Publishing Rules

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

How would you react if your REAL name, your history your family was used in a fake story? Not one that you would like but one that might make you cringe. Not wrong?

Have you ever watched Saturday Night Live? They make fun, demean, ridicule, and attempt to humiliate political leaders (of both parties) all the time. No one ever sued them. They made fun of religious figures, actors, and writers; any celebrity is fair game. And any celebrity seeing a story about themselves on this site isn't utilizing their fame properly.

 

[Euphony]

Have you ever watched Saturday Night Live? They make fun, demean, ridicule, and attempt to humiliate political leaders (of both parties) all the time. No one ever sued them. They made fun of religious figures, actors, and writers; any celebrity is fair game. And any celebrity seeing a story about them on this site isn't utilizing their fame properly.

SNL, MAD, Cracked, Onion, Daily Show, Letterman, Tonight Show, Late Show, Colbert Report, Enquirer... all lie, for profit.

 

[AchtungNight]

Have you ever watched Saturday Night Live? They make fun, demean, ridicule, and attempt to humiliate political leaders (of both parties) all the time. No one ever sued them. They made fun of religious figures, actors, and writers; any celebrity is fair game. And any celebrity seeing a story about themselves on this site isn't utilizing their fame properly.

I use a club inspired by Saturday Night Live’s Butabi brothers skits in my ficverse. Many other SNL skits have also inspired me.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

SNL, MAD, Cracked, Onion, Daily Show, Letterman, Tonight Show, Late Show, Colbert Report, Enquirer... all lie, for profit.

Well, didn't think to list all the places that do parody. There's porn out there featuring Trump too. Well, not him, but an idiot who looks like an idiot with strange hair and orange skin tones.

 

[Euphony]

Well, didn't think to list all the places that do parody. There's porn out there featuring Trump too. Well, not him, but an idiot who looks like an idiot with strange hair and orange skin tones.

Listing was unnecessary other than to point out ALL the outlets OP is ignoring their sins of fabrication. They all arguably have far more reach and day to day effect on the celebs he's defending than here.

Honestly, OP arguments, the moral superiority, and the position shifting when counterpoints become problematic make for an utter mess.

 

[12oclocktales]

Can I write a story where Kamala Harris is buttfucking Trump while he is tied over an ottoman while yelling "Alright, you cracker asshole. Let's see how your MAGA people like seeing this! I told you to drop out of the race!"
And off to the side, Biden, on his knees blowing Obama, pauses for a second to say, "Thanks again for your endorsement, Boss!" Obama says "Joe, I told before, I am just helping the party! I got you elected the first time and between me and Kamala over there, we'll do it again. Get your mouth back on my cock. You just have to remember, Jill better lick Michelle's pussy really good or your blonde wife is gonna get the shit slapped outta her!"

It seems as if I read the exact same thing in one of those supermarket tabloids not too long ago, so if they hold copyright to it, I don’t know. Some of the facts from the article don’t jibe with what you say, either. For example, they have Biden blowing Trump begging him to quit the race and Jill, when she has finished with Michelle, is begging for any man’s cock from the press corps to screw her, it’s been so long getting anything from Joe, she’s desperate. Who knows what to believe anymore?

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Okay. I'll be more specific. I am talking about possible lebelous vs slanderous entries. Particularly in the Celebrity sections. People in the public domain are generally exposed to all kinds of abuse.... BUT.

Can I write a story where Kamala Harris is buttfucking Trump while he is tied over an ottoman while yelling "Alright, you cracker asshole. Let's see how your MAGA people like seeing this! I told you to drop out of the race!"
And off to the side, Biden, on his knees blowing Obama, pauses for a second to say, "Thanks again for your endorsement, Boss!" Obama says "Joe, I told before, I am just helping the party! I got you elected the first time and between me and Kamala over there, we'll do it again. Get your mouth back on my cock. You just have to remember, Jill better lick Michelle's pussy really good or your blonde wife is gonna get the shit slapped outta her!"

Seems to me that some of this would be over the top. Not even first amendment is going to cover that.

Also in the celebrity section are stories using real people and their backgrounds/careers in completely disingenuous situations. How about portraying Martha Stewart as an ex-crackwhore madam with stable of whores consisting of celebrities? (continued next)

Why would you want to?

 

[XerXesXu]

One for the Law-nerds:

A Tort for the Digital Age: False Light Invasion of Privacy Reconsidered​

21 Pages Posted: 4 Oct 2023

Benjamin C. Zipursky​

Fordham University School of Law

John C. P. Goldberg​

Harvard Law School
Date Written: October 3, 2023


https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delive...24120080064004122122083081&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

 

[SimonDoom]

One for the Law-nerds:

A Tort for the Digital Age: False Light Invasion of Privacy Reconsidered​

21 Pages Posted: 4 Oct 2023

Benjamin C. Zipursky​

Fordham University School of Law

John C. P. Goldberg​

Harvard Law School
Date Written: October 3, 2023


https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delive...24120080064004122122083081&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

This is a very interesting article. The authors say this to explain their view about the nature the "false light" tort:

On our view, false light, shares with public disclosure, appropriation of likeness, and intrusion upon seclusion a focus on the wrong of interfering unduly with the entitlement of a person to exercise a degree of control over how they present ordinarily private aspects of their lives to the public. In general, one has a lot of say about which intimate details of one's life are shared with others (intrusion upon seclusion and public disclosure). And one exercises comparable control as to whether and when one is prepared to be publicly associated with a commercial enterprise (appropriation of likeness). By the same token, one is entitled to exercise control over the flow of private information about them that is received by others. When D falsely presents putative private facts about P to the public, P unduly interferes with P’s right to decide whether and how to reveal certain sensitive matters to others.

That second comma makes me wince. An egregious miss by the law review editor.

That mistake aside, it's interesting to consider how this concept would apply to an erotic story on the Internet. A lot of it has to do with how famous and powerful the subject is. In the case of Trump, or other similarly famous public officials, I think they've given up a lot of control over how they are presented in the media. One cannot intentionally defame them. And one might be limited in one's ability to present distorted or negative accounts of things that happened in their personal lives. But the idea proposed in this thread doesn't fit either of those descriptions. It's just a completely outrageous and obviously false story intended for the purpose of humor or satire. I think it would be protected under the First Amendment, regardless of false light law. But I can imagine stories where that might not be so clear.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Says the ethics expert who writes abuse/mistreatment fanfic but "hides" it by not using the celebs stage name.

Where have I ever done that? I said I modeled my characters after real people i have known. i generally go for personality types than physical descriptions myself.

On a side note, I find it funny that you cannot say that George Clooney loves the food in your restaurant without his permission and likely paying him, BUT you CAN write a story describing him having sex in any manner you want.

 

[Euphony]

Where have I ever done that? I said I modeled my characters after real people i have known. i generally go for personality types than physical descriptions myself.

Did you get those co-workers, friends, ex-lovers, acquaintances, coffee baristas, etc. permission since you are committed to people being portrayed only as they wish to be?

On a side note, I find it funny that you cannot say that George Clooney loves the food in your restaurant without his permission and likely paying him, BUT you CAN write a story describing him having sex in any manner you want.

It's only "funny" to you b/c you are asserting your ethics as deciding what is appropriate for society and what isn't.

Yes, the law is imperfect and when those imperfections are such that society en mass feels a need to close gaps, there are processes to do so.

Stop substituting YOUR ethics for RIGHT in the binary of right and wrong. You don't speak for all of us. (or even the celebs you champion) And life ISN'T BINARY.

Plenty of people here have explained all of this to you. They'll move on to ignoring you next.

 

[MillieDynamite]

One is fanfic. No profit was received from the use of him as a character, while the other is profiting from his name and likeness. One is satirical, the other isn't. One is fiction, and the other is used to portray a real-world thing. One seeks to entertain the reader, and the other is designed to make money off his fame. The differences are clear and understandable. In matters of law, the difference between them is clearly defined.

Where have I ever done that? I said I modeled my characters after real people i have known. i generally go for personality types than physical descriptions myself.

On a side note, I find it funny that you cannot say that George Clooney loves the food in your restaurant without his permission and likely paying him, BUT you CAN write a story describing him having sex in any manner you want.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Did you get those co-workers, friends, ex-lovers, acquaintances, coffee baristas, etc. permission since you are committed to people being portrayed only as they wish to be?

I never used their identities nor got too close that anyone knowing them could recognize them. Modeling is not doing that.

Using my George Clooney example above, if your goal is to write a story about a tall, engaging man, why not just describe that personality? Model your character while you imagine the real person. If you are writing a totally fictionalized story that is the easiest and best.

Using the real person's identity is also quite lazy if you get down to it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Because you don't have to when you are writing FanFic, but if it isn't FanFic if it's a novel with him as the main character, or worse, a tell-all, you best not be derogatory while he's still alive unless you get permission. In fact, with out his permission best not to use him. Once it falls outside the FanFic world, and you'er attempting to make money, all bets are off.

I never used their identities nor got too close that anyone knowing them could recognize them. Modeling is not doing that.

Using my George Clooney example above, if your goal is to write a story about a tall, engaging man, why not just describe that personality? Model your character while you imagine the real person. If you are writing a totally fictionalized story that is the easiest and best.

Using the real person's identity is also quite lazy if you get down to it.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Because you don't have to when you are writing FanFic

I have no problem with a Fanfic story of Luke Skywalker using his light saber to cut Leia's bra and panties off and then screwing even though he knows they are siblings. But I see a difference writing about Mark Hamill screwing Carrie Fisher doggie style while she giggles that it is messing up her snorting her lines of coke on the movie set.

How about calling it 'fanfic' if a student writes a story about his esteemed local hero football coach doing the cheerleaders in the locker room. He could even say he meant it as fun because he had thing for both the coach and the cheerleaders. His statement he knew it was simply his imagination wold not absolve him. of course that author would have to leave town in a hurry. But no harm no foul.....

I stated this thread to see where people drew lines about what they could or could not write about. Ethical or not? Policy as much as legal.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Go for it.

How about calling it 'fanfic' if a student writes a story about his esteemed local hero football coach doing the cheerleaders in the locker room. He could even say he meant it as fun because he had thing for both the coach and the cheerleaders. His statement he knew it was simply his imagination wold not absolve him. of course that author would have to leave town in a hurry. But no harm no foul.....

 

[madelinemasoch]

I stated this thread to see where people drew lines about what they could or could not write about. Ethical or not? Policy as much as legal.

Easy. I can't write pedo shit.

Who the characters look like will never be a line to me unless I'm purposefully excluding using the likeness of a person because I no longer like them.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Legal, ethics, and morality are three separate things. A thing may be legally ethical and immoral at the same time. A lawyer comes up against that all the time. He has a legal obligation to defend even the guilty. He can, and they usually do, use ethical arguments that are morally reprehensible. Some things may be legal but both unethically and immoral, legal and ethical but not moral, or illegal but moral.

What you do is up to you.

What others do is on them. You can't force your personal interpretation of legal, ethical, or moral on others. Legal would be sorted out in a court (should it come to that), but ethics and morals are highly personal things. Some things are universally immoral (murder), but writing about them doesn't make one a murderer or unethical or immoral.

Most businesses operate on ethical and amoral grounds. Most of the time, amoral isn't immoral, either.

I have no problem with a Fanfic story of Luke Skywalker using his light saber to cut Leia's bra and panties off and then screwing even though he knows they are siblings. But I see a difference writing about Mark Hamill screwing Carrie Fisher doggie style while she giggles that it is messing up her snorting her lines of coke on the movie set.

How about calling it 'fanfic' if a student writes a story about his esteemed local hero football coach doing the cheerleaders in the locker room. He could even say he meant it as fun because he had thing for both the coach and the cheerleaders. His statement he knew it was simply his imagination wold not absolve him. of course that author would have to leave town in a hurry. But no harm no foul.....

I stated this thread to see where people drew lines about what they could or could not write about. Ethical or not? Policy as much as legal.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Easy. I can't write pedo shit.

Is that because you find it abhorrent or because of the 18 year old limit i the rules? I'm not talking little kids. Would you use a 16 year old girl in a story enjoying watching her sister get it on?

 

[AchtungNight]

I have no problem with a Fanfic story of Luke Skywalker using his light saber to cut Leia's bra and panties off and then screwing even though he knows they are siblings. But I see a difference writing about Mark Hamill screwing Carrie Fisher doggie style while she giggles that it is messing up her snorting her lines of coke on the movie set.

How about calling it 'fanfic' if a student writes a story about his esteemed local hero football coach doing the cheerleaders in the locker room. He could even say he meant it as fun because he had thing for both the coach and the cheerleaders. His statement he knew it was simply his imagination wold not absolve him. of course that author would have to leave town in a hurry. But no harm no foul.....

I stated this thread to see where people drew lines about what they could or could not write about. Ethical or not? Policy as much as legal.

I really should not engage with you, but I liken my fanfic to celebrity cameos on shows like South Park, Robot Chicken, The Simpsons, and the aforementioned Saturday Night Live. Many celebrities participate in roasts of themselves on those sorts of shows. Their personalities are fairly documented in most cases, exaggerated for effect in others. It advertises their acting skills.

There are also numerous actress interviews in soft core men’s magazines like FHM and Stuff. In those magazines women talk frankly about their experiences and what they like in lovers. I often base my characters on such interviews.

I also base my characters on characters I see actresses play well on screen. It’s not hard to do that.

As far as celebrities using drugs and other bad issues, I would not do such a thing if the problem wasn’t already documented by the celebrity themselves and backed by common tabloid propaganda. In your case, Carrie Fisher’s drug abuse is such. But still, be careful. Please.

 

[MillieDynamite]

In the movie Bound, a huskily voluptuous Jennifer Tilly and tomboy Gina Gershon played lesbian lovers. They did such a fabulous job that rumors still persist that both women are gay. They aren't; they only played their parts quite spectacularly. Was it immoral or unethical for them to play the parts? In fact, neither of them is even bisexual.

Is that because you find it abhorrent or because of the 18 year old limit i the rules? I'm not talking little kids. Would you use a 16 year old girl in a story enjoying watching her sister get it on?

 

[AchtungNight]

Is that because you find it abhorrent or because of the 18 year old limit i the rules? I'm not talking little kids. Would you use a 16 year old girl in a story enjoying watching her sister get it on?

Seriously, sir, go look at what you find acceptable in your own writings and then reconsider why you are writing this thread.

 

[Gamblnluck]

In the movie Bound, a huskily voluptuous Jennifer Tilly and tomboy Gina Gershon played lesbian lovers. They did such a fabulous job that rumors still persist that both women are gay. They aren't; they only played their parts quite spectacularly. Was it immoral or unethical for them to play the parts? In fact, neither of them is even bisexual.

Not at all. They are actors getting paid to play a part. How they represent a group of people or a lifestyle is a completely different thing. I was talking about using the person's real identity and making up actions.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Is that because you find it abhorrent or because of the 18 year old limit i the rules? I'm not talking little kids. Would you use a 16 year old girl in a story enjoying watching her sister get it on?

No. It's because of my own morality. We have social responsibilities to minors in my opinion. To sexualize them violates that responsibility.

I even turned down editing a story which was obviously trying to scrape past the pedo rule. The character was apparently of age, but looked like a 14 year old girl. The character she had sex with was an older man; the reason why he had to be an older man only made sense partway through the story. It was just pedo shit.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Seriously, sir, go look at what you find acceptable in your own writings and then reconsider why you are writing this thread.

Oh, I find many things acceptable in the world of fiction. As a matter of fact the example of the 16 year old girl above is well within my ethics. It is part of a story that I wrote on another site but could not publish here.
I even had a tongue in cheek comment on one of my stories where I engaged in animal abuse because I had my MC feed his wife's lovers' testicles to his dog.