Question.

[FGB]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

They weren’t supposed to be removed in the first place.
How do you know who could and couldn’t access them?

 

[ll74]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

He wasn't allowed to have them.

That's the problem. They asked for him to return them and he didn't.

Not to .mention that guests on the premises could steal them.

Adding, they may not have known what all was there until their informant told them

 

[Rightguide]

Obama took some 30 million documents when he left office and the National Archives is still negotiating. But he's a Democrat so all is cool. He also wrote this order Obama's executive order no. 13526 document classification and in Section 3.5 said the following:

(b) Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section.

 

[ll74]

Obama took some 30 million documents when he left office and the National Archives is still negotiating. But he's a Democrat so all is cool. He also wrote this order Obama's executive order no. 13526 document classification and in Section 3.5 said the following:

(b) Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section.

That's an incorrect statement. Obama moved documents via the official process. The National Archive has confirmed this.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/12/na...trumps-claims-obama-took-classified-documents

Stop your bullshit

 

[Sean]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

Trump's lawyers submitted an affidavit on 3rd June asserting that Trump had no classified documents in his possession.

 

[Rightguide]

That's an incorrect statement. Obama moved documents via the official process. The National Archive has confirmed this.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/12/na...trumps-claims-obama-took-classified-documents

Stop your bullshit

He took 30 million plus documents "after" he exempted himself from all classification restraints. As I pointed out in his EO. So do shut the fuck up. Oh, and how many of Obama's documents have been digitized to date as was required by the original agreement with the National Archives?

 

[Sean]

Obama took some 30 million documents when he left office and the National Archives is still negotiating. But he's a Democrat so all is cool. He also wrote this order Obama's executive order no. 13526 document classification and in Section 3.5 said the following:

(b) Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section.

Why do you lie so much, Vettebigot?

 

[Sean]

He took 30 million plus documents "after" he exempted himself from all classification restraints. As I pointed out in his EO. So do shut the fuck up. Oh, and how many of Obama's documents have been digitized to date as was required by the original agreement with the National Archives?

That is just not true. The national archives say it isn't true.

 

[ll74]

He took 30 million plus documents "after" he exempted himself from all classification restraints. As I pointed out in his EO. So do shut the fuck up. Oh, and how many of Obama's documents have been digitized to date as was required by the original agreement with the National Archives?

The National Archive already responded. You're full of shit.

 

[KeithD]

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

.

Bullshit. A clear violation of laws, starting with waltzing off with the material in the first place.

Squirm around, little worm.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

But, Hilary's emails and Benghazi!!!

 

[butters]

OK. Why Trump has lots of Government Documents at his house I do not know, but apparently Presidents do this...

He has Secret Service guards there 24/7/365 with Automatic weapons... The various government departments knew what was there and wasn't very concerned except they thought another lock was needed to keep them secured.
Trump had sent back what was in dispute or worried someone.

Any other problems seems like a Judgement call.

So WTF is all this crap really about?

Its not like a Hacker could access them.

o.m.g

Presidents are not allowed to remove the kind of classified materials we're talking about from secured gov't facilities to their own, private beach residences and clubs.

any documents other ex-presidents have will have been cleared through the whole process required BEFORE being allowed to have them, to ensure national protection and authenticity of the National Archives.

documents marked as classified, top-secret and the status beyond top secret... documents that were not legally allowed to be removed in the first place. Documents relating to national security that are only ever supposed to be kept in a gov't secured facility.

he was subpoenaed for the missing documents, but didn't return all he should have. Inside information gave them reason to believe (and could no doubt confirm by checking other sources that would show records of certain documents' existence that were no longer in government possession) there was material of national security being kept in unsecure facilities. trump is no longer president... he has no right to have these documents. Mulvaney asserted on tv that he didn't even know trump had a safe at mar-a-lago —a singularly stupid thing to say but perhaps he meant one in which t would keep government material.

it was only last year(?) or the year before, that a woman was arrested at mar-a-lago for chinese espionage charges. T was keeping national security implicated material in an unlocked basement... if the DOJ is right, and i cannot see Merrick moving on this without it being airtight, nuclear information. The material was compromised. Whatever is still stamped as classified, has the agencies in question scrambling to discover how much harm t may have caused by having material he was never cleared to having. They have to decide what's still missing... and why: destroyed? stolen? altered? defaced? sold???

also this:
If found guilty of breaking the 1917 Espionage Act Trump could face up to ten years in prison, along with a fine, for compromising sensitive material related to U.S. defense.

and this, regarding 'declassified' status defense:

"This defense will fail because the three laws that they selected to put on the search warrant don't require that the documents be classified," McQuade said to guest host Cori Coffin. "I think until we saw that unsealed search warrant on Friday, we expected that they would charge the statute that was used for General David Petraeus and [former NSA adviser] Sandy Berger, which does require the mishandling of classified information. Instead, they require only one charge of government records, another charge related to national defense, and another concealment of records when the government comes calling for them."

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-declassified-defense-after-fbi-raid-going-fail-mcquade-1733438

 

[Rightguide]

Bullshit. A clear violation of laws, starting with waltzing off with the material in the first place.

Squirm around, little worm.

BS, as usual.

 

[ll74]

BS, as usual.

If Obama made an Executive Order, that means he was President. So he has the authority

Trump wasn't

 

[phrodeau]

To answer the question, it’s about civil war. The 1/6 hearings showed how far Trump was willing to go to overthrow our government. Now we learn that he had substantial military intelligence in his hands, ready to distribute to all his despotic friends at home and abroad. Who knows how much of that he was able to copy and digitize before it was removed? The threat of Trump leading a war against the US is still very real.

 

[KeithD]

And the more that his followers cling to him, the more they deserve to go to prison as coupists along with him.

 

[butters]

Former federal prosecutor Barbara McQuade said Trump doesn’t have the power to declassify documents on his own. A president can request or initiate a declassification, she said, but the original classifying agency “must undergo a process to complete the declassification.”

Trump also floated the baseless suggestion that federal prosecutors could have planted evidence, and he falsely questioned the “33 million pages of documents, many of which are classified, that President Obama took to Chicago.”

The National Archives and Records Administration said in a statement it assumed legal and physical custody of the records when Obama left office. Records once were considered the property of a president, but that changed with the Presidential Records Act after Richard Nixon wanted to destroy Watergate-era documents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=59f536594b934de39635d445dbf2cf4b

and let's not forget trump's own signing into law of even tighter restrictions on the handling/storage of sensitive documents

 

[butters]

• J. William Leonard, former head of the U.S. National Archives’ Information Security Oversight Office and the government's overseer of classification of records, called it an extraordinary risk to take classified material to Mar-a-Lago. "It just boggles my mind in terms of how did we ever get to this point where, you know, we're concerned about the busboy catering wedding (at Mar-a-Lago) gaining access to nuclear secrets.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...sedgntp&cvid=202ca0681f8a4862bf3c55662046ce7f

 

[jaF0]

Has Vlad already seen his stuff?

State TV implies so.

 

[butters]

and what about the opinion of David Laufman, the former chief of the DOJ's counterintelligence division who investigated both Hillary Clinton and Patreus handling of classified documents?

when asked if he was shocked by the events:

" Well, if it were some other president, we might be completely shocked. But you know, in some respects it's not that surprising given this president's consistent flagrant disregard for the protection of classified information and disregard for the intelligence community throughout his presidency, his careless, reckless disclosure of sensitive classified information not only to foreign nationals, but to the heads of government of our foreign adversaries"... he went on to say it was "stunning".

"Well, the high volume of classified information, the level of sensitivity of that information, I mean, we're talking about multiple sets of top secret information, which by definition is defined as the disclosure of which could cause grave damage to the national security of the United States and then compound that with the category of top secret documents that were SC. I mean, those are documents that are sourced based on the most sensitive intelligence collection our government has. Most typically, intelligent electronic surveillance communications intercepts, through, for example, the National Securities, national securities agencies activities or CIA activities. So the fact he had SCSI material is out in the wild, so to speak at risk, is particularly stunning and particularly egregious."

get it now, fgb?

he continues to say the materials recovered completely bear out the validity of the narrative used to obtain the warrant and also validates the investigating of trump over these events.

see the full interview here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e14bce398447794822b7c74381be8&category=foryou

 

[FGB]

Well.
i guess we could always get another copy from the Russians or Chinese...

After all...It's NOT yellow cake Uranium is it.

If the Biden's and Clinton's haven't sold it yet...I think we are fairly safe.

 

[butters]

yeah, you're welcome for all the information i bothered providing

 

[butters]

An unauthorized disclosure of classified information or U.S. weapons could provide helpful information to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering U.S. nuclear systems. A damage assessment will evaluate the extent of the damage caused by an unauthorized disclosure.

The former president previously disclosed highly classified intelligence to Russian officials in 2017 that jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=45083cc4ab844f2faef7dbb8c543693a

 

[Fuzzy1975]

BS, as usual.

Yes, your posts are BS, thanks for admitting to that finally you dumbfuck American piece of shit....