. I just put on the asbestos underwear and try to let it ride over me. Fortunately, I have lots of fans under my Amazon nom de plume, that love everything I write, even when it includes loving wives and hot wives. There is something really skeezy about the lowlifes that insult me on LW. I think everyone has produced a valid theory they react out of guilt or fear, or because of their own limitations as a man. the letters I have received from women however have been without exceptions delights. Even when they didn't like a story, they were kind. I had a truly wonderful woman in reaction to my series, "How Much Do You Think I'd Bring?" she placed herself in the role of my heroine, reflected back on the early struggling days of her marriage and concluded that if she had done what my heroine had, she would have lost all respect for herself and her husband would have rejected her as well. It was fantastic that she thought so deeply on my story and praised it as "well-written but not for me."

 

[AvroAnsonXIX]

Anon Y. Mouse's heritage:

In Joseph Heller's 'Catch 22' Doc Daneeka tells Yossarian of a couple that came in unable to get pregnant. The husband boasted that he had sex with his wife every night. But when Doc checked, he found the woman to be a virgin. So he showed the couple how sex worked using a plastic penis and vagina. The couple was fascinated. They thanked him and left to go try it Doc's way. A few days later, the husband returned and punched Doc in the nose saying "What are you, some kind of wise guy?"

 

[SamScribble]

Teachable moment / English:
'The sad thing is how big their followings are." That should read: "The sad thing is how numerous their followings are. "
Taint nuthin' big 'bout 'em.

Fifteen-Love to Ms Anson. Although I usually try to keep such things - along with 'many' for 'a lot of' (and vice versa) - inside my own head.

 

[oggbashan]

Sometimes I get irritated by comments about factual detail in my stories e.g. the word 'pussy' was not in use in London in the 1960s. How would the person know? They weren't born then and have never left their inland US state. I know it was used. I was there - then, and 'pussy' had been used in England since the 17th century.

 

[RetroFan]

I remember seeing a Loving Wives story once where a husband and wife, unknown to each other, were both having an affair with the same man. The LW readers weren't very happy about it especially given the gay male scenes were explicit, to put it mildly.

I've also seen them tearing apart stories that involve a bully stealing the wife from the husband, fetish themes in the cheating and mild incest (wife cheats with stepbrother, cousin etc.)

In one of my cheating stories set in the early 1960s the floozy of a wife spits in her husband's dinner, cheats with various guys all over town, has an orgy with five 18-year-old seniors at the high school where he teaches, keeps from him the fact that she had a baby as a teenager, has been irresponsible with money such as bouncing checks and either refuses to have sex with her husband or mocks him when he can't rise to the occasion. The husband isn't a particularly sympathetic character, but given that the wife 'wins' in this story and is never held to account for her cheating and other behaviour, I ended up posting it in Group Sex, where it was a bit of a flop, maybe a bit nasty and mean-spirited for their liking.

 

[TadOverdon]

My partner developed an interest in writing smut at at time when Penthouse magazine was still a popular newsstand publication. They tell me that the husband watching his wife, sometimes unwillingly, was a major thing in the old "Letters to Penthouse" feature and that the editors supposedly got complaints about it there, too.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Rarely do any of my LW stories rise above a 3 to begin with, but over time they have reach 4+ but rarely have they achieved a 4.5 or higher.

I just had a new LW story go up and it's only at 2.55 with 83 votes. I don't expect it to go much higher.

I used to get slightly upset about this, but over time comments from readers who like what I write far out weight the idiots that do 1-bombs.

 

[SimonDoom]

Teachable moment / English:
'The sad thing is how big their followings are." That should read: "The sad thing is how numerous their followings are. "
Taint nuthin' big 'bout 'em.

I don't think this is accurate. I think "big" is the better word to use in this case. But it depends on what Lovecraft is trying to say.

When you use the word "numerous" in this context, you are saying that there are many, many followings. When you use the word "big" in this context, you are saying that each following is big (without letting on how many followings there are).

I think of a "following" as a collective term of indefinite size. It's not a synonym for "followers." If he'd used the word "followers" then "numerous" would be correct. I think what's he's saying is that incel authors have big followings, and that's an accurate and grammatical thing to say. It's like saying, "That rock band always attracts big crowds." You wouldn't say, "That rock band always attracts numerous crowds."



That's not what Lovecraft is saying. He is saying that each following (however many followings there are) is big, not that there are many followings. So the word "big" more accurately conveys what he is trying to say than the word "numerous."

 

[AvroAnsonXIX]

Using Hypoxia's definition of an "incel:" To whit: "someone who hasn't quite figured out the complicated mechanics of hanging out at bars at closing time." It was my belief that Lovecraft was trying to say there were "many" of them, thus "numerous," would be correct. I took "following," as a multiple of "follower."

If in fact Lovecraft meant that each individual follower was greatly invested, I can see that from the words, but not from the overall tone. (And I admit that it's a subjective interpretation. I misunderstood what those college boys said about "old pussy," but then again they aren't complaining this morning. )

Based on tone, I don't thing anyone would say the other definition of big: "physically large or imposing as it pertains to individual size," is applicable in this case.

All this time being upside down in the Northern Hemi makes the blood rush to your head and makes one think weird thoughts.

 

[lovecraft68]

Using Hypoxia's definition of an "incel:" To whit: "someone who hasn't quite figured out the complicated mechanics of hanging out at bars at closing time." It was my belief that Lovecraft was trying to say there were "many" of them, thus "numerous," would be correct. I took "following," as a multiple of "follower."

If in fact Lovecraft meant that each individual follower was greatly invested, I can see that from the words, but not from the overall tone. (And I admit that it's a subjective interpretation. I misunderstood what those college boys said about "old pussy," but then again they aren't complaining this morning. )

Based on tone, I don't thing anyone would say the other definition of big: "physically large or imposing as it pertains to individual size," is applicable in this case.

All this time being upside down in the Northern Hemi makes the blood rush to your head and makes one think weird thoughts.

An incel is someone who can't get laid because he's a loser, but then turns it around to blame the women, their standards are to high, they want this, they're needy, they only want money in other words they're a poor victim of all those nasty women

The YT channels I mentioned are full of "men" who have now taken to acting as if they are this way by choice and they don't need women....yet they'd hop into bed with any of those horrible women is they let them.

The size comment was simply an insult in regards to being dickless as well as spineless, gutless and useless.

I don't mince words or try to be subtle with this kind. I have no tolerance for them and I have more malice for them than they could ever have for a woman or anything else in their sad pathetic existence.

If this sounds bad here on the forum, I'm worse in real life when I end up around someone like this. Funny though how with no keyboard to be behind they don't have much to say.

 

[lovecraft68]

This is an excellent question, and of course, I don't know for sure. But I think so. Why? Because it doesn't take many trolls to knock a good story into the waste bucket, score-wise. I've read enough Loving Wives/hot wife stories, along with their comments, to believe that there's a large readership for these stories. I see plenty of comments praising the stories. But if only 20% of the readers are of the fanatical incel crowd, the story has no chance of getting a really good score, no matter how much the majority likes it. It's just math. 4 5s and 1 1 equal a 4.2 average -- that story ain't never going to sniff a red H, despite the fact that 80% of the readers love it. 1 incel out of 5 readers dooms the story's score.

But here's what I think is the really important point: it only dooms the score. It doesn't doom your ability to connect with a large group of readers who will appreciate your story. And that's what really matters, isn't it?

You're right about score, it doesn't take a large amount of ones to take a story down...then again LW does get a lot of votes, second to I/T I think?

I'm thinking more in terms of comments in how many are just vitriolic spew from the various factions, which lead to people from other factions then commenting on the commenter, but little in the way of not only positive, but even decent comments about the actual story most boil down to "cheating bitchhhhhh useless cuckkkkkk!" That's about it.

I think these people are a form of masochist. Its one thing to read a story and there's something you didn't expect in it and it pisses you off and makes one leave a nasty remark,

But in LW you KNOW what is in most of these stories, these whack jobs come to a category every day knowing its going to send them frothing. Its like a form of self flagellation.

 

[SimonDoom]

But in LW you KNOW what is in most of these stories, these whack jobs come to a category every day knowing its going to send them frothing. Its like a form of self flagellation.

I agree with you that this is what is, in fact, going on. But in their minds they think they are fighting the good fight against bad women and the sissy men who allow women to be bad. The idea that a woman should be independent and free to do what she wants with her body and her sexuality and to have fun is unthinkable to them. They see stories about wives having sex outside marriage and getting away with it as a form of propaganda that they have to fight.

 

[Nightwaves]

There is no reality here

I feel your pain. I've posted some pretty fucked up stuff, but anyone who thinks it's anywhere near real needs therapy. That's why they call it FICTION, eh?

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree with you that this is what is, in fact, going on. But in their minds they think they are fighting the good fight against bad women and the sissy men who allow women to be bad. The idea that a woman should be independent and free to do what she wants with her body and her sexuality and to have fun is unthinkable to them. They see stories about wives having sex outside marriage and getting away with it as a form of propaganda that they have to fight.

I think you're right in that they feel like they stand for some type of cause. First thought is but these are made up stories, so what cause are you defending.

Then its the realization that this is what makes them so impotent because how would you defend this 'cause' in real life? You can't or you'd have your teeth kicked out of the back of your head or land yourself in jail for running around screaming at women the things they type here.

I'm not the censorship type, however lit tries to make it sound as if they have issues with hate speech which is part of why they are reviewing and censoring comments, but while that category exists as is, its just more hypocrisy because that hatred of women brings clicks and clicks from people and clicks from hyenas are all the same.


I've commented before that the LW readership makes the non con category look like a feminist clubhouse, over there the stories that may contain some type of abuse of women are fictional and part of a kink, and a fantasy.

The things these animals spew are not sexual, its not about erotica or a kink, its pure hate and threats of violence. If I'm not mistaken "Incels" or whatever they refer to themselves as have either already been branded a hate group or that's in the works.

So again, lits talking out of both sides of their mouth and fake moral stances and hypocrisy are on full display. The abuse of women over the years on the forums have more than proven their stance on what they encourage.

 

[yowser]

I have said this before, the only real flaw in the 'Loving Wives' category is the title. It would be much better if named (accurately) 'Hating Husbands.'

If so labeled, it would save a lot of author aggravation.

 

[TadOverdon]

I'm not so sure. Some of these people come looking to complain about the same kind of activities in other categories.

 

[KeithD]

I have said this before, the only real flaw in the 'Loving Wives' category is the title. It would be much better if named (accurately) 'Hating Husbands.'

If so labeled, it would save a lot of author aggravation.

Not really, I don't think. These are readers coming to rant about something. I don't think a category title change is going to stop them.

There are those who understand the category, write to that, and can withstand the negative response among that from others who understand what can go in the category. Authors can shave off much of the negative response themselves. If they expect high ratings in such a contentious arena, that's sort of tough for them.

 

[AlphaLyon]

It's a Rorschach Test, really.

I'm not so sure. Some of these people come looking to complain about the same kind of activities in other categories.

So it sounds like it's less about the category, and more about how highly engaged these snowflakes become when "activated" for their cause. They seem easily triggered by female autonomy or a perceived attack on the male dominance of the husband in a marriage.
I feel like I could write a whole thesis on how this incel mindset relates to erotica alone.

Stories (erotica or not) connect with us when we are able to relate on some level with the characters and/or situations.
I enjoy cuck scenes from the perspective of dominance by the bull.
They seem affronted by the submission of the cuck.
Kinda makes you wonder about who they feel is the most relatable, and with whom they identify.

 

[KeithD]

Kinda makes you wonder about who they feel is the most relatable, and with whom they identify.

No, not really. It just makes me drop it, let them do their thing, and go off and do my thing--and yes, sometimes my thing resulted in writing a story that set them off, but I didn't set that as a goal and I just set my meter at "don't care if it sets some off."

 

[lovecraft68]

I have said this before, the only real flaw in the 'Loving Wives' category is the title. It would be much better if named (accurately) 'Hating Husbands.'

If so labeled, it would save a lot of author aggravation.

The tag is tales of adventurous wives.

Now back when Lit started the category many years ago things weren't as they were now and the category was pretty much like any other. People who enjoyed stories of hotwives, sharing, willing cuckolds, and even stories where the couples experienced some romance...

Over the years the category has slowly devolved to where there are so many factions of haters that its impossible to write 'to the audience." In most categories here there is a formula of success for what most of the readers like or don't like, but not there.

As for hating husbands, the real name should be "misogynists gather here to complain about women who cheat....just like men do, but its cool when men do it"

Simon said it well somewhere above when he said the real issue is women controlling their sexuality and doing as they will. As for the morals of cheating, personally I have low opinions of anyone who cheats, but I also know these are stories and cheating wives are a kink to some. But it seems the people who enjoy the fantasy are vastly outnumbered by the trash who have gathered here to suck up free and boldly post with bandwidth courage, the only courage they've ever shown in their entire lives.

 

[lovecraft68]

So it sounds like it's less about the category, and more about how highly engaged these snowflakes become when "activated" for their cause. They seem easily triggered by female autonomy or a perceived attack on the male dominance of the husband in a marriage.
I feel like I could write a whole thesis on how this incel mindset relates to erotica alone.

Stories (erotica or not) connect with us when we are able to relate on some level with the characters and/or situations.
I enjoy cuck scenes from the perspective of dominance by the bull.
They seem affronted by the submission of the cuck.
Kinda makes you wonder about who they feel is the most relatable, and with whom they identify.

Pretty much all of what you say.

The cuck thing isn't for me, too bad because if I could write it I could make some money. But I've always felt that a cuck is not much different than a submissive in some ways. I can see the mentality.

I talk about the way they hate on women there and the abusive BTB trash stories, but I also don't care much for the stories where the man is completely humiliated and abused by the bull and the woman, the majority of the category seems to have just morphed into cruelty with little if anything erotic.

 

[Comshaw]

I have three stories posted in the Loving Wives category. All three deal with husbands (or wives) allowing their mate to have sex with someone else. The first one was posted in 2004, the second in March 2020 and the third in June 2020. I received several favorable comments on the first two, and one or two unfavorable ones, but the last one seemed to open the gates for the rabid trolls. The surprising thing is most didn't even mention the misspelled title, but concentrated on the act of a husband allowing his wife to have sex with someone else.

I will post another story in that category, but I've decided to include a preface to alert those who are going to read it about the content. I'm interested to see how many of those trolls actually read it after being warned what is contained in it. Perhaps they secretly like the idea, but don't want to admit (even to themselves) they do? We'll see.

I get taken to task regularly for misspelled words and words used out of context. I could use the excuse that I'm dyslexic. I could use the excuse I'm a two-fingered sausage-fingered typist. Both of those are true, but the criticism is correct, I could do a better job of that so I try to take it to heart. Also, I've been taken to task for historical accuracy in a couple of my stories. Again, it's true so I'll take that drubbing and try to learn from it.

That said there are other comments that are way off base. One of them tried to insist that some of the things I described in a story were wrong and couldn't be. Much of that particular story scenario was drawn from my own experience and I know it was correct and factual. It is amazing to me how many think they are experts in a field and have no clue of what they speak.

Another thing is the complaint of the storyline not being plausible or it's too contrived. There are 332,000,000+ people in the US alone. Out of that massive amount of people the implausible can't happen? Yeah, uh-huh.


I never delete comments, even off-the-wall ignorant ones posted by "anonymous". And I noticed that most (not all) of the really disparaging, complaining and extremely negative comments are all post by that same person, 'anonymous". Should I pay attention to him/her? I think not.

Comshaw

 

[lovecraft68]

I have three in LW as well all of which had different motivations.

My first "How do we look, baby" was in 2012 and a Burn the bastard story. The husband cheated the wife got revenge by screwing someone in front of him while he was tied to a chair. The story was as over the top as a Burn the bitch story with the husband being seriously mistreated and abused.

I did this as a fuck you to the standard BTB crowd by dosing them with a reverse of their own trash. Surprisingly the score wasn't awful, maybe 4.15 in its first couple months. Comments were even spread out from the hate to a few cheering it on and in between....that story over time has climbed over 4.5...I have an H in LW...holy crap

Story 2 was a parody, it was meant to be an over the top satire of the cuck genre and was an experiment to see if they were smart enough to know I was screwing around and this was not to be taken seriously. That story is under 3 and has some of the best abusive comments I've gotten here...not smart enough to know when they're being poked.

Story 3 was an actual serious effort to try and appeal to someone there. It was a bit of a misdirect, starts looking like a cuck story with the demeaning wife having sex in front of the husband who she is talking smack to, but at the end, turns out he loves it, and takes her hard and fast after her lover leaves because that's what gets him hot for her.

That one is around 4.25 so I guess I kind of missed the mark, but still some hate, but not a lot.

I won't bother there anymore. I do have one that would send them frothing, but I'd rather not even post there at all anymore.

 

[oggbashan]

Some countries and cultures do not accept the idea of fiction at all. If it is written it is either factual, or a lie.

I think some anons believe that too. They think everything written on Lit is a true account of a real event and therefore get triggered.

My femdom stories, particularly if there is an element of non-consent, can drive them to fury.

 

[TadOverdon]

I think some anons believe that too. They think everything written on Lit is a true account of a real event and therefore get triggered.

A few years ago I'd have said that no one could be that stupid.

Now I don't guess I'm even surprised that they can find each other and form a movement.