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Did you see that MEXICO, the place people flee from for jobs, REQUIRED a NATIONAL PICTURE ID to vote?

:mad:

In more Holder News concerning the culture of corruption and crony Capitalism:

Poor Eric Holder. If it’s not one thing (like contempt of Congress), it’s another.

Consider the Justice Department’s challenge to Texas’s new voter ID law. It’s set to be heard on January 9 in federal district court in Washington, D.C. Thursday, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, sent Holder a letter pointing out that DOJ has hired an “explicitly partisan Democratic data company, Catalist, to provide the data by which it is justifying its decision to block implementation of Texas’s voter identification law.”

Catalist, whose website says it is dedicated to “serving the progressive community,” is headed by Harold Ickes (pictured above), formerly Bill Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff. According to Smith, Catalist is “really an agent of the Democratic Party” that “might prefer that Texas’s election laws favor Democratic Party candidates.”

Smith isn’t the only one to identify Catalist as a partisan operation. The Atlantic described the firm as “a big Democratic data warehouse” that was intimately involved with President Barack Obama’s 2008 voter turnout effort. It was, according to The Atlantic, “the conductor for a data-driven symphony of more than 90 liberal groups, like the Service Employees Union – and the DNC – and the Obama campaign.”

Catalist is in the business of partisan advocacy and is “founded, run, and staffed by dedicated Democratic activists,” according to Smith. Its board of directors includes the political director of the AFL-CIO, Michael Podhorzer, and the data/technology director of the SEIU, Luchelle Stevens. It also includes other “very prominent Democratic Party” stalwarts like Patricia Bauman, vice-chair of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and Laura Quinn, former deputy chief of staff for Vice President Al Gore.

Among Catalist’s many “progressive” clients is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Governors Association, several state Democratic parties, the Texas Democratic Trust, Obama for America, at least 43 Democratic members of Congress, and “a host of other progressive and Democratic Party groups.” Many of these clients have falsely condemned voter ID laws as supposed attempts to suppress minority voting.

Catalist was apparently hired without “an open bidding process.” As Smith says, it is “unacceptable for the Department to go into court in a case involving the integrity of Texas elections on the basis of data provided by a Democratic Party campaign operation.” He charges that it is a misuse of taxpayer dollars that undermines the credibility of the Justice Department.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Operative-Org-to-Challenge-Texas-Voter-ID-Law
 
There's more than one way to skin a cat...


Soros Promotes UN Control Over Gun Ownership


George Soros is financing the fight to give the United Nations control of your guns.




Through his Media Matters organization, Soros is dumping pro-UN gun control propaganda into the mainstream media to coincide with the United Nations Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty being held in New York July 2–27.

In a blog post published on July 3, Timothy Johnson of Media Matters describes the notion that the United Nations would ever try to take away the right of Americans to keep and bear arms “laughable.”

Johnson goes on to promote the passage of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) as a means of “curtailing the illicit arms trade” and thus cracking down on those who use these weapons to deny others their “human rights.”

The blog post assures citizens concerned about the potential eradication of the rights guaranteed in the Second Amendment to the Constitution that they have nothing to fear from the UN’s gun control treaty.

Top officials from the United Nations, the United States, and other high profile supporters have repeatedly and clearly said that the treaty does not aim to restrict anyone’s “freedom to own” a gun. Indeed, the UN General Assembly’s resolution on the treaty makes clear that countries will “exclusively” maintain the right within their borders to “regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on private ownerships.”



Constitutionalists will instantly notice a couple of red flags raised by Media Matters’ word choice.

First, there need be no quotation marks around the phrase freedom to own a gun. Americans should enjoy the unqualified right to bear arms and it is not some antiquated idea or some unicorn-like mythical creature that requires special punctuational treatment. Americans are well aware that an unarmed citizenry is easier to subdue and will rightly resist all efforts to abridge that right.

Second, the citizens of the United States do not need the permission of the United Nations to maintain the “exclusive” right to own a gun. This right, as with all others protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, comes from God, not man, and may be neither given nor taken away by any government.

Undaunted, however, Soros will continue to use his mouthpieces to promote the globalist agenda, including the incremental dismantling of the U.S. Constitution and the sovereignty it protects.

The current draft of the ATT mandates that the governments of member states petition the United Nations for approval of any contract to sell weapons to any nation where there exists a “substantial risk of a serious violation” of human rights.

While the end of reducing the abuse of human rights is laudable, the means to achieve that cannot lawfully include the requirement that the Congress of the United States ask for permission from the UN overlords before it passes a law, including one authorizing the sale of arms to another country. That is a direct assault on American legislative sovereignty, and an indirect attack on the sovereignty of the American people who elect the members of Congress who vote on such measures.

In the text of the ATT, the United Nations specifically calls for the passage of a legally binding instrument that will impose international standards for the ownership, trade, and transfer of weapons.

In another section the ATT includes “controls on a comprehensive list of weaponry, including small arms and light weapons.” Predictably, all these controls are couched comfortably in talk of “human rights” and ending senseless killings by rogue regimes.



In order to avoid being labeled a “human rights abuser,” the United States (along with all member states) is ordered by the UN to comply with the ATT.

To compel this compliance, the ATT empowers the UN to force Congress to:

• Enact internationally agreed licensing requirements for Americans

• Confiscate and destroy unauthorized firearms of Americans while allowing the U.S. government to keep theirs

• Ban the trade, sale, and private ownership of semi-automatic guns

• Create and mandate an international registry to organize an encompassing gun confiscation in America



On this point, in 2011, the UN’s General Assembly declared “that disarmament, arms control and non-proliferation are essential.” In other words, if world peace, the protection of human rights, and the disarming of violent regimes could be achieved through the confiscation of personal firearms, then so be it.

Make no mistake, however, Soros and his fellow globalist gun controllers don’t have in mind (at least at first) to march blue-helmeted UN soldiers into the homes of Americans with orders to seize their guns and ammunition. Rather, through the passage of binding international treaties and UN resolutions, they will force the national governments of the world to do the dirty work for them.

Sadly, officials of our own federal government, including President Obama, are pushing Congress to sign off on this treaty.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the Obama administration is working with the UN to lean on Congress to consent to the ATT.

Clinton has pushed the treaty as an “opportunity to promote the same high standards for the entire international community that the United States and other responsible arms exporters already have in place to ensure that weaponry is transferred for legitimate purposes.”

There is little doubt that the scope of those “legitimate purposes” will be determined by Soros, Clinton, Obama, and the rest of the globalist gang who have much to fear from an armed and educated citizenry.

For now, the resistance to ratification of such a treaty is strong in the United States. Last July Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and 44 other senators sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton encouraging them to stop pushing for passage of UN gun control treaties.


In the letter, Moran wrote:

Our country’s sovereignty and the Second Amendment rights of American citizens must not be infringed upon by the United Nations. Today, the Senate sends a powerful message to the Obama Administration: an Arms Trade Treaty that does not protect ownership of civilian firearms will fail in the Senate. Our firearm freedoms are not negotiable.


George Soros, through his Media Matters outlet, promises that “U.S. gun owners have nothing to fear” from the ATT or from similar UN agreements to restrict the manufacture, transfer, and possession of firearms. The globalists’ only goal, they maintain, is “the maintenance of international peace and security.”

For those whose fears are assuaged by such gentle words, we offer this competing comment from Benjamin Franklin written in a letter penned in 1755:

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
 
MeeMie said:
There's more than one way to skin a cat...


Soros Promotes UN Control Over Gun Ownership


George Soros is financing the fight to give the United Nations control of your guns.




Through his Media Matters organization, Soros is dumping pro-UN gun control propaganda into the mainstream media to coincide with the United Nations Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty being held in New York July 2–27.

In a blog post published on July 3, Timothy Johnson of Media Matters describes the notion that the United Nations would ever try to take away the right of Americans to keep and bear arms “laughable.”

Johnson goes on to promote the passage of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) as a means of “curtailing the illicit arms trade” and thus cracking down on those who use these weapons to deny others their “human rights.”

The blog post assures citizens concerned about the potential eradication of the rights guaranteed in the Second Amendment to the Constitution that they have nothing to fear from the UN’s gun control treaty.

Top officials from the United Nations, the United States, and other high profile supporters have repeatedly and clearly said that the treaty does not aim to restrict anyone’s “freedom to own” a gun. Indeed, the UN General Assembly’s resolution on the treaty makes clear that countries will “exclusively” maintain the right within their borders to “regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on private ownerships.”



Constitutionalists will instantly notice a couple of red flags raised by Media Matters’ word choice.

First, there need be no quotation marks around the phrase freedom to own a gun. Americans should enjoy the unqualified right to bear arms and it is not some antiquated idea or some unicorn-like mythical creature that requires special punctuational treatment. Americans are well aware that an unarmed citizenry is easier to subdue and will rightly resist all efforts to abridge that right.

Second, the citizens of the United States do not need the permission of the United Nations to maintain the “exclusive” right to own a gun. This right, as with all others protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, comes from God, not man, and may be neither given nor taken away by any government.

Undaunted, however, Soros will continue to use his mouthpieces to promote the globalist agenda, including the incremental dismantling of the U.S. Constitution and the sovereignty it protects.

The current draft of the ATT mandates that the governments of member states petition the United Nations for approval of any contract to sell weapons to any nation where there exists a “substantial risk of a serious violation” of human rights.

While the end of reducing the abuse of human rights is laudable, the means to achieve that cannot lawfully include the requirement that the Congress of the United States ask for permission from the UN overlords before it passes a law, including one authorizing the sale of arms to another country. That is a direct assault on American legislative sovereignty, and an indirect attack on the sovereignty of the American people who elect the members of Congress who vote on such measures.

In the text of the ATT, the United Nations specifically calls for the passage of a legally binding instrument that will impose international standards for the ownership, trade, and transfer of weapons.

In another section the ATT includes “controls on a comprehensive list of weaponry, including small arms and light weapons.” Predictably, all these controls are couched comfortably in talk of “human rights” and ending senseless killings by rogue regimes.



In order to avoid being labeled a “human rights abuser,” the United States (along with all member states) is ordered by the UN to comply with the ATT.

To compel this compliance, the ATT empowers the UN to force Congress to:

• Enact internationally agreed licensing requirements for Americans

• Confiscate and destroy unauthorized firearms of Americans while allowing the U.S. government to keep theirs

• Ban the trade, sale, and private ownership of semi-automatic guns

• Create and mandate an international registry to organize an encompassing gun confiscation in America



On this point, in 2011, the UN’s General Assembly declared “that disarmament, arms control and non-proliferation are essential.” In other words, if world peace, the protection of human rights, and the disarming of violent regimes could be achieved through the confiscation of personal firearms, then so be it.

Make no mistake, however, Soros and his fellow globalist gun controllers don’t have in mind (at least at first) to march blue-helmeted UN soldiers into the homes of Americans with orders to seize their guns and ammunition. Rather, through the passage of binding international treaties and UN resolutions, they will force the national governments of the world to do the dirty work for them.

Sadly, officials of our own federal government, including President Obama, are pushing Congress to sign off on this treaty.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the Obama administration is working with the UN to lean on Congress to consent to the ATT.

Clinton has pushed the treaty as an “opportunity to promote the same high standards for the entire international community that the United States and other responsible arms exporters already have in place to ensure that weaponry is transferred for legitimate purposes.”

There is little doubt that the scope of those “legitimate purposes” will be determined by Soros, Clinton, Obama, and the rest of the globalist gang who have much to fear from an armed and educated citizenry.

For now, the resistance to ratification of such a treaty is strong in the United States. Last July Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and 44 other senators sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton encouraging them to stop pushing for passage of UN gun control treaties.


In the letter, Moran wrote:

Our country’s sovereignty and the Second Amendment rights of American citizens must not be infringed upon by the United Nations. Today, the Senate sends a powerful message to the Obama Administration: an Arms Trade Treaty that does not protect ownership of civilian firearms will fail in the Senate. Our firearm freedoms are not negotiable.


George Soros, through his Media Matters outlet, promises that “U.S. gun owners have nothing to fear” from the ATT or from similar UN agreements to restrict the manufacture, transfer, and possession of firearms. The globalists’ only goal, they maintain, is “the maintenance of international peace and security.”

For those whose fears are assuaged by such gentle words, we offer this competing comment from Benjamin Franklin written in a letter penned in 1755:

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
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Hillary agrees, UN vote July 27. :cool:
 
Feds reveal more charges in murder tied to 'Fast and Furious'

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/120709-wanted-fbi-1236p.photoblog600.jpg

The 11-count indictment alleges that on Dec. 14, 2010, five of the defendants engaged in a firefight with Border Patrol agents. Terry was shot and killed in the gunfire.

The defendants illegally entered the United States from Mexico to rob drug traffickers of their contraband, according to the indictment.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...arges-in-murder-tied-to-fast-and-furious?lite
 
Roughly 1460 out of 1680 posts in this thread are by posters generally considered "fringe right wing" on the General board. That's 86%.

For all their bellowing, America is still ignoring it: 78% of all Americans don't have an opinion one way or the other on "fast and furious".
 
White House Finally Admits Brian Terry Was Shooting Beanbags Against Cartel Assault Rifles


US Border Agent Brian Terry was shooting beanbags at cartel members before they shot him dead with assault rifles.

For the first time the Obama Administration today admitted that Brian Terry and fellow border agents were firing beanbags and not bullets during their shootout with armed cartel members.


“Disarmed by the very bureaucrats that armed their killers.”


For the first time, federal officials also revealed that Terry and the elite squad of federal agents initially fired bean bags — not bullets — at the heavily armed drug cartel crew in the mountains south of Tucson in December 2010.

During the exchange, Terry was shot and killed.

​



Are we the only nation on Earth that doesn’t defend its own border?





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Majority of Americans Approve of Holder Contempt Vote,
Want Obama to Come Clean on Fast and Furious


According to a new CNN/ORC poll, the majority of Americans believe the vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress after his refusal to turn over subpoenaed Operation Fast and Furious documents was justified and the right decision while a vast majority believe President Obama should come clean about the program.

Nearly three-quarters of Republicans approve of the move, as do the majority of independent voters, while a plurality of Democrats oppose the vote.


Approve 53% ~ 33% Disapprove - actions of the House voting Holder in contempt:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/katiepavlich/Screenshot2012-07-09at115958AM.png


Approve 69% ~ 27% Disapprove - want Obama to answer all questions:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/katiepavlich/Screenshot2012-07-09at120037PM.png
 
phrodeau said:
Read Issa's transcript. It deserves contempt.
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You want to read an interesting transcript, try the supreme court's day two healthcare argument. Scalia would not let the government solictor get two complete sentences in a row out.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Roughly 1460 out of 1680 posts in this thread are by posters generally considered "fringe right wing" on the General board. That's 86%.

For all their bellowing, America is still ignoring it: 78% of all Americans don't have an opinion one way or the other on "fast and furious".
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Nixon posted this very same thing during watergate. :cool:
 
vetteman said:
Anyone forcing an agent to face lethal force with non lethal weapons deserves to be tried as an accessory if that policy results in the death of an agent.
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Anyone stupid enough to bring a bean bag gun to a gun fight deserves whatever they get. The correct answer to this situation was "fuck you, I'm out". Which should have been preceded by refusing to go out in the first place.

At least if this sort of thing were common which apparently it's not. Most days they are just trying to discourage people here to steal our jobs and bean bags are more than sufficient. Still, I believe the polite term for what one should do is called advancing in the opposite direction.
 
I wonder why he had a bean bag gun, not all of them do. I just saw a news story on a boarder agent shooting into Mexico and killing someone on that side of the border.
 
vetteman said:
When was the last time you refused a direct order? Oh, and the present policy is when confronted with armed border intruders agents must move away and take shelter.
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Nobody ever ordered me to commit suicide. Call me a traitor if you like but if they'd sent me to Iraq with a bean bag gun I'd have politely escorted myself to the brig.

I don't know enough about Border Patrol agent training to know if that's a good policy or not. I know in a country that has between 12 and 21 million illegal immigrants I can't see how letting a few more slip in is worth an American life.
 
U.S. authorities investigating a Saturday morning shooting along the Texas-Mexico border said one person was deceased when they were taken to a hospital in Mexico shortly after the incident.

It was unclear if the person, described as a 29-year-old male, was involved in the shooting, but some claim the man was shot by a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection released a statement Tuesday recalling “two dangerous encounters.”

In one instance, an unidentified individual threw rocks at a border agent. The agent “fired his service weapon in defense” when he was unable to take cover, the statement said.

At about the same time, another agent said he saw a person aim a weapon at him and he, too, fired his gun in defense, the statement said.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating the incidents. Mexico has been notified by the encounters and calls them a disproportionate use of force.

The Mexican Foreign Ministry said late Sunday that a citizen had been killed by a gunshot fired by a U.S. agent at the Los Tomates-Veterans international bridge. It did not identify the victim or provide details about the incident. Mexico said its consulate in Brownsville had sent U.S. authorities a message demanding an exhaustive investigation without regard to the consequences.

"The Mexican government has said once again that the disproportionate use of force for purposes of immigration enforcement is unacceptable under any circumstances," the Foreign Ministry said.

Juana Maria Soto of Matamoros said her brother, 30-year-old Juan Pablo Perez Soto, was shot and killed by a Border Patrol agent Saturday morning. She said she had received little information, but she believes her brother was on the Mexican river bank cutting firewood and said she understood that the agent crossed to the Mexican side to shoot him.

Border Patrol spokesman Henry Mendiola said Monday that the incident remains under investigation and they have not confirmed that someone was shot, but he disputed any suggestion that agents crossed the border into Mexico.

"Our agents are not going to go into Mexico to neutralize something like this," Mendiola said.

He said Border Patrol agents came upon a group of people on the U.S. side Saturday morning. They detained some while others retreated toward the river and began throwing rocks.

One agent who was not able to escape the rocks fired toward the group, Mendiola said. At the same time, another agent at the scene saw a person across the river in Mexico point a rifle toward them. That agent fired across the river, Mendiola said.

Soto said her 14-year-old son was one of those detained by Border Patrol. She has not been able to speak with him, but said the Mexican Consulate told her he was unharmed.

Mendiola said several people had been taken into custody but that he could not provide details about the suspects or charges they face.

Border Patrol agents seizing 4,000 pounds of marijuana in March got into a shootout with drug smugglers. In that incident, it also was not known whether anyone on the Mexican side was hit.

Last summer, authorities said Border Patrol agents and rangers with the Texas Department of Public Safety exchanged about 300 rounds of gunfire with suspected drug smugglers. Officials said the suspects threw rocks at U.S. lawmen in that incident, too.

In 2010, a Border Patrol agent in El Paso shot and killed a 15-year-old Mexican boy across the Rio Grande. Investigators say the agent fired after being attacked by people throwing rocks.

Fox News' Edmund DeMarche and the Associated Press contributed to this report



TexasWife25 said:
I wonder why he had a bean bag gun, not all of them do. I just saw a news story on a boarder agent shooting into Mexico and killing someone on that side of the border.
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