Our poor Communities Are Eating Themselves

[JohnEngelman]

^^^That's the dumbest interpretation of black history in the USA that I've ever heard.

Ever hear of the slave ships, slave sales, slavery, the Civil War, the Jim Crow era, "separate but equal" doctrine, Edmund Pettus Bridge, Emmett Till, etc?

Seeing humanity from a eugenics perspective has made you one of the most racist posters on this board.

What happened to blacks in the past does not explain, and it certainly does not justify, black social pathology now.

Jews were persecuted for two thousand years. This persecution culminated in the Holocaust. Today the Ashkenazim are the most accomplished race in existence. Persecution of European Jews selected them genetically for high intelligence. Jews were not allowed to practice most trades. They were allowed to practice finance. Finance required learning complex skills. Jewish men who could not learn the skills had no children, or they left the faith. Because Jews were often expelled from countries this selected them genetically for the ability to be adaptable, and to learn new languages.

During the turn of the last century there was a vast immigration of very poor Jews to the United Stats. Within two generations so many of them were entering Harvard that quotas were developed to keep them out.

Of course, there are Negroes who behave and perform well. They deserve our admiration and our compassionate concern. When they were growing up many of them were ostracized, and some were beaten up by other Negroes for acting white.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What is your solution to retail theft?

More punishment. Many stores in high crime areas are hiring armed security guards. They are placing locks on produce.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Ultimately that's a separate conversation though.

Not really. When Orientals came to this country during the last century most were very poor. They behaved and performed better than most whites, so they rose economically.

 

[DraggonStone]

More punishment. Many stores in high crime areas are hiring armed security guards. They are placing locks on produce.

Punishment has a cost. Taxpayers pay that cost. Do you have any knowledge of the cost of punishment? Do you have any knowledge of the cost of armed security?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Punishment has a cost. Taxpayers pay that cost. Do you have any knowledge of the cost of punishment? Do you have any knowledge of the cost of armed security?

Criminals do not become good people when we ask them to be nice. During the 1960's the prison population declined. the civil rights legislation was passed into law. The War on Poverty was declared. The crime rate doubled.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not really. When Orientals came to this country during the last century most were very poor. They behaved and performed better than most whites, so they rose economically.

Being poor isn't the issue. But you're trying pretty hard to stick on this subject with your love of Orientals for some reason. You wonder why we all call ou a bigotted piece of shit. This is it.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Being poor isn't the issue. But you're trying pretty hard to stick on this subject with your love of Orientals for some reason. You wonder why we all call ou a bigotted piece of shit. This is it.

You have an unusual definition of bigotry. I prefer Orientals to people of my own race. I also admire Jews.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What is your solution to retail theft?

It's already being implemented. Close the stores in areas prone to high rates of retail theft. Go with automated stores. Pay when you order or you get nada.

Koreans will step in to fill any gaps and make good money from it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

.....I prefer Orientals to people of my own race....

A man with impeccably good taste. Congratulations.

 

[DraggonStone]

Criminals do not become good people when we ask them to be nice. During the 1960's the prison population declined. the civil rights legislation was passed into law. The War on Poverty was declared. The crime rate doubled.

You're missing the point. I'm not talking about liberalism, woke or any of the buzzwords
some associate with crime in the USA. The problem is so much more complex than you want to believe. Unless you have some true knowledge of the problem and not just an opinion you've pulled out of your ass, it would be a waste of my time to trade posts with you. Do some research to see what it costs your state to house a state prison inmate. Housing is just one of many costs.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Not really. When Orientals came to this country during the last century most were very poor. They behaved and performed better than most whites, so they rose economically.

When you came here from China back then, literally anything was better. They were in the midst of the Taiping Rebellion when Chinese started trickling over here. Estimates of the conflict's death toll range between 20 million and 30 million people, representing 5–10% of China's population at that time. It was the worst revolution / civil war you can ever imagine with wholesale massacres and executions by either side. America, for all the ill-treatment and exploitation Chinese suffered, was just about heaven by comparison. And of course Chinese worked hard and fitted in. That's what we do and why we almost all have English first names. LOL. We do that everywhere.

 

[DraggonStone]

It's already being implemented. Close the stores in areas prone to high rates of retail theft. Go with automated stores. Pay when you order or you get nada.

Koreans will step in to fill any gaps and make good money from it.

So, the people who choose to work minimum wage jobs in retail rather than steal or receive public assistance can join the criminals committing retail theft? That's your solution?

 

[coati]

What happened to blacks in the past does not explain, and it certainly does not justify, black social pathology now.

Jews were persecuted for two thousand years. This persecution culminated in the Holocaust. Today the Ashkenazim are the most accomplished race in existence. Persecution of European Jews selected them genetically for high intelligence. Jews were not allowed to practice most trades. They were allowed to practice finance. Finance required learning complex skills. Jewish men who could not learn the skills had no children, or they left the faith. Because Jews were often expelled from countries this selected them genetically for the ability to be adaptable, and to learn new languages.

During the turn of the last century there was a vast immigration of very poor Jews to the United Stats. Within two generations so many of them were entering Harvard that quotas were developed to keep them out.

Of course, there are Negroes who behave and perform well. They deserve our admiration and our compassionate concern. When they were growing up many of them were ostracized, and some were beaten up by other Negroes for acting white.

You are a classic example of a sheltered and privileged white guy who generalizes different racial and ethnic groups into categories of superiority/inferiority. Throughout history, this creepy practice has been used as the pretext for repression, abuse, wars and genocide. It is based on dehumanizing large groupings of people.

You are not the scholar you think you are. You're an unethical hack who perpetuates the dehumanization of black people, as well as Muslims and probably other groups of people. I have no respect for your pompous approach to "rating" ethnic and racial groups. Your bigotry rivals that of Trump.

 

[Chernosoth]

Urban food deserts could be the leading edge of what will eventually happen everywhere: small stores with specific types of merchandise and general stores replace the supermarkets. A general store might be closer to 7 Eleven size than dollar store size.

 

[ChloeTzang]

So, the people who choose to work minimum wage jobs in retail rather than steal or receive public assistance can join the criminals committing retail theft? That's your solution?

Those jobs are going away. Anything that can be automated or replaced by technology. Burger chains. Retail. You name it. No good fighting it, that just makes you 21st century Luddites

 

[ChloeTzang]

You are a classic example of a sheltered and privileged white guy who generalizes different racial and ethnic groups into categories of superiority/inferiority. Throughout history, this creepy practice has been used as the pretext for repression, abuse, wars and genocide. It is based on dehumanizing large groupings of people.

You are not the scholar you think you are. You're an unethical hack who perpetuates the dehumanization of black people, as well as Muslims and probably other groups of people. I have no respect for your pompous approach to "rating" ethnic and racial groups. Your bigotry rivals that of Trump.

Stereotypes exist for a reason

 

[dmallord]

Sorry, I'm a bit protective of that moniker since I worked very hard to achieve such an extraordinary and exalted label. Not everyone can be an Ass and most only manage to prove that they're the ordinary type of sphincter.

Ahem... You've certainly earned those bragging rights. No argument over that.

 

[dmallord]

More punishment. Many stores in high crime areas are hiring armed security guards. They are placing locks on produce.

Bananas with chastity belts? Mellons pierced with chains? What else?

 

[DraggonStone]

Those jobs are going away. Anything that can be automated or replaced by technology. Burger chains. Retail. You name it. No good fighting it, that just makes you 21st century Luddites

I understand that, but my question to you was to ask if you had a solution to crime. My point you consider the cost that is paid by us taxpayers. It is imbecilic to think harsher treatment and penalties was a realistic answer to the crime problem. You have to consider the cost or leave it up to government correction officials. Either way, you're going to pay the tax.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You are a classic example of a sheltered and privileged white guy who generalizes different racial and ethnic groups into categories of superiority/inferiority. Throughout history, this creepy practice has been used as the pretext for repression, abuse, wars and genocide. It is based on dehumanizing large groupings of people.

You are not the scholar you think you are. You're an unethical hack who perpetuates the dehumanization of black people, as well as Muslims and probably other groups of people. I have no respect for your pompous approach to "rating" ethnic and racial groups. Your bigotry rivals that of Trump.

You can't answer my argument, so you insult me.

When I was a child, a teenager, and a young adult I made excuses for black social pathology. When I got older, I got tired of making excuses. Now I am tired of hearing them. I admire people and races who are intelligent, who obey the law, and who do not have illegitimate children. People like that can be found in all races, but they are more frequently found in some races than in others.

Two generations since the civil rights legislation was passed and since the War on Poverty was declared I think we have the right to expect better behavior and performance from most blacks.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I understand that, but my question to you was to ask if you had a solution to crime. My point you consider the cost that is paid by us taxpayers. It is imbecilic to think harsher treatment and penalties was a realistic answer to the crime problem. You have to consider the cost or leave it up to government correction officials. Either way, you're going to pay the tax.

OK, big guy, what is your solution to crime. Social reform and social welfare spending never reduced the crime rate. We should have learned that during the 1960s.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Bananas with chastity belts? Mellons pierced with chains? What else?

No. Locked cabinets, or you have to order them from a staff member. That pushes up the costs but it can be cheaper where theft rates are high. The customer always pays tho

That's what theyre actually doing - putting everything in locked cabinets. A low trust society

 

[ChloeTzang]

I understand that, but my question to you was to ask if you had a solution to crime. My point you consider the cost that is paid by us taxpayers. It is imbecilic to think harsher treatment and penalties was a realistic answer to the crime problem. You have to consider the cost or leave it up to government correction officials. Either way, you're going to pay the tax.

Oh, I have solutions. You wouldn't like them.

80% of crimes are committed by people with 3+ offences. My solution? Just take everyone who hits three offences and execute them on the spot. Don't try and reform them. Three strikes and you're removed from society. Permanently. You can make it four or five, just to be sure. At that point it's the same people anyhow. They're npt reformable. They will keep committing crimes. They are a blight on society, and like a blight, they need to be eradicated. Which they generally are, but less formally and more in an ad-hoc manner.

There's others but you wouldn't like them either.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Bananas with chastity belts? Mellons pierced with chains? What else?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Oh, I have solutions. You wouldn't like them.

80% of crimes are committed by people with 3+ offences. My solution? Just take everyone who hits three offences and execute them on the spot. Don't try and reform them. Three strikes and you're removed from society. Permanently. You can make it four or five, just to be sure. At that point it's the same people anyhow. They're npt reformable. They will keep committing crimes. They are a blight on society, and like a blight, they need to be eradicated. Which they generally are, but less formally and more in an ad-hoc manner.

There's others but you wouldn't like them either.

ChloeTzang, I like your solutions a lot.