Rampage shooting audit.

[Wings]

I taught the little dude that putting tin foil in his mouth is the same as sticking a metal coat hanger in a socket while dripping wet.

Clearly you are doing this correctly.

 

[Ishmael]

Alinsky has become part of the mass response to those pesky social issues.

Unfortunately the facts as originally posted still stand unopposed. And to those I'll add another;

The police are 7 times more likely to shoot an innocent 'alleged' perpetrator of a crime than the citizen victim of said crime.

Ishmael

 

[blobfish]

The police are 7 times more likely to shoot an innocent 'alleged' perpetrator of a crime than the citizen victim of said crime.

WTF does this mean?

 

[fair_warning]

WTF does this mean?

I take it to mean that the victim of a crime, (ie: the guy whose house the burglar is in) is 7 times more likely to shoot the right person (duh, 'cos he's in his house) than the police who bowl up after the event and may just shoot any fucker that's in the vicinity that looks suss.

 

[Peregrinator]

WTF does this mean?

I believe he's trying to say that the police shoot seven times as many innocent people as victims shoot. The syntax could use a little editing.

 

[Ishmael]

I believe he's trying to say that the police shoot seven times as many innocent people as victims shoot. The syntax could use a little editing.

Probably, but you have the gist of it.

Ishmael

 

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[Ishmael]

Citizens are deputized, with the powers of citizen's arrest. Any citizen, at least in my state, can thwart the design of a felony, with deadly force if necessary.

Obviously forgotten, or conveniently overlooked, by the posters attempting to make light of the subject without addressing the real issue. Hell, not even attempting to try to argue the facts.

They behave as if they belong to some weird religious cult.

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

...The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.

Ishmael

...The police are 7 times more likely to shoot an innocent 'alleged' perpetrator of a crime than the citizen victim of said crime.

Ishmael

The latter explains the former.

 

[Ishmael]

The latter explains the former.

Amazing how that works out, heh? Unfortunately that number for the police is across the entire spectrum. It covers individual crimes, far more numerous, than demented mass shooters.

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

Amazing how that works out, heh? Unfortunately that number for the police is across the entire spectrum. It covers individual crimes, far more numerous, than demented mass shooters.

Ishmael

I just figured the innocent bystanders/potential rampage victims were more afraid of getting shot by the cops than the ersatz Lee Harvey.

 

[Ishmael]

I just figured the innocent bystanders/potential rampage victims were more afraid of getting shot by the cops than the ersatz Lee Harvey.

Statistically they should be,

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

Statistically they should be,

Ishmael

I think the vast majority of cops do a good job. Sure there are some cowboys and some criminals who obtained a badge. Still it's a job I'd not want, but respect.

 

[Peregrinator]

Probably, but you have the gist of it.

Ishmael

Why do you think that is? Trigger-happy cops? Precise civilian fire? Hesitation on the part of armed civilians?

 

[Ishmael]

I think the vast majority of cops do a good job. Sure there are some cowboys and some criminals who obtained a badge. Still it's a job I'd not want, but respect.

The problem is not the cops, or any 'cowboy' attitude. They want to live too and they have sparse information to work from. It is axiomatic that the victim knows exactly who the perp is, no room for confusion.

Looked at from that perspective is it any wonder that the stats are what they are?

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

Why do you think that is? Trigger-happy cops? Precise civilian fire? Hesitation on the part of armed civilians?

Are you thinking of rampaging soon?

 

[Ishmael]

Why do you think that is? Trigger-happy cops? Precise civilian fire? Hesitation on the part of armed civilians?

See my previous post.

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

The problem is not the cops, or any 'cowboy' attitude. They want to live too and they have sparse information to work from. It is axiomatic that the victim knows exactly who the perp is, no room for confusion.

Looked at from that perspective is it any wonder that the stats are what they are?

Ishmael

I disagree with "It is axiomatic that the victim knows exactly who the perp is, no room for confusion."
Unless you meant it in a certain context.

 

[Peregrinator]

Are you thinking of rampaging soon?

Always.

 

[stickwork]

Always.

What would you select for the most efficient victim count, and perhaps to keep cops off your back long enough to get some good stats?

One weapon.

 

[Ishmael]

I disagree with "It is axiomatic that the victim knows exactly who the perp is, no room for confusion."
Unless you meant it in a certain context.

I know who my attacker is. Period. The cops have only a description to work from. Capiche?

Ishmael

 

[stickwork]

I know who my attacker is. Period. The cops have only a description to work from. Capiche?

Ishmael

Non capito.

Unless you have a photographic memory and a great view of said attacker.

Being alive isn't really apposite, but I'll throw it in anyway.

 

[Ishmael]

Non capito.

Unless you have a photographic memory and a great view of said attacker.

Being alive isn't really apposite, but I'll throw it in anyway.

?????

Do I really have to have a photographic memory to defend myself from someone in the act of attacking me?

And if I don't have that said 'photographic' memory, well, you've made my point for me.

Ishmael

 

[koalabear]

What would you select for the most efficient victim count, and perhaps to keep cops off your back long enough to get some good stats?

One weapon.

Shotgun, the same as did most of the damage at the Batman movie.

 

[stickwork]

?????

Do I really have to have a photographic memory to defend myself from someone in the act of attacking me?

And if I don't have that said 'photographic' memory, well, you've made my point for me.

Ishmael

You wrote that it's axiomatic...
...nevermind.