Our Moral Compass Is Mislabeled, Not Broken

SINthysist

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David C. Stolinsky
Thursday, April 25, 2002


Suppose I was lost in the forest and came upon a compass lying on the ground. If I picked it up and found it was smashed, I would sadly discard it and find my way as best I could.

But what if the compass appeared intact but had been mislabeled by a malicious prankster? What if "south" had been labeled "north"? I would trust the compass and follow it further into the forest, until I died of exposure.

Many authorities have described our "broken" moral compass. I respect these people, but they are incorrect. If our moral compass were merely broken, it would point in random directions. People would go their own ways, without rhyme or reason. But that isn't what is happening.

True, some non-conformists go their own ways, following their personal whims. But most people are not wandering off in all directions. Most people are moving in a specific direction. Most people are not picking up a smashed moral compass and finding it useless – they are picking up a mislabeled compass and are being misled by it.

Everyone sees things from his own point of view. I am a physician, so let me cite two medical examples.

Circumcision dates from antiquity. From the time of Abraham, it has been practiced for religious reasons. But now health benefits have become evident. For some time it has been known that circumcised men have a lower incidence of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and cancer of the penis.

More recently it has become apparent that their female partners have a lower incidence of STDs and of cancer of the cervix. Most cases of penile and cervical cancer are caused by a virus, so these cancers might be considered STDs. [For a current article on circumcision, see the New England Journal of Medicine, April 11, 2002, at http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/346/15/1105.]

Even more interesting, there are now over 30 studies showing a lower incidence of HIV and AIDS in circumcised men and their female partners. That is, having an uncircumcised partner is a risk factor for cervical cancer and for STDs including AIDS.

Yet how many public health officials inform the public of this evidence? How many feminist advocates inform women of these facts? And if they don't, why not?

On the contrary, a leading radio doctor condemns circumcision and even advises men how to have it surgically reversed. Leading pediatric groups remain neutral on the subject. Many public health authorities remain silent. Why?

Is it out of concern with the minimal pain involved for a newborn, or with altering the natural appearance of the human body? If so, why does this same radio doctor (and other authorities as well) speak neutrally about tattooing and body piercing, which are more painful and can spread hepatitis and other infections?

To help me make my point, assume for a moment that the Old Testament forbids circumcision instead of requiring it. Assume that the Bible requires tattooing and body piercing instead of forbidding them. Assume that no Jews are circumcised but most non-Jews are. What then?

I can't prove it, but I believe most health advocates would be urging parents to have their baby boys circumcised, and many feminists would advise women to seek circumcised partners. Meanwhile, warnings about the danger of tattooing and body piercing would be more common.

My point is that what the Bible requires, we avoid, even if it is healthful. And what the Bible forbids, we do, even if it is unhealthful. Am I jumping to conclusions? Or are there other examples?

There is evidence that if a woman has an abortion before she has a full-term pregnancy, her risk of breast cancer is increased. The evidence is not unequivocal; some studies fail to show an increased risk of breast cancer. But prudence dictates that this possible risk be described to women, especially teens, who are considering an abortion.

Indeed, more than prudence dictates that informed consent be obtained before a medical procedure – in most cases, the law requires it. However, although breast cancer is surely a leading concern of women, many public health officials and feminist advocates remain silent on this issue. Why?

Once again, what religion forbids, we do. And what is more, we do it without giving women the information needed to make an informed choice.

Yet we call this being "pro-choice," when in fact we deliberately limit women's choices. We describe this as showing "respect" for women, when in fact we show contempt by not trusting them with information. We congratulate ourselves for being "pro-woman," when in fact we treat women like small children who need information to be given out in sugarcoated form.

Of course, there are many examples in areas unrelated to health. Consider the issues of single mothers, single-parent adoption, gay adoption and gay marriage. Consider cheating on school exams, shoplifting, cursing in public places, near-nudity in public places, and blatant sex and gratuitous violence in films and videos.

Consider the difficulty some people have in distinguishing murderers from their victims, whether at Sbarro's Pizzeria in Jerusalem or in their own home town. Consider the people who support late-term abortion of viable fetuses, and at the same time oppose capital punishment for convicted murderers – and see no contradiction.

These and many other issues are often described as people "going their own way" or "following their own path." These descriptions are accurate as far as they go, but they don't go nearly far enough.

We are not merely "going our own way," wandering here and there as the mood strikes us. All the examples above, and many others you can easily supply, reveal that many people – perhaps most – are not milling about aimlessly, but are moving in a specific direction.

If you doubt this, ask Evangelical Protestants, traditional Catholics or Orthodox Jews what their religion teaches on a specific subject. The "modern" or "progressive" approach will probably be the exact opposite. See how often this prediction is correct.

Like rebellious children, we spend our whole lives doing the opposite of what our Father wants. We convince ourselves that we are independent adults making our own choices, when in fact we are still controlled by our Father's wishes – but in reverse.

Our moral compass is not broken. The needle continues to point in the same direction. But "south" has been mislabeled as "north." And for a generation, these reversed compasses have been handed to kids by parents, teachers, government officials, various advocacy groups and – yes – even some clergy.

"Broken moral compass" is a convenient but inaccurate description of the problem. Our moral compass has been altered, inverted and in fact sabotaged by those who are unwilling or unable to follow a legitimate compass, but who conceal their accountability by inducing the rest of us to go along with them.

There is still time to repair our moral compass. All that's needed is to compare our compass with a genuine one and re-label the directions. The real difficulty comes in following the corrected compass. The genuine path isn't always easy. Often it leads uphill and over difficult terrain. But it is always straight, and eventually it will get us home again.
 
SINthysist said:
There is still time to repair our moral compass. All that's needed is to compare our compass with a genuine one and re-label the directions. The real difficulty comes in following the corrected compass. The genuine path isn't always easy. Often it leads uphill and over difficult terrain. But it is always straight, and eventually it will get us home again.

Wow, this article threw me for a loop -- I had no idea this was the conclusion to which the author was aspiring until halfway through... So, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but basically all this guy wants us to do is convert to Christianity? That seems to be what he is suggesting. Become brainwashed, follow the herd, stop challenging the wisdom of the bible, for chrissakes, and just meld into one grey mass of human clay.

Not in my lifetime, pal. The church is just as influenced by people who "go their own way" as society is influenced by views held by the church. It's a two-way street, and to say that people like me, who he describes according to the Christian love with which I'm sure he was raised ( :rolleyes: ), are the problem in the world today for not following the bible's teachings is ludicrous. It's people who challenge what they're told that have made the world the better place it is to live in today. One of the most important improvements, in my opinion, is the great influx of rights for those who used to be oppressed by the church in one way or another: women have more rights, homosexuals have more rights, minorities have more rights, etc.

By not following Christian doctrine to a tee, we are opening up avenue after avenue of scientific discovery, including being able to accept theories of evolution and the big bang, most obviously. Would the author who wrote this article claim that Christians who accept evolution and/or the big bang theory are part of the problem too? Because all they're doing is realizing that their religion does not fully support the scientific evidence that is out there, and changing their beliefs accordingly.

In short, change is not always a bad thing -- many people would say change is almost never a bad thing. Going against authority is not always a bad thing. Questioning what you've been told and forming your own opinions is not a bad thing. These are all lessons I think this author needs to learn, before he spews out any more of this naive bilge. :p
 
I am not so concerned about where morality should or could stem from.

I do believe that as a whole, humanities sense of morality has been skewed by centuries of figureheads with hidden or even open agendas and directed by hedonism. For many, morality changes with the wind. What is acceptable on one day, isn't acceptable on the next day, because it doesn't suit their needs or feel good.

Example: Some who is pro life, changes their stance upon becoming unexpectedly pregnant.

Example: Figurehead.... Baptism. A common teaching has been that children must be baptized as infants. In the event of their unfortunate and premature death, a child who is not baptized would go to purgatory as the result of the veneal (not sure-i get these mixed up) sin. Infant baptism actually began during the the time when the Catholic church ruled England and the nobles baptized their children in order to remain in good stead with the church/state. Important to note: it was the church that shared this information with me.

Outside stimuli also impacts morality. We are a product of our community and as our community evolves, so does our thinking. It is difficult to define our morals and values and remain true to them. Thirty years ago, pro life was common and accepted. Now, pro life means you are an ignorant tight assed conservative with no empathy. (Not my opinion, just my observation of other's opinions)

Right is Right. Wrong is Wrong. A few things fall into a grey area. The solid, concrete values are and should be...hurting others is wrong. Period. End of story.

I believe this. I live this to the very best of my ability. But, like anyone else, I contradict myself. I am pro death penalty.

Time and circumstances have changed how black and white morality can or should be.

My compass is as fucked up as anyone elses. I would say it isn't broken and mislabeled. I would say the compass is broken and has little or no directional ability. The needle wanders.
 
I can only speak of my own experiences. First of all Im not a religious person, Yet, I see the need to live my life with a certain moral compass. The 10 Comandments are not a bad thing, A nice guideline so to speak. From personel experience I learned that adultry destroys families. Not a good thing to do to your spouse and your children. I suspect murder is also not a good thing to do also. Since that time many years ago, when I was confronted with my misdeeds I have tried to live my life based on what is right and wrong on a moral level. I have found that if I make decisions based on what is morally correct many problems are avoided. Works for me anyway. However, I also think that for some people the compass will always be broken.
 
bored1 said:
I can only speak of my own experiences. First of all Im not a religious person, Yet, I see the need to live my life with a certain moral compass. The 10 Comandments are not a bad thing, A nice guideline so to speak. From personel experience I learned that adultry destroys families. Not a good thing to do to your spouse and your children. I suspect murder is also not a good thing to do also. Since that time many years ago, when I was confronted with my misdeeds I have tried to live my life based on what is right and wrong on a moral level. I have found that if I make decisions based on what is morally correct many problems are avoided. Works for me anyway. However, I also think that for some people the compass will always be broken.

My impression is that the Ten Commandments are simply a list of what is logical for people to do/not to do. It may be a bit extreme in places, but for the most part I think the Ten Commandments were formed based on the observation of people placed in various social situations (like someone who is married having sex with another person, or a person having sex with someone who is married to someone else) and declaring "This is right" or "This is wrong" accordingly.

If someone takes the bible as God's word, then I can see why he might say that "it is wrong because the bible says so" -- especially in the case of the Ten Commandments. However, a simple glance at people's social behavior will show that it seems to be common sense to act in ways that correspond with what the commandments decree.

Even if the bible is God's word, one could argue that there were people living in all sorts of situations before the Ten Commandments were "sent down," and God made judgement calls based on what he witnessed. Those who honored their father and mother lived a "better" life. Those who did not kill lived a "better" life. Those who did not commit adultery lived a "better" life, and so forth. ("Better" assuming it was through God's point of view that these judgements were made.) God just picked and chose and came up with the top ten list. Eat your heart out, David Letterman.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that morality is a social code that religion just happened to pick up on. Religions -- like laws -- organize people, except that religions may do it more effectively, since followers believe it is the higher power in which they believe decreeing that they act a certain way, not a mere mortal.

To be more effective as a moralist, rather than as a Christian, the author of the article should have concentrated more on morality as a social institution, not as a religious one. He could still argue that we are not on the right track because there is so much debate about what is right and what is wrong, but I understand that was not his point.

I'm just rambling, forgive me.
 
A decent bit of rambling:

Yes, the Ten Commandments are a great template for those who need guidance.

Wouldn't you agree that we all need guidance? At least as little children? No one is born with a sense of morality. It is learned.

Some never learn it and thus, end up serving life without opportunity for parole....or other sentences. That is, if we are lucky enough to catch them.

Whether we recieve our guidance from our parents, family, school or church is irrelevant.

I do agree that as a whole, the article would have been better recieved and more effective had the author spoke in terms of social conciousness and morality or society's role in morality.
 
MissTaken said:
My compass is as fucked up as anyone elses. I would say it isn't broken and mislabeled. I would say the compass is broken and has little or no directional ability. The needle wanders.

LOL, MissT. *mental note: don't let her lead the expedition, unless we're up for some serious adventure*
 
The history of human social development - eg in relation to care for the weakest in our communities - shows a "progress" from primitive times in which anyone not sufficiently able to survived was left to their won misery - until today when many states have legislation to protect our weakest members.
Human personal moral development also appears to progress through stages see Kohlberg, for instance:
http://www.nd.edu/~rbarger/kohlberg.html

When looking back through human history I think it is possible to identify parallel stages as humanity itself has become morally mature. The Ten commandments belong to the stage of childhood in which rules play the most important role for deciding on behaviour. Most of us grow past that. So, too, has humanity grown beyons accepting religious commandments.
This doen't mean that former rules are obsolete - simply that in our moral decison repertoire we have a greater range of options - and medical, scientific knowledge could be used to confirm for us to the value of past laws; to help us decide to retain them - or perhaps to reject them.
 
I've had problems with religion. This is an understatement, but suffice to say that I've read the Bible, and I don't think I'm reading the same book everyone else is.

The problem I run into with many Christians is that they see this book and assume its author is God. That it manifested one day, complete, perfect, and conveniently in English. If you take the ten commandments, then take the stuff Jesus said, and set the rest aside for just a moment, it's not even the same book.

Plus there are those gospels that got left out of the final product. Even though their stories add up with the Big Four, a few other things got mentioned on the side that didn't secure enough personal power for the Church, so they were declared heresy.

Then you've got Paul who converts after Christ's death and sends letters to the fledging churches telling them how to be Christians. First of all, these were letters to specific people under specific circumstances. Secondly, he contradicts Jesus in places and even says he does. To paraphrase loosely, "Okay, I know the boss said to do it this way, but I want you to do this instead." Marriage is an example. Jesus said not all people are cut out for marriage. Paul said, "I know he said that, but I'm telling you to get married so you won't commit sexual sins out of wedlock."

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Paul was a bad guy. I think he was a good guy trying to do a good thing, but Paul was human, and as such capable of making errors. The Bible itself was written by humans. Again, nice people, but JC says himself that all men fall short of the glory of God. They sin. They make mistakes.

People get the Word of God mixed up with the Bible all the time. The Word refers to God's unspeakable name. It's a jumble of letters that can't be pronounced, but if you plug in a few vowels randomly, you get something like Yahweh. That is the Word. The Bible is a bunch of documents written by some guys, and then some other guys decided which documents got to say and which documents got the boot. Jesus was long dead (and ascended into Heaven according to some) by the time this happened.

Does that mean the Bible is useless? Not at all. It contains the history of a people, their laws, their beliefs, and, in the New Testament, the accounts of those who knew a man many people believe is the son of God. The Ten Commandments are a pretty good idea, all in all. The stuff Jesus is quoted as saying? Lots of good stuff there. It is an important work. It is not, however, an infallible work. Nothing made my mortal hands is going to be without fault, which is what it says in the very book that's being venerated as without fault. This part makes my head hurt.

Check your moral compass, but remember to look around and gauge it against your surroundings. Is the sun setting in the west? Is it rising in the east? How's this for perfect guidance: it always does. Every day. Check this against your compass. Look at the world around you. If the sun is rising in the west and setting in the east, then you've gotten yourself turned around and you need to get back on track. You don't need a compass, broken, misguided, or otherwise, to tell you that.

To translate the metaphor back into cleverly veiled religion-speak: the Bible has some good stuff in it. It's definitely worth reading, but it is a book written by people. People are not infallible. If you want to behold the Word of God, take a look around you. If you want to go north, put the compass away and look to the sun. It's always on course.

This is another post that will get buried, I suspect, because it's exactly the kind of stuff no one really wants to hear. :)
 
On the contrary, naudiz, your post was eloquently put and addressed the article's issues perfectly. :)
 
I concur with Busty

I think you articulated very well, naudiz. I was on my way out of Lit, and paused to catch up here. What a pleasant read, naudiz. In some way, I feel connected to your expression. Maybe because I don't possess a compass...I use the realities around us...like you.:)
 
That's pretty-much how I feel about the bible, naudiz. Well put.
I'm not one to decide morals for everyone else and I wonder why some people feel the need to.
 
Sweet! Thank you. :)

I got kicked out of church for saying stuff like this. I guess the first rule of performance applies: consider your audience. ;)
 
CB

The guy was careful to state that many studies proved no link.

If only The Commission on Civil Rights had been so fair with it's report on the election of 2000...



Propoganda is the shouting of lies (truth needs only be whispered, remember?). This is just a discussion...
 
Nope.

When I read this article, I just scratched my head...

I posted it merely to see who would respond and what they would say.

Just curiosity...
 
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