Philando Castile

[MNGuy]

The video only shows what happened after the shooting.

I want to know what led up to it, what events put the officer on edge.

Without those facts, we just don't know.

I will reserve judgement until all the facts are known. I have heard almost nothing about what happened before the shooting.

To automatically judge the cop as a murderer is a rush to judgement. It just looks bad for him initially.

 

[sr71plt]

One wonders how it would have gone on if the guy hadn't had a gun, registered or not, to declare and for the cop to worry about. That could be why the NRA isn't saying much about it (if indeed they aren't saying much about it--I haven't checked on that). Could he be alive and kicking today if he hadn't been carrying a gun, registered or not, in the first place? Could his view of the second amendment have helped get him killed?

 

[about_average]

Why that one example? Do you have some reason to believe that he is pro-gun or neutral?

All the evidence points to him being neutral, at least in his rulings. I've seen none that would classify him as anti-gun.
It's just one example of Miles BS but one that is detrimental to the country, being short one justice.

I have no idea how strong he even was or is in the running as Obama's pick, but I cannot imagine Obama wanting to pick someone who was Pro 2nd Amendment can you?

Maybe he's just pro-bill of rights?

Of all the claims one might make, the idea that Obama's pick might be anti-gun seems less than outlandish. I have no idea one way or the other but the man's beliefs are.

That's the other reason people get away with making the BS claim, it doesn't seem outlandish so it's easy to spread the lie. Why bother questioning it, of course Obama would nominate someone who is an anti-gun nut.

 

[about_average]

For quite some time I found myself without a driver's license after a bit of a dispute with the city of Scottsdale. Whenever I got an assignment up in North Scottsdale I would rent a car to go up there rather than drive one of my beaters because I would get pulled over invariably in those neighborhoods.They would find a reason to pull me over. An obvious rental attracts no attention.

I've never in my life been able to rent a car without them photocopying my license, and I've been renting cars for almost 4 years. How'd you manage it?[/QUOTE]

 

[Lancecastor]

And what was the offense for probable cause of any kind that warranted getting murdered?

Funniest line in the whole thread.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Holy fuck.

Unless you're the cop...



What we've seen in this thread is people convicting the cop in order to promote the innocence of a career criminal.

 

[miles]

Unless you're the cop...



What we've seen in this thread is people convicting the cop in order to promote the innocence of a career criminal.

One of them has powers far beyond us mortals. She knows Castile was innocent because she saw the video. You know - the one taken after he was shot.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

At first I was pretty neutral, but this is too close to the pattern of Zimmerman and Ferguson...

:shrug:

I think this one is going to break the other way and sooner rather than later, but those people who decided instantly that this was an unjustified shooting will never abandon that position anymore than they will pay attention to the statistics that show if you are a black an encounter with a white cop, where it comes to a fatality outcome, is the safest encounter for you.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of them has powers far beyond us mortals. She knows Castile was innocent because she saw the video. You know - the one taken after he was shot.

Yeah, the video that shows the gun tucked into his waistband and not a holster and not in the back where most people keep their wallets.



Leads me to believe that he did not raise up and reach around...

 

[Disgustipated]

At first I was pretty neutral, but this is too close to the pattern of Zimmerman and Ferguson...

:shrug:

I think this one is going to break the other way and sooner rather than later, but those people who decided instantly that this was an unjustified shooting will never abandon that position anymore than they will pay attention to the statistics that show if you are a black an encounter with a white cop, where it comes to a fatality outcome, is the safest encounter for you.

lol, wut?

 

[Ishmael]

At first I was pretty neutral, but this is too close to the pattern of Zimmerman and Ferguson...

:shrug:

I think this one is going to break the other way and sooner rather than later, but those people who decided instantly that this was an unjustified shooting will never abandon that position anymore than they will pay attention to the statistics that show if you are a black an encounter with a white cop, where it comes to a fatality outcome, is the safest encounter for you.

So you read that study too. It made the NYT and a few other rags and now I'm wondering if it is going to get any traction? The raw stats from the FBI have always pointed in that direction and now we know for certain. BLM is based on a lie.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

The FBI have data showing that black lives don't matter?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So you read that study too. It made the NYT and a few other rags and now I'm wondering if it is going to get any traction? The raw stats from the FBI have always pointed in that direction and now we know for certain. BLM is based on a lie.

Ishmael

It's buried on page two right now...

Facts don't matter.

After every outrage, we are told don't blame Islam, the majority is GOOD!

Don't blame blacks for violence of a few (blame white people and guns, or both)!

But when it comes to cops, well I guess cops are not a Democrat constituency, so you can blame them in toto!

 

[miles]

At first I was pretty neutral, but this is too close to the pattern of Zimmerman and Ferguson...

:shrug:

I think this one is going to break the other way and sooner rather than later, but those people who decided instantly that this was an unjustified shooting will never abandon that position anymore than they will pay attention to the statistics that show if you are a black an encounter with a white cop, where it comes to a fatality outcome, is the safest encounter for you.

Of course. They will never abandon the narrative of The Big Lie. Never have. Never will.

 

[hashtag45]

Why are all the GB libs. getting up so early?
At this hour, it used to be mainly conservatives.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'll wager that if you polled the black community, you have more people believing that the gentle giant was shot in the back while on his knees with his hands up than there are people who believe Cheney ordered the Twin Towers blown up...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why are all the GB libs. getting up so early?
At this hour, it used to be mainly conservatives.

The emails from the DNC went out telling them that it was up to them to win the election for their party.

 

[miles]

I'll wager that if you polled the black community, you have more people believing that the gentle giant was shot in the back while on his knees with his hands up than there are people who believe Cheney ordered the Twin Towers blown up...

You'd get the same results from the Lit Kindergarteners.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Multicultural societies — from 19th-century Austria–Hungary to contemporary Iraq, Lebanon, the former Yugoslavia, and Rwanda — have a poor record of keeping the peace between competing tribes. They usually end up mired in nihilistic and endemic violence.

The only hope for history’s rare multiracial, multiethnic, and multireligious nations is to adopt a common culture, one that artificially suppresses the natural instinct of humans to identify first with their particular tribe. America, in the logical spirit of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, was exceptional among modern societies in slowly evolving from its original, largely European immigrant population to a 21st-century assimilated, integrated, and intermarried multiracial society, in which religious and racial affiliations were incidental, not essential, to one’s public character and identity.

But such a bold experiment was always tenuous and against the cruel grain of history, in which the hard work of centuries could be easily torn apart by the brief demagoguery of the moment. Unfortunately, President Obama, ever since he first appeared on the national political scene in 2008, has systematically adopted a rhetoric and an agenda that is predicated on dividing up the country according to tribal grievances, in hopes of recalibrating various factions into a majority grievance culture. In large part, he has succeeded politically. But in doing so he has nearly torn the country apart. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to suggest that no other recent president has offered such a level of polarizing and divisive racial bombast.

...

Victor Davis Hanson
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/437668/print

 

[richard_daily]

Unless you're the cop...



What we've seen in this thread is people convicting the cop in order to promote the innocence of a career criminal.

Traffic violations make someone a "career criminal" in your eyes?

If you actually believe that, you're stupider than I thought.

 

[hashtag45]

The emails from the DNC went out telling them that it was up to them to win the election for their party.

lol…
Up till now, my theory was: someone who's inclined to have more conservative views = more conscientious, so an early morning riser.

 

[Disgustipated]

Traffic violations make someone a "career criminal" in your eyes?

If you actually believe that, you're stupider than I thought.

Unless dispatch informed the murdering officer that Castile was armed and wanted- why is this even an issue?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"... [W]hen a society reaches a point at which the remedy — honest dialogue and debate — is considered worse than the disease — racial animosity — then chaos and disintegration are the prognoses."

VDH, NRO

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

lol…
Up till now, my theory was: someone who's inclined to have more conservative views = more conscientious, so an early morning riser.

There is that.

 

[richard_daily]

Unless dispatch informed the murdering officer that Castile was armed and wanted- why is this even an issue?

Because Fawkin Injun is a situational racist.

If this guy was a white rancher, do you think he'd be looking at traffic violations and calling him a 'career criminal'?

Him and all the other wingnuts are looking for something, anything that they can say to discredit a man who was murdered for doing nothing other than exercising his second amendment rights.