Question.

[RobDownSouth]

Little details are beginning to come out that are causing them some distress. Starting with the big one, the warrant and its execution were deeply flawed. Apparently attorney/client material was taken along with personal material, neither of which were specified in the warrant. Warrants require a great deal of specificity as to what is to be searched for and taken, specificity lacking in the warrant served. Several other details that may land this warrant before SCOTUS.

The need to secure top secret classified material transcends any purported "attorney client privilege".

#DerpDerpDerp\
#Deflection

 

[LukSkyFokker]

What's been fun has been watching the talkies on the left starting to backtrack on the wisdom of the raid.

Little details are beginning to come out that are causing them some distress. Starting with the big one, the warrant and its execution were deeply flawed. Apparently attorney/client material was taken along with personal material, neither of which were specified in the warrant. Warrants require a great deal of specificity as to what is to be searched for and taken, specificity lacking in the warrant served. Several other details that may land this warrant before SCOTUS.

There was nothing in the safe the feds cracked. Almost as if it was known they were coming.

Trump has been atypically cheerful about this whole thing and that's beginning to worry some of the principals on the left. What if they didn't get anything that they wanted? That would be terribly embarrassing, right?

According to their own statements the dispute over what records remained goes back to June. If those records were so sensitive why did they wait until Aug. to pull this off? More importantly on the 91st day before the midterms. Remember, 90 is a very important number when it comes to politically sensitive actions such as this.

There is also a rumor, unsubstantiated so far, that ALL of the surveillance systems weren't turned off. That could be embarrassing as well.

If criminal charges are brought the underlying affidavit is unsealed. Does the applying parties want that out in the public domain? Time will tell.

If indeed Trump anticipated and in a manner orchestrated this it will be the political coup of the century, perhaps the millennia.

One more item, the Presidential Archive laws that some folks are claiming would prevent Trump from holding public office DON'T apply the the president(s) themselves but I see that some folks are still grasping at that straw.

How could Trump know that he declassified all the documents if the government planted them?

Lol, yeah, he's a genius.

Bit early to be cracking open the box wine, eh?

You aren't seeing the left "backtrack". You're seeing the right continue to move the goal posts when their theories run dry.

The FBI searched the Trump residence for items that the former President illegally retained after his position expired. They subpoenad the items and 45s lawyers lied about returning them all.

Spin it however you want...the information being released continues to support the above while the right and 45 continue to pivot to unsubstantiated claims and flat out lies in the media.

The need to secure top secret classified material transcends any purported "attorney client privilege".

#DerpDerpDerp\
#Deflection

Ishtard thinks 45 was being clever and just baiting the FBI to own the Libz.

Like any good Ishtard thread.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

What's been fun has been watching the talkies on the left starting to backtrack on the wisdom of the raid.

Little details are beginning to come out that are causing them some distress. Starting with the big one, the warrant and its execution were deeply flawed. Apparently attorney/client material was taken along with personal material, neither of which were specified in the warrant. Warrants require a great deal of specificity as to what is to be searched for and taken, specificity lacking in the warrant served. Several other details that may land this warrant before SCOTUS.

There was nothing in the safe the feds cracked. Almost as if it was known they were coming.

Trump has been atypically cheerful about this whole thing and that's beginning to worry some of the principals on the left. What if they didn't get anything that they wanted? That would be terribly embarrassing, right?

According to their own statements the dispute over what records remained goes back to June. If those records were so sensitive why did they wait until Aug. to pull this off? More importantly on the 91st day before the midterms. Remember, 90 is a very important number when it comes to politically sensitive actions such as this.

There is also a rumor, unsubstantiated so far, that ALL of the surveillance systems weren't turned off. That could be embarrassing as well.

If criminal charges are brought the underlying affidavit is unsealed. Does the applying parties want that out in the public domain? Time will tell.

If indeed Trump anticipated and in a manner orchestrated this it will be the political coup of the century, perhaps the millennia.

One more item, the Presidential Archive laws that some folks are claiming would prevent Trump from holding public office DON'T apply the the president(s) themselves but I see that some folks are still grasping at that straw.

Get a load of Dr. Cardboardeaux in his Multiverse of Madness groove here.

Ish, you've obviously been squandering a gift for writing spec fiction. Shame you didn't go Hollywood.

 

[icanhelp1]

What's been fun has been watching the talkies on the left starting to backtrack on the wisdom of the raid.

Little details are beginning to come out that are causing them some distress. Starting with the big one, the warrant and its execution were deeply flawed. Apparently attorney/client material was taken along with personal material, neither of which were specified in the warrant. Warrants require a great deal of specificity as to what is to be searched for and taken, specificity lacking in the warrant served. Several other details that may land this warrant before SCOTUS.

There was nothing in the safe the feds cracked. Almost as if it was known they were coming.

Trump has been atypically cheerful about this whole thing and that's beginning to worry some of the principals on the left. What if they didn't get anything that they wanted? That would be terribly embarrassing, right?

According to their own statements the dispute over what records remained goes back to June. If those records were so sensitive why did they wait until Aug. to pull this off? More importantly on the 91st day before the midterms. Remember, 90 is a very important number when it comes to politically sensitive actions such as this.

There is also a rumor, unsubstantiated so far, that ALL of the surveillance systems weren't turned off. That could be embarrassing as well.

If criminal charges are brought the underlying affidavit is unsealed. Does the applying parties want that out in the public domain? Time will tell.

If indeed Trump anticipated and in a manner orchestrated this it will be the political coup of the century, perhaps the millennia.

One more item, the Presidential Archive laws that some folks are claiming would prevent Trump from holding public office DON'T apply the the president(s) themselves but I see that some folks are still grasping at that straw.

I mentioned in an earlier post that the warrant had unprecedented scope, no restrictions, no witnesses allowed, no specificity of search, trampled on every protected right coveted under the 4th amendment. Their hatred for Trump rises above our cherished bill of rights and the constitution. I guess they are oblivious to the definition of unreasonable search and seizure. More good for thee not for me.

 

[ll74]

I mentioned in an earlier post that the warrant had unprecedented scope, no restrictions, no witnesses allowed, no specificity of search, trampled on every protected right coveted under the 4th amendment. Their hatred for Trump rises above our cherished bill of rights and the constitution. I guess they are oblivious to the definition of unreasonable search and seizure. More good for thee not for me.

The warrant's scope was not unprecedented. Sorry to tell you.....it was a typical warrant based on the sought after material.

If you wish to argue the scope, then you must provide supporting evidence for that argument.

 

[butters]

If you break federal law, then it might happen to you. If you don't, then it won't. The FBI did not search his place because he was "cooperating" .....he took shit that didn't belong to him and didn't give it back.

45 isn't a victim here....no matter how much you want to make him out to be

his rights to even see, let alone have, the material spoken of was rescinded by President Joe Biden over security fears. he is not, legally, allowed to be involved in any of this stuff. period.

How could Trump know that he declassified all the documents if the government planted them?

Lol, yeah, he's a genius.

a stable genius at that... smarter than your average horse in the barn, he'll have you know

Or how much they try to victimize Trump.

Trump is innocent until proven guilty. Demands to see the affidavit that led to the warrant are a clear invasion of Trump’s privacy, and completely against our Constitutional values.

indeed

 

[butters]

i think most people here can see quite clearly what was going on:

• trump fully expected to continue as president.
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• when he couldn't, he removed a ton of stuff he shouldn't have and set up his own cabal of shadow government (or idiots, cult-members as we know them) to get Biden set aside and himself reinstated. He didn't want Biden's administration to have the documents/evidence...for assorted reasons

 

[Rightguide]

o.m.g

Presidents are not allowed to remove the kind of classified materials we're talking about from secured gov't facilities to their own, private beach residences and clubs.

any documents other ex-presidents have will have been cleared through the whole process required BEFORE being allowed to have them, to ensure national protection and authenticity of the National Archives.

documents marked as classified, top-secret and the status beyond top secret... documents that were not legally allowed to be removed in the first place. Documents relating to national security that are only ever supposed to be kept in a gov't secured facility.

he was subpoenaed for the missing documents, but didn't return all he should have. Inside information gave them reason to believe (and could no doubt confirm by checking other sources that would show records of certain documents' existence that were no longer in government possession) there was material of national security being kept in unsecure facilities. trump is no longer president... he has no right to have these documents. Mulvaney asserted on tv that he didn't even know trump had a safe at mar-a-lago —a singularly stupid thing to say but perhaps he meant one in which t would keep government material.

it was only last year(?) or the year before, that a woman was arrested at mar-a-lago for chinese espionage charges. T was keeping national security implicated material in an unlocked basement... if the DOJ is right, and i cannot see Merrick moving on this without it being airtight, nuclear information. The material was compromised. Whatever is still stamped as classified, has the agencies in question scrambling to discover how much harm t may have caused by having material he was never cleared to having. They have to decide what's still missing... and why: destroyed? stolen? altered? defaced? sold???

also this:
If found guilty of breaking the 1917 Espionage Act Trump could face up to ten years in prison, along with a fine, for compromising sensitive material related to U.S. defense.

and this, regarding 'declassified' status defense:

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-declassified-defense-after-fbi-raid-going-fail-mcquade-1733438

From your source:

"If true, this would also invalidate Trump's declassification defense, as presidents lack the authority to declassify nuclear information. The search warrant also revealed that the ex-president is under investigation for potentially violating the Espionage Act."

That statement is not true. The originating authority for ALL classifications of information lies with the President and HIS delegated authority:

The President Executive Order 13526 (Barack Obama)
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.

(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 3.5. Mandatory Declassification Review.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, all information classified under this order or predecessor orders shall be subject to a review for declassification by the originating agency if:

(b)Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section

So, how did Barack Obama get away with this if he didn't have the absolute power to say who has original classification authority, what is classified, when it's classified, and how it will be classified? Also, how could he have exempted himself, the Vice President, and his various officers from the requirements of a mandatory declassification review? The answer is the President has the sole originating power to classify and declassify any and all material "he" deems necessary to do so.

 

[KeithD]

The inescapable point is that declassification is a process, involving originating agencies and a paper trail. It's not something anyone does in the instant (and in this case eighteen months after the fact) by personal magic wand. Nor does that have anything to do with having taken documents owned by the U.S. government and stored them in your house (and claiming you'd returned everything when you hadn't). The inescapable truth is that none of the documents actually were declassified and Trump did steal them from the United States government and hide them for personal use. The even more damning effect of this is that Donald Trump is an espionage asset of Russia and a lawless blackmailer and obstructionist.

The outrageous hypocrisy here is what those who are defending him on this would be saying/doing if someone from the opposition had done this (which they haven't). The stupidity here is the Republicans clinging to this noxious toad and not just cutting him off and moving on.

 

[Rightguide]

The inescapable point is that declassification is a process, involving originating agencies and a paper trail. It's not something anyone does in the instant (and in this case eighteen months after the fact) by personal magic wand. Nor does that have anything to do with having taken documents owned by the U.S. government and stored them in your house (and claiming you'd returned everything when you hadn't). The inescapable truth is that none of the documents actually were declassified and Trump did steal them from the United States government and hide them for personal use. The even more damning effect of this is that Donald Trump is an espionage asset of Russia and a lawless blackmailer and obstructionist.

The outrageous hypocrisy here is what those who are defending him on this would be saying/doing if someone from the opposition had done this (which they haven't). The stupidity here is the Republicans clinging to this noxious toad and not just cutting him off and moving on.

How did Obama exempt himself from his own order?

 

[KeithD]

Obama didn't exempt himself from anything, you lying sack of shit.

Throwing lying shit up in the air to see what sticks isn't going to change reality. That's especially so if it's in the "I didn't take anything and if I did I declassified it first, and if it hasn't been declassified (because it if had been it would have been remarked on the cover) I gave it all back already and the . . . oh, look over there at the pretty birdie" "defense" line.

 

[ll74]

How did Obama exempt himself from his own order?

https://www.ksby.com/news/national/...d-documents-rejecting-trumps-claims?_amp=true

The National Archives corrected former President Trump, writing that while 30 million pages of unclassified documents were moved to a facility in Chicago, those documents were moved from the Obama administration's custody at the White House to a facility that the National Archives maintains, the New York Times reported.

The archives said the documents that went to Chicago are unclassified, and any classified documents remain at a facility in Washington, D.C.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

How did Obama exempt himself from his own order?

But...but...OBAMA!!!!!

Your guy is corrupt and a threat to democracy. Time to wake up and stop being an asshole.

 

[butters]

in 2018, after trump blabbing secrets, the media pushed for the documents saying they must therefore be declassified; trump's doj ruled that a president has to abide by established procedures

The Trump DOJ pushed back on this, however, and successfully argued that mere presidential proclamations are insufficient to formally declassify documents.

"The Times cites no authority that stands for the proposition that the President can inadvertently declassify information and we are aware of none," wrote the Second Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in its decision against the Times. "Because declassification, even by the President, must follow established procedures, that argument fails."

yet another fail

lols

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=05b17035f5594e5981916269e9015c39

 

[KeithD]

But...but...OBAMA!!!!!

Your guy is corrupt and a threat to democracy. Time to wake up and stop being an asshole.

Beyond that, I think it's time for the FBI to track Rightguard down and put him out of the malicious disinformation business.

 

[Rightguide]

Obama didn't exempt himself from anything, you lying sack of shit.

That EO I posted was his EO, you ignorant fool. In Section 3,5 He exempted himself and others. Read it. When finished go fuck your mother.

 

[ll74]

That EO I posted was his EO, you ignorant fool. In Section 3,5 He exempted himself and others. Read it. When finished go fuck your mother.

You continue to push this bullshit. Obama did not move classified documents out of the white house. They are still in DC. All other documents are in Chicago under ownership of the National Archives

 

[LukSkyFokker]

That EO I posted was his EO, you ignorant fool. In Section 3,5 He exempted himself and others. Read it. When finished go fuck your mother.

Obama's Presidency absolutely ruined your already feeble brain.

 

[butters]

You continue to push this bullshit. Obama did not move classified documents out of the white house. They are still in DC. All other documents are in Chicago under ownership of the National Archives

and the declassified stuff housed at the Obama presidential library where it's undergoing years' long work of changing it from paper documents (still retained) to digital in order for it to be openly available to the public.

all the documents were removed from the Whitehouse to a gov't secured facility for processing, after which the classified materials went where they were supposed to go (not to ex President Obama), others to the National Archives, and the rest to the library (if i have that right from all i've read).

 

[ll74]

and the declassified stuff housed at the Obama presidential library where it's undergoing years' long work of changing it from paper documents (still retained) to digital in order for it to be openly available to the public.

all the documents were removed from the Whitehouse to a gov't secured facility for processing, after which the classified materials went where they were supposed to go (not to ex President Obama), others to the National Archives, and the rest to the library (if i have that right from all i've read).

I'm so sick of the bullshit thrown at everyone to deflect and defend from 45.