Orange ass-clown Trump wants to take over Gaza, kill all the Palestinians

It is mutually genocidal at this point.

My question to you was rhetorical. Netanyahu left a door open (in the form of a cheap unguarded chain link gate) for a cheap and violent attack by Hamas. It then escalated into Netanyahu's excuse for wiping out a huge civilian population in Gaza.

You are sheltered from that grand scale of carnage in your Los Angeles condo. Trump is making the situation even worse.
Israel's actions have never been genocidal. I'm glad that you now recognize that Hamas' actions have been. Accusing Israel of genocide has always been a baseless slur intended to obscure the Arab agenda of wiping out Israel.
 
Israel's actions have never been genocidal. I'm glad that you now recognize that Hamas' actions have been. Accusing Israel of genocide has always been a baseless slur intended to obscure the Arab agenda of wiping out Israel.
Wrong. With Israel now teaming up with Trump to wipe out or expatriate the entire Palestinian population of Gaza, Israel has now demonstrated the intent aspect of genocide. Hamas is also intent on genocide-- they just don't have the military power to pull it off.

Hence, my statement regarding mutual genocide. I don't care of you see yourself as a progressive. This major conflict is headed in the wrong direction.
 
Wrong. With Israel now teaming up with Trump to wipe out or expatriate the entire Palestinian population of Gaza, Israel has now demonstrated the intent aspect of genocide. Hamas is also intent on genocide-- they just don't have the military power to pull it off.

Hence, my statement regarding mutual genocide. I don't care of you see yourself as a progressive. This major conflict is headed in the wrong direction.
Israel has long had the capability to commit genocide in Gaza. Instead of doing so, they supplied the Gazans with food, water and power. They continued to do so even after the Gazans murdered innocent Israelis and took them hostage. The Gazans could end this war tomorrow by releasing the rest of the living hostages and returning the bodies of the murder victims.

"Both sides" arguments are only used to protect bad actors. Usually they're deployed to protect the Republicans, but in the case of Israel, they're used to protect antisemites.
 
The Arabs / “moslems” knew what they were / know what they are financing when they fund Hamas, etc:

The deadly gambit of funding terrorism by the Arab / Muslim states / nationals was / is to expel any and all non-Arabs / Muslims (or influence) from the region for two reasons / purposes:

1: Establishing an ideologically homogenous region in the heart of the Middle East for security & stability. (That hasn’t worked out too well so far - and evangelical "Christians" have a similar agenda involving America that is destined to fail as well.)

2: Control of “The Holy Land” (Israel / Jerusalem, etc) due to its value as a religious tourism destination . (A second Mecca is the dream of the Arabs / Muslims in the region - and I also have zero doubts that SOME Israelis would love to monopolize ALL of “The Holy Land” for “reason / purpose #2.)

It is what it is.

I understand it, but I don’t have to like it - and I certainly will NOT help facilitate it.

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Why are the moslems so keen on Jerusalem and the area around there? Mecca, Medina, Qom etc etc etc are all much more important to Islam than Jerusalem, that wasn't even conquered by moslem armies until after Mohammad's death! Sure, they built a big mosque there, desecrating the jewish holy place they built it on top of (as moslems have done in many other places, such as the Great Omari Mosque built over a Byzantine christian church or the Babri Mosque built by the Mughal overlords of India), but really, for the moslems to demand Jerusalem when it's so unimportant to their faith and so important to others' faiths?
 
If you pat yourself any harder on the back, I'm certain you'll strain something. Speaking of 'straining', your initial response strained credibility, and claiming your 'made your position clear' is obfuscation at best. I asked you if you personally felt that protesting against the Israeli 'kill them all!' campaign in Gaza should be considered 'criminal' anti-Semitism.



Ah yes, "tricksy tricksy two-faced moslems (sic), the root cause of all problems... :rolleyes:


Ah the old "outside influencer" trope. I noticed you conveniently left out the fact that the Israeli navy has blockaded virtually all imports (food, medicine, construction supplies) to the Gazan people for over 15 years now. Israel has a chokehold around the neck of the people of Gaza, content to slowly but surely strangle them. And yet they are shocked....shocked I tell you!....when the 'prisoners' revolt. (Spare us the rote 'but but they voted for Hamas in 2007!' reply...that dog don't hunt).

And your crass appeal to emotion about the 'bodies of dead Jewish toddlers' smacks of press releases from the Israeli propaganda ministry. (I'm reminded of the breathless Iraq-stealing-incubators-from-Kuwait-leaving-dead-babies stories from 1990, i.e. complete works of fiction).

In any event, the 10:1 casualty ratio of Gazan women and children to Israeli women and children stands on its own against your pearl-clutching about 'dead Jewish toddlers' who may or may not have ever even existed.

In any event, I'll give you one final opportunity to go on record with your opinion as to whether or not peaceful protests against Israel violence (let's assume that the nominal violence at some portion of the Columbia protest was 'wrong') rise to the level of "criminalized free speech and anti-Semitism".
Can't you read? Here, I'll repeat what I wrote earlier:

"I'm very much in favour of free speech. Go ahead and wave a Hamas flag or a Palestinian flag or a "God Hates Fags" banner or a swastika or a Confederacy stars-and-bars. As long as you're not screaming "Get the Jew!" and smashing windows and dousing walls with red paint, go ahead, protest all you like!"

Do you not agree that I've already answered your question about "peaceful protests"? I'll give you "one final opportunity" to "go on record"!

As for the "blockade," well, do you think the Royal Navy should have allowed Nazi shipping to pass unhindered while V-2 rockets were falling on London?

As for the "works of fiction," well, Hamas did, in fact, kidnap and murder jewish toddlers.
 
Israel has long had the capability to commit genocide in Gaza. Instead of doing so, they supplied the Gazans with food, water and power. They continued to do so even after the Gazans murdered innocent Israelis and took them hostage. The Gazans could end this war tomorrow by releasing the rest of the living hostages and returning the bodies of the murder victims.

"Both sides" arguments are only used to protect bad actors. Usually they're deployed to protect the Republicans, but in the case of Israel, they're used to protect antisemites.
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Why are the moslems so keen on Jerusalem and the area around there? Mecca, Medina, Qom etc etc etc are all much more important to Islam than Jerusalem, that wasn't even conquered by moslem armies until after Mohammad's death! Sure, they built a big mosque there, desecrating the jewish holy place they built it on top of (as moslems have done in many other places, such as the Great Omari Mosque built over a Byzantine christian church or the Babri Mosque built by the Mughal overlords of India), but really, for the moslems to demand Jerusalem when it's so unimportant to their faith and so important to others' faiths?

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I literally spelled out why I believe they want it…

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I suppose you just want to pile on???

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The Gazan civilians have no power or capacity to force Hamas to return the remaining hostages. Those Palestinian civilians are struggling just to survive from day to day.

The current government of Israel is not exempt from the legal definition of genocide against those Palestinian civilians.
 
Can't you read? Here, I'll repeat what I wrote earlier:

"I'm very much in favour of free speech. Go ahead and wave a Hamas flag or a Palestinian flag or a "God Hates Fags" banner or a swastika or a Confederacy stars-and-bars. As long as you're not screaming "Get the Jew!" and smashing windows and dousing walls with red paint, go ahead, protest all you like!"

Do you not agree that I've already answered your question about "peaceful protests"? I'll give you "one final opportunity" to "go on record"!
Addressing your deflection by repeating your deflection? How unserious.

Let the record show that you were given a chance to go on record as to whether you believed flying a Palestinian "watermelon" flag was 'free speech' or rose instead to the legal threshold of 'criminal anti-Semitism' and you opted not to answer each time.

That speaks volumes as to your political leanings.

As for the "blockade," well, do you think the Royal Navy should have allowed Nazi shipping to pass unhindered while V-2 rockets were falling on London?
Equating the Israel invasion terrorists as akin to the British Royal Navy and the Gazans as akin to the Nazis is blood libel. Shame.

As for the "works of fiction," well, Hamas did, in fact, kidnap and murder jewish toddlers.
Highly doubtful. 'murdered Jewish toddlers' reeks of AIPAC propaganda.
 
The Gazan civilians have no power or capacity to force Hamas to return the remaining hostages. Those Palestinian civilians are struggling just to survive from day to day.

The current government of Israel is not exempt from the legal definition of genocide against those Palestinian civilians.
The freed hostages have described being held in private homes. It's impossible to distinguish Hamas from the civilian Gazans who are allied with them.
 
Highly doubtful. 'murdered Jewish toddlers' reeks of AIPAC propaganda.
Kfir Bibas was kidnapped on October 7th. His body was recently returned as part of ceasefire deal. All of Israel had been praying that he and his brother Ariel would be returned alive, but a forensic examination revealed that they had both been strangled to death in November 2023.

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Addressing your deflection by repeating your deflection? How unserious.

Let the record show that you were given a chance to go on record as to whether you believed flying a Palestinian "watermelon" flag was 'free speech' or rose instead to the legal threshold of 'criminal anti-Semitism' and you opted not to answer each time.

That speaks volumes as to your political leanings.


Equating the Israel invasion terrorists as akin to the British Royal Navy and the Gazans as akin to the Nazis is blood libel. Shame.


Highly doubtful. 'murdered Jewish toddlers' reeks of AIPAC propaganda.
Do you seriously believe the murders of Ariel and Kfir Bibas were faked?

Equating Hamas and Nazis seems pretty reasonable. Didn't they go house to house on October 7, killing some and dragging away others, just like Einsatzgruppen?

You just now asked me about "flying a Palestinian watermelon flag" being free speech? Didn't you notice that on several occasions I'd already spoken to that issue. Once more, I will REPEAT the words you apparently did not or could not read: "I'm very much in favour of free speech. Go ahead and wave a Hamas flag or a Palestinian flag or a "God Hates Fags" banner or a swastika or a Confederacy stars-and-bars . . . "
 
The freed hostages have described being held in private homes. It's impossible to distinguish Hamas from the civilian Gazans who are allied with them.
That does not justify killing civilians who have no control over those holding the hostages. Bombing the shit out of hundreds of civilians is not an acceptable action under international law.
 
That does not justify killing civilians who have no control over those holding the hostages. Bombing the shit out of hundreds of civilians is not an acceptable action under international law.
Israel has not "bombed the shit out of hundreds of civilians". Hamas operates out of civilian buildings and inflates its casualty numbers.
 
Israel has not "bombed the shit out of hundreds of civilians". Hamas operates out of civilian buildings and inflates its casualty numbers.
You can believe whatever narrative you want from the relative comfort of middle class USA.

I hope that both Trump and Netanyahu are prosecuted for crimes against humanity for initiating their plan to kill or expatriate Palestinians from Gaza.
 
You can believe whatever narrative you want from the relative comfort of middle class USA.

I hope that both Trump and Netanyahu are prosecuted for crimes against humanity for initiating their plan to kill or expatriate Palestinians from Gaza.
I wish I didn't have to worry about antisemitism in the United States. But seeing what people have done and said here since October 7th, I don't feel safe anymore. I've seen swastika graffiti in my own neighborhood and protesters harassing Jewish students at UCLA. Particularly disappointing has been witnessing antisemitism coming from people on the left who are willing to fight for other civil rights causes. Their commitment to justice doesn't extend to the Jews.
 
I wish I didn't have to worry about antisemitism in the United States. But seeing what people have done and said here since October 7th, I don't feel safe anymore. I've seen swastika graffiti in my own neighborhood and protesters harassing Jewish students at UCLA. Particularly disappointing has been witnessing antisemitism coming from people on the left who are willing to fight for other civil rights causes. Their commitment to justice doesn't extend to the Jews.
Acts of antisemitism are not the appropriate response to Netanyahu's crimes against humanity. Netanyahu is a political leader who has gone overboard, not a religious leader of all Jews.

Bringing charges against Netanyahu for his war crimes will ultimately be the appropriate response.
 
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