Question about violence in a story.

[StoriesFromUK]

I am developing a series, part of it is that the hero protects the girl (and himself) from some attempted sexual assault, and she falls for him. It is partly dark humour.

Basically the baddies get hurt, like penis whacked with a mallet, or nail gunned, hero does not kill, nor remove any parts. Violence is not graphic just matter of fact. Hero and girl get out OK and unmolested.

Would it pass guidelines?

 

[bashfullyshameless]

So my own stories include decapitations, dismemberments, defenestrations, devourings, shootings, beatings, death by grenade, one suicide bomber (who manages to kill only himself), pistol-whippings, repeated attempted murders of police officers, guys being boiled by (magical) acid... and those are all pretty light-hearted stories.

There are other stories on this site that involve no-two-ways-about-it rape. (Those aren't my stories.)

I think you're probably fine. No sex involving anyone under 18, no necrophilia or bestiality. Those appear to be the rules.

 

[lovecraft68]

There are other stories on this site that involve no-two-ways-about-it rape.

But how can that be? Lit doesn't allow rape!

Thanks for posting this it not only proves my point, but made my day in doing so.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I am developing a series, part of it is that the hero protects the girl (and himself) from some attempted sexual assault, and she falls for him. It is partly dark humour.

Basically the baddies get hurt, like penis whacked with a mallet, or nail gunned, hero does not kill, nor remove any parts. Violence is not graphic just matter of fact. Hero and girl get out OK and unmolested.

Would it pass guidelines?

If the bad guys are the ones getting hurt, there should be no problem at all, especially it it is a Halloween story. However, the standards change, and what was okay a year ago might not be okay now.

Is Necrophilia not allowed? I had a Halloween Contest entry a few years ago about a mortician making love to the corpse of a beautiful young woman. It was posted to E/H, although it was really a fetish story.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Penis getting nail-gunned?

I'm not entirely sure. As others have said, you can get away with a lot of graphic violence on this site, but they do draw a line in the sand when it comes to malicious sexual violence.

For instance, I could have one of my characters repeatedly stab another character. But they could NOT reinact the 'lust' death from the movie se7en.


http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/926/926562/lust-guy-se7en-20081210114413359-000.jpg


Nail-gunning/beating a penis with a mallet might be going a bit too far.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think, but don;t hold me to this, there can be violence, but not sexual violence.

Shooting, stabbing, whatever is okay, but sexual torture or mutilation isn't allowed.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

My recently-posted story The Rescue starts that way. That got published without question. I added a note to it that the attempted rape was for plot reasons, because I wanted it in Erotic Couplings instead of Nonconsent section.

In my story the villains got karate-chopped and kicked in the balls, but no nail guns or anything like that.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I think, but don;t hold me to this, there can be violence, but not sexual violence.

For very narrow definitions of "not sexual violence" maybe. My definition of "violence" encompasses anybody being physically forced to have sex, and there are plenty that fit that category.

But if you're talking about violence in addition to that... I was going to say "can't recall seeing it", but on second thoughts, there would be some examples in EH. MEHydra's succubus stories, for instance. Maybe the rules/interpretations are different there.

 

[lovecraft68]

For very narrow definitions of "not sexual violence" maybe. My definition of "violence" encompasses anybody being physically forced to have sex, and there are plenty that fit that category.

But if you're talking about violence in addition to that... I was going to say "can't recall seeing it", but on second thoughts, there would be some examples in EH. MEHydra's succubus stories, for instance. Maybe the rules/interpretations are different there.

I'm referring simply to your mention of "no two ways about it rape"

The site has a make believe policy against it that they do nothing to enforce, but still claim they won't.

I get shit for bringing it up all the time so I'm glad someone posted here that those stories are here. For a fun exercise try reporting them and watch when none are removed.

MEH has a lot of violence in his, but I think they give EH/NH a little more wiggle room because of the subject matter.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

I seem to recall a guideline a while back that violence would be tolerated if it:

• Wasn't intended to be sexually arousing to the reader; and/or
• Was not arousing to the character in the story

So I presume that rules out "lovingly-described" violence, where the reader is supposed to enjoy it.

It would also rule out stuff like "he got an erection as he nail-gunned his victim".

I'm not Laurel, but I seem to remember her saying something along those lines a month or so ago.

 

[PennLady]

I think, but don;t hold me to this, there can be violence, but not sexual violence.

Shooting, stabbing, whatever is okay, but sexual torture or mutilation isn't allowed.

I don't think that's quite true. Daniellekitten had a couple of stories (not sure if they are still up), one involving a serial killer who most definitely sexually abused/tortured his victims. Another was a nonhuman story and the opening scene was a female hitchhiker getting a ride and then being raped. These were both suspense/thriller type stories so perhaps that's the key. The first story was "about" the serial killer in the sense that the authorities were looking for him.

And yeah, fighting, shooting, etc., is okay -- I've seen plenty of that in the mysteries and such on here. Even written some.

 

[myrionomos]

I have worked out a fairly detailed plot for a "loving wives" story. In the first chapter the principal character discovers his wife is cheating and works out plans of revenge against her and her lover. The chapter ends when he castrates his wife's lover. This is done without the slightest sexual arousal: it is purely revenge, a punishment.

At this point I anticipate that the "usual" loving wives readers will be wallowing in their 'hero's' triumph.

In the second part, the wife tells the story from her point of view, gradually revealing that her partners revenge is in reality a delusion and she has in fact out-witted him totally from the beginning. He ends up losing his life to cancer, his wife, his money, and the children he thought were his. The audience response might be interesting.

I haven't written it though, because despite the fact that the principal as a character is essentially asexual, the castration event is pivotal to the story, and I am unsure whether Lit would publish it.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

Doesn't sound any "worse" to me than the vampire stories where the vampire sucks a man off, bites him, blood spurts out, and he dies.

 

[TxRad]

Ah yes, Loving wives. Always a good place for a murder.

I had the hoard howling when the wife kills the abusive husband in the opening scene. But then someone noticed that she hadn't actually cheated with the younger brother, That messed with everyone's head.

 

[LettersFromTatyana]

I seem to recall a guideline a while back that violence would be tolerated if it:

• Wasn't intended to be sexually arousing to the reader; and/or
• Was not arousing to the character in the story

So I presume that rules out "lovingly-described" violence, where the reader is supposed to enjoy it.

It would also rule out stuff like "he got an erection as he nail-gunned his victim".

I'm not Laurel, but I seem to remember her saying something along those lines a month or so ago.

This. I remember a thread on story feedback (??) many months ago about a story in which a man is killed at the end by a bunch of women. The fact that he wanted to die--and that he found it arousing--wasn't the point. The violence was meant to arouse the other characters and the reader, which was a no-no. The story was eventually removed by the website.

ETA: Aha! It was in the editor's forum. Here it is, in four glorious pages:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=777329

Post 15 (mine) has a brief summary of the end, which appears to have been the problematic part; posts 4 (from Ogg) and 19 (from Pure) has some (very loose) guidelines that might be helpful. However, in re-reading the thread, it's unclear to me if the author voluntarily removed the story or it Lit removed it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I remember a chain called "The Literoticum Murders" which was about some authors here, including myself, being murdered in interesting ways. Of course, this was kind of a fun series, and we wrote about our own deaths.

It never occurred to me that this might not have been acceptable.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm referring simply to your mention of "no two ways about it rape".

I think you have me confused with bashfullyshameless. That's not a phrase I'm likely to use.