Pro-Kevorkian

[Arctic_Fox]

Did you know that her brain had atrofied(sp)? There wasn't anyone in there.

If there is someone in there, they should be helped. She wasn't.

You need a brain to breath, your heart to beat, liquid food to digest and to cause reflexes. There was enough brain for all those functions. She was even able to hear

 

[Noor]

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Want an idea what it is like to have no quality of life...to pretty much be a zombie in a wheel chair, shitting and pissing in your pants because you can't communicate to anyone, because you had a stroke 3 years before while your only survivng son was away at seminary, and now you can't write or speak a six word sentance without the last 3 being garbled because of the aphasia from the stroke....can't eat and have to be fed from a tube, can't read because you have macular degeneration, be so deaf form working in the coal mines at 16 years old, then being a machine gun seargant during wwII before anyone thought to give you earplugs, that there's nothing that can be done...Can't lift you're right arm because of a snipers bullet that shatterred your shoulder, AND that you fell and frqactured the arm right below the fused joint....Then 8 weeks after that after you've healed from that in a hospital and a nursing home that had to be paid for out of pocket because of a fucked up insurance system.....Then you fall again and fracture your hip this time then get a hospital borne infection from it.....which ultimately shuts down your kidneys....

Tell me you'd want to live like that for a minute more???

And tell me if you were their son and they were looking up at you pleading for release....Tell me if then you too wouldn't think compassionate, medically assisted suicide was the right, thing to do....

Think I'm making this up? That was my dad, less then 2 years ago...

Wanna read what a typical day in the life of Revvy was back then...And why he had to give up full time church ministry for awhile (then take another non ministerial job to make up for about 60 thousand dollars lost income for a year and a half or so....

Before you think this is an intellectual exercise in typical GB fashion, to just say what you think... read a day in my life...or more importantly my the 87 year old late father's

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=15448428&postcount=1081

Or talk to me about the pm I received from a fellow litser who did for her their loved one what I didn't have the guts to do....

You did the best you could do, don't second guess yourself, hind sight is always better. I know it hard not to do, I do it myself, the if onlys can really do a number on you.

A year ago to this day, one of my family members was removed from life support by their choice. They had also chosen DNR, orders which were ignored twice not by family but by facility staff, the first time when they were brought back they were still themselves, the second they weren't. They were terminally ill, could not breath on their own, could no longer speak, or eat... It could have been okay for awhile but there were some mistakes in care. Even the life support removal was problematic, it was supposed to be in the morning but somehow didn't happen until night.
My post in memory was written after the second revival.

If you haven't been there, if you haven't had a love who you want so badly to protect, its hard to really understand it.

I think a big problem is that we can keep people alive but not make them better or even comfortable and pain free, and many times the medical community focuses on just keeping them alive. If someone isn't on the outside 24/7 making sure that everything is done properly, screw ups can happen. I have seen it many times, and near misses as well. Its usually not the individual doctors and nurses, but the system.

Medical care is guided by time and money. Those who are dying also worry tremendously about it. I know someone who was in their 90's, choose not to get treated for cancer, and literally said "save the money for the grandchildren" The most money spent on people for medical care is usually spent in the last couple weeks of their lives, often when the patients are not even conscious.

 

[MinkSoul]

You need a brain to breath, your heart to beat, liquid food to digest and to cause reflexes. There was enough brain for all those functions. She was even able to hear

You need a brain-stem to breath. Nothing on that video was processed through her cortex. The sad part was they only found out her brain wasn't working was through autopsy. We have no way of telling if someone in that condition has a functioning mind. She didn't. But they didn't know that until after she died.

It sucks because everyone involved in that case lost.

 

[Noor]

You need a brain to breath, your heart to beat, liquid food to digest and to cause reflexes. There was enough brain for all those functions. She was even able to hear

No you don't, my aunt was thinking and communicating without being able to do those things. Your mind being intact, and your body being able to function are totally separate issues.

 

[Arctic_Fox]

No you don't, my aunt was thinking and communicating without being able to do those things. Your mind being intact, and your body being able to function are totally separate issues.

I still think forced termination is wrong...DEAD WRONG

 

[NaughtyLil1]

You did the best you could do, don't second guess yourself, hind sight is always better. I know it hard not to do, I do it myself, the if onlys can really do a number on you.

If you haven't been there, if you haven't had a love who you want so badly to protect, its hard to really understand it.

That is very true. Setting aside my feelings to grant the wishes of my grandmother was very difficult for me. I don't think I'll every completely rid myself of guilt of maybe if I would have done this or that. I should have consolation in that fact that I did care for her in the way she wanted but I don't, not really.

Mink is right. No one every wins. It's a difficult circumstance, no matter your angle. Although the option isn't for everyone, it still should be in place for those who chose that path.

 

[Arctic_Fox]

You need a brain-stem to breath. Nothing on that video was processed through her cortex. The sad part was they only found out her brain wasn't working was through autopsy. We have no way of telling if someone in that condition has a functioning mind. She didn't. But they didn't know that until after she died.

It sucks because everyone involved in that case lost.

But she was breathing on her own

 

[garbage can]

I have a cousin with ALS she's in a support wheel chair now. But before the disease progressed she was a musican trying to raise funds for equipment and research. Here she is;

http://www.elizabethsconcertofhope.com/

Fox, how is she doing now, and how long is she expected to live?

I'm The patriarch of this family....I have to attend to these matters.

 

[Noor]

Fox, how is she doing now, and how long is she expected to live?

I'm The patriarch of this family....I have to attend to these matters.

I can't speak for Fox's cousin, however ALS can be really random. If you are lucky and get the extremity first kind, rather than the speech-swallowing-breathing loss first kind, you could last as long as 40 years like Steven Hawking. Once you are on a respirator the numbers I have seen are maybe 6-10 yrs unless something gets messed up.

Steven Hawking has the advantage of extremely good privately funded 24 hr care which most ALS patients do not have.

Let's see we have a Devil, patriarch, Queen, what else?

 

[Noor]

How much do you want to bet that with physician assisted suicide being legal, many families will try to coerce a loved one into committing suicide to save on medical bills.

The motivation: most of the money you spend on medical care is in the last years of your life.

Actually I suspect it will be the insurance companies who will encourage it to save money. Here they are already happy to help you do a durable power of attorney and living will.

 

[garbage can]

I can't speak for Fox's cousin, however ALS can be really random. If you are lucky and get the extremity first kind, rather than the speech-swallowing-breathing loss first kind, you could last as long as 40 years like Steven Hawking. Once you are on a respirator the numbers I have seen are maybe 6-10 yrs unless something gets messed up.

Steven Hawking has the advantage of extremely good privately funded 24 hr care which most ALS patients do not have.

Let's see we have a Devil, patriarch, Queen, what else?

Noor, I have two of Stephan Hawkings's books, IMO, he's the 2nd Einstein.
Yes, he has survived ALS for quite some time.....He can't speak anymore, but the amazing thing about ALS, it doesn't affect the brain.

My brother in law has been given 2 to 3 years.... he is already in the 1st stages of incapacitation...... I will help he and his wife through this.

Thanks

 

[Cade Is Here]

Well I know roryn and Lt are anti-white and sean comes in behind them so lets see what happens!!

 

[LittleJade]

In this, I have to stick with the teachings that were given to me as a child... and which I still hold dear...

I embrace life "from conception to its natural end".

 

[Cade Is Here]

In this, I have to stick with the teachings that were given to me as a child... and which I still hold dear...

I embrace life "from conception to its natural end".

please look at seans posts!!!

 

[garbage can]

Did you know that her brain had atrofied(sp)? There wasn't anyone in there.

If there is someone in there, they should be helped. She wasn't.

Mink, with ALS..... (Lou Gerhags <sp> disease) The brain does not atrophy.

It remains alive like Stephan Hawking... the body dies a slow death.

 

[garbage can]

please look at seans posts!!!

Sean is one of the nicest low level caustic mean mother fucking cocksuckers I've ever met.

Hi Sean................

 

[Cade Is Here]

Sean is one of the nicest low level caustic mean mother fucking cocksuckers I've ever met.

Hi Sean................

Oh yes that is true...
So whats up tonight buddy?

 

[garbage can]

Oh yes that is true...
So whats up tonight buddy?

*chuckle*........................I'm going to bed where I belong..........

 

[Cade Is Here]

*chuckle*........................I'm going to bed where I belong..........

Rough night tonight or just r & r?

 

[garbage can]

Rough night tonight or just r & r?

Problably R & R......though I do get tired of fighting with the loonies on the left.............

 

[Noor]

Noor, I have two of Stephan Hawkings's books, IMO, he's the 2nd Einstein.
Yes, he has survived ALS for quite some time.....He can't speak anymore, but the amazing thing about ALS, it doesn't affect the brain.

My brother in law has been given 2 to 3 years.... he is already in the 1st stages of incapacitation...... I will help he and his wife through this.

Thanks

I met him many years ago, he was speaking through a computer then.

The kind of als where one loses speech, then swallowing then breathing, while the rest of their bodies work fine, seems harder to deal with somehow, but maybe its just that its a quicker death.

 

[Image]

For the one that raised the point of "a higher power being the one to decide", I say this...

Why is it then OK to let doctors perform their miracles on preemies or children with fixable birth defects? Medical teams decide their fate when the higher power would have let the child die, naturally... No one in their right mind would consider not letting a team of doctors do everything possible to give the child a chance at life (and sadly not always good quality of life).

So they do play at god and so do the family members. That's acceptable but helping one pass over isn't? That's why I don't buy that particular argument...

 

[cjh]

no code me.

 

[Image]

And did Garbage Can just call me a fuckin' lunatic liberal?

 

[cjh]

And did Garbage Can just call me a fuckin' lunatic liberal?

if you call me that, does it mean you'll fuck my brains out?