Rabbit Eggs & Resurrection

[Guest]

So crucifying bunnies is just wrong?

Very difficult to do, given their anatomy. Plus they have such dental issues.

Perdita

 

[gauchecritic]

Bunny crucifixion is one of those highly emotive subjects that should really have a thread of its own. There are as many arguements for as against, and I really don't want to have to defend my position on what is supposed to be a light hearted discussion about Eastern Philosophy.

Gauche

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Bunny crucifixion is one of those highly emotive subjects that should really have a thread of its own. There are as many arguements for as against, and I really don't want to have to defend my position on what is supposed to be a light hearted discussion about Eastern Philosophy.

Gauche

I thought we were talking about eggs and bunnies?

 

[shereads]

Re: This has no basis in research

Like so many things Christian, as Perdita observes, at the beginning of the rise of the Son of God and His church, the known world was mainly owned by Rome, in it's wisdom the state, as well as conscripting locals to oversee their own countries, had the very sensible idea of allowing foreigners to worship whom they wished so long as they didn't foment any unrest and paid their Danegelt or delivered unto Rome what was Roman (or something like that)

As the Empire crumbled their was a political need for a new kind of government. So what was the one thing that all the conquered nations had in common? Religion.

So in order to sustain as much of the Empire as they could, Rome became a church instead of a military state and set about re-conquering all the countries that it used to own.

Now all these separate countries, and tribes within those countries had, for the most part, natural idols. The sun, moon, seasons, weather etc. These were the things that externally affected their everyday lives. They had traditions of appeasements and signs to keep away evil. Some of these (though by no means all) were holly wreathes, may poles, mistletoe, almost anything which represented prodigous reproduction (eggs, rabbits) and so on.

So in a similar way to the military wisdom of keeping local things local the church adjusted and adopted the strongest of local traditions and superstitions into their story of Christ.

The longest and most dearly held pagan worship was at the darkest time in the year, the longest nights and coldest too when they would cheer themselves up and co-incidentally pray to their gods to bring them spring which didn't look like it was going to come back after so long in the dark.

So this was a particularly good time to celebrate the birth of the Saviour of all mankind and not just your family or farm or local community. So the church moved Jesus' birthday from August (a roman month) to December (tenth month).

The next big thing was planting season. Brighter and longer days, more work able to be carried out in the fields and lots and lots of praying and appeasing and appealing to various gods for favourable outcomes. Dancing and laughter, girls ready for wedlock, the December rites worked lets all be happy and have some more. Here you are gods, we know how you work, look eggs, chickens lay loads of these so that must be how spring works, rabbits, fucking shitloads of them every year, so that must be how spring works. We realise how great you are and we're letting you know that we know.

So here's a good place to have the crucifixion. Actually dying to pay for all our sins.

But they don't do this on a fixed day, just the first rest day after the planting or first rest day after preparation for planting (not sure about that, no research as I said) In that case we'll make Easter, as they call it, so many days after septuagisima (what's that? I've no idea I just made it up.)

Right, so they rigged the two main feasts by altering the calender just a little but now they have two more minor feasts.
May day, whitsuntide, well dressing, Morris dancing to insure the planting gives yield. We'll call that pentecost then. (Did you just make that up? No it's there in the bible. But whitsun is a moveable feast like Easter. Well we'll have it, let me see pente, five, fifty days after Easter.)

Then harvest time, they have a really big blow out at harvest time giving thanks and the rewards from the field and all that. Well we'll call that exactly the same thing, just move it into the church. Harvest festival.

I'm pretty sure someone will want to correct every single thing about this, but that's how I see it. Pagan rites adopted into the church calendar.

Gauche

(•)(•) <--- eyes

Gauche, thank you. That's a damn fine story, plus it sounds true. Except for the crucifiction part, it also has the makings of a good bodice-ripper. Is that what the May Queen is up to in those hedgerows?

 

[shereads]

Easter is a fusion of Christian beliefs and Pagan rituals/celebrations.

I'm still hallucinating, or you're still a rabbit. Which is it? Don't lie to me, Lou, I can't handle it today.

 

[shereads]

Contrary to what most people think, Easter orginated in the Mysterious East, home of acrobats, magicians and clowns, hence the name. Since magicians use rabbits and clowns give out candy, the two were combined to give rise to things like chocolate rabbits and furry candy bars. The latter proved unpopular however and largely died out during the Reformation, though there are some places where “Mink” Marzipan, Angorra Halvah, and Fuzzy Toffee are still enjoyed. Or at least eaten.

Searching for “Easter eggs” comes from the Chinese practice of hiding eggs for a thousand years, and reminds us of the Biblical injunction, “As the lost egg stinketh, so stinketh the wicked of their iniquity.” Actually, looking for Eater eggs makes perfect sense. It’s understanding what drives people to hide them in the first place that confuses scholars.

---dr.M.

Dr. M, sometimes I think you make these things up. I may not be the sharpest skewer on the grill, but I went to college. And frankly, I'm skeptical.

Phildo, those eggs makes the colorful blue and green ones laid by Martha Stewart's special hens look...well, subtle. But yours are nice too.

 

[Guest]

Sher, they are Pysanky, Ukrainian Easter Eggs. P.

Uk. eggs

 

[shereads]

no one has mentioned Peeps.

Not for the squeamish, or for those who wish I wouldn't post it at every opportunity, but in the interest of medical science:

http://www.peepresearch.org/surgery/part1.html

 

[shereads]

Sher, they are Pysanky, Ukrainian Easter Eggs. P.

Uk. eggs

You and Phildo and Dr. Mabeuse and Lou think you can use a lot of science-talk or dress up like rabbits and I'll believe anything you say, as if you were Ahmad Chalabi or something. It won't work. At least Gauche made his answer sound credible.

Ukrainian eggs. We don't even know if there's life on Ukraine.

 

[rgraham666]

So crucifying bunnies is just wrong?

Yes.

But that doesn't stop it from being fun.

Yes, yes, I know. I'm am evil, scum sucking, bunny destroying monster. Would you like to know what's worse?

That's one of my redeeming qualities.

 

[Guest]

We don't even know if there's life on Ukraine.

I think you've lost a yolk, Sher. Surely you've heard of Chicken Kiev? Kiev is the capitol of Ukraine. I'm not going to cite my source cos you would make jokes about it.

"Ukraine was the center of the first Slavic state, Kievan Rus, which during the 10th and 11th centuries was the largest and most powerful state in Europe. Weakened by internecine quarrels and Mongol invasions, Kievan Rus was incorporated into the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and eventually into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The cultural and religious legacy of Kievan Rus laid the foundation for Ukrainian nationalism through subsequent centuries. A new Ukrainian state, the Cossack Hetmanate, was established during the mid-17th century after an uprising against the Poles. Despite continuous Muscovite pressure, the Hetmanate managed to remain autonomous for well over 100 years. During the latter part of the 18th century, most Ukrainian ethnographic territory was absorbed by the Russian Empire. Following the collapse of czarist Russia in 1917, Ukraine was able to bring about a short-lived period of independence (1917-1920), but was reconquered and forced to endure a brutal Soviet rule that engineered two artificial famines (1921-22 and 1932-33) in which over 8 million died. In World War II, German and Soviet armies were responsible for some 7 to 8 million more deaths. Although independence was achieved in 1991 with the dissolution of the USSR, true freedom remains elusive, as many of the former Soviet elite remain entrenched, stalling efforts at economic reform, privatization, and civil liberties."

Now stop making fun of us serious scholars.

Peep Perdita

 

[shereads]

Would you like to know what's worse?

Don't make come over there.

I'm not a card-carrying member of PETA, but only because I like Lancome mascara and it's still tested on animals. (You see the makeovers on some of those lab rats, though.)

Truly, I can't think about animals in pain. I get sick...I'll just scan the posts. But I hate to miss yours, rg. You're so clever and well informed when you're agreeing with me at the Sorry/Political/Asses thread.

 

[Guest]

I'm still hallucinating, or you're still a rabbit. Which is it? Don't lie to me, Lou, I can't handle it today.

Ok, I'll confess. The bunny has completely taken me over now.

Chuck me a carrot?

Lou

 

[Guest]

P.S. I'm up for a little mild crucification, if anyone has got nails longs enough?

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Ok, I'll confess. The bunny has completely taken me over now.

Chuck me a carrot?

Lou

Lou? will you be retiring the bunny suit after Easter or is this a whole new persona?

~A~

 

[Guest]

Lou? will you be retiring the bunny suit after Easter or is this a whole new persona?

~A~

Dunno - it's kinda got in my blood now, and I can see in the dark. That has many benefits.

Lou

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Bring in the Swede to teach the masses...

May pole doesn't really mean that the pole should be raised in the month of May. The name comes from the Swedish verb maja, which is an old word for "to dress". You dress the pole in leaves, hence the name, "dressed pole". The month of May got its name because it is the month when the world is dressing in flowers.
The May pole is raised at Midsummer, as a christian "clean fun" version of the traditional viking celebration of fertility. Wanna take a guess what the shape was originally..?

 

[McKenna]

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[Guest]

Yeah, Mack, I think Peeps have a shelf-life of a couple centuries. But I loved them as a child so I buy them and have to eat at least one a year.

Perdita peep peep peep

 

[McKenna]

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[McKenna]

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[Guest]

peep...

cartoon from here

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Peeps

Bleh, peeps! Those have got to be the nastiest Easter sweet out there!

Does anyone remember the AV of the peep smoking? Whose was that anyway?






P.S. Svenska- I like the Swedish take on "May."

I displayed the smoking peep as a public service, McKenna. It was from the medical peeps thread. I think I still have it...



I know adults who eat those things. I've never liked anything made of marshmallow unless it was a campfire marshmallow burned just to the point where it's about to fall into the fire. Would that work with marshmallow peeps?

 

[McKenna]

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[Guest]

Mack, your AVs only get more luminous and beautiful. P.