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vetteman said:
It may very well be the involvement of the White House that Eric Holder is trying to conceal. You don't know.
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Yeah I doubt a ground-level operation in a gun store was something the president was aware of, much less watching. I could be wrong but it seems unlikely.
 
You guys don't get it!

America doesn't care about Fast&Furious or Obama's love of Marxism in the past!

Mitt Romney won't release his taxes...

:nods>
 
IF WE HAD A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, THIS WOULD BE A STORY OF EARTHSHAKING IMPORTANCE (CONT’D): Contempt Lawsuit Against Holder: NBC Ignores, ABC and CBS Do Bare Minimum.
 
*Yawn* Day 249 - still no outrage from teh general public. The once-vaunted GOP noise machine scratches their collective unibrows in bafflement.

Nontroversies like this used to be soooo eeeeeeasy.
 
vetteman said:
It doesn't seem unlikely to me that as the Fast and Furious debacle unfolded and it's political ramifications for the Obama administration began to impact on the White House, that somebody like Axlerod would be asked to school Holder on ways to withhold damaging information from Congressional scrutiny at least before the election had played out. Any attempt by the White House to influence the Justice Department politically in regard to possible criminal activity would be a felony under Federal law.
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Well yeah, once things began to unfold they knew.
 
ATF whistleblower’s revenge case settled
Mediated resolution details private

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agent who blew the whistle on the botched Fast and Furious gunrunning investigation and, according to lawmakers, was threatened with losing his job has successfully resolved a retaliation claim.

ATF agent Peter Forcelli settled the claim, according to Carolyn Lerner, head of the Office of Special Counsel, through an OSC-overseen mediation process in which a neutral third party — in this case an independent OSC mediator — assisted the opposing parties in reaching a voluntary, negotiated resolution.

The resolution is confidential under OSC mediation rules.

OSC is an independent agency that oversees whistleblower claims. ATF declined comment, citing an ongoing Justice Department investigation into the Fast and Furious operation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/atf-whistleblowers-revenge-case-settled/
 
Report: ATF gun part of plan to kill Juarez police chief Julián Leyzaola

A weapon tied to "Operation Fast and Furious" was seized in Tijuana in connection with a drug cartel's conspiracy to kill the police chief of Tijuana, Baja California, who later became the Juárez police chief, according to a U.S. government report.

The firearm was found Feb. 25, 2010, during an arrest of a criminal cell associated with Teodoro "El Teo" García Simental and Raydel "El Muletas" López Uriarte, allies of the Sinaloa cartel.

Tijuana police said they arrested four suspects in March 2010 in connection with a failed attempt to take out Julián Leyzaola, and that the suspects allegedly confessed to conspiring to assassinate the police chief on orders from Tijuana cartel leaders.

The suspects had an arsenal of weapons and ammunition, and one of the firearms traced back to the operation that the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives (ATF) was monitoring from its field office in Phoenix.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_...rt-plan-kill-police-chief?source=most_emailed
 
koalabear said:
ATF whistleblower’s revenge case settled
Mediated resolution details private

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agent who blew the whistle on the botched Fast and Furious gunrunning investigation and, according to lawmakers, was threatened with losing his job has successfully resolved a retaliation claim.

ATF agent Peter Forcelli settled the claim, according to Carolyn Lerner, head of the Office of Special Counsel, through an OSC-overseen mediation process in which a neutral third party — in this case an independent OSC mediator — assisted the opposing parties in reaching a voluntary, negotiated resolution.

The resolution is confidential under OSC mediation rules.

OSC is an independent agency that oversees whistleblower claims. ATF declined comment, citing an ongoing Justice Department investigation into the Fast and Furious operation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/atf-whistleblowers-revenge-case-settled/
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I think they're working on establishing a new record for length of investigation.

Almost seems like foot-dragging...
 
The current lack of public outrage can be attributed to the fact that the mainstream media (ObamaMedia) has largely ignored the Fast & Furious scandal.

Where is the media’s understanding of the scale of this operation? Where is the outrage for not only the actions of President Obama and Eric Holder, but for their inconsistent stories? Where is the outrage for the use of American tax dollars for criminal activity? Where is the outrage for the more than 200 lives lost?

High-ranking U.S. officials used taxpayer money — stimulus money no less — to buy guns and ship them to Mexico. Sadly, these guns can be traced to over 200 murders, including that of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and high-ranking Mexican officials.

Our tax dollars are arming criminals, but the mainstream media doesn't seem to care.
 
MeeMie said:
The current lack of public outrage can be attributed to the fact that the mainstream media (ObamaMedia) has largely ignored the Fast & Furious scandal.

Where is the media’s understanding of the scale of this operation? Where is the outrage for not only the actions of President Obama and Eric Holder, but for their inconsistent stories? Where is the outrage for the use of American tax dollars for criminal activity? Where is the outrage for the more than 200 lives lost?

High-ranking U.S. officials used taxpayer money — stimulus money no less — to buy guns and ship them to Mexico. Sadly, these guns can be traced to over 200 murders, including that of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and high-ranking Mexican officials.

Our tax dollars are arming criminals, but the mainstream media doesn't seem to care.
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Republicans tell us that when the media focuses on things other than the economy, well that's just the liberal media distracting from discussion about the economy. So now you want the distraction?
 
MeeMie said:
The current lack of public outrage can be attributed to the fact that the mainstream media (ObamaMedia) has largely ignored the Fast & Furious scandal.

Where is the media’s understanding of the scale of this operation? Where is the outrage for not only the actions of President Obama and Eric Holder, but for their inconsistent stories? Where is the outrage for the use of American tax dollars for criminal activity? Where is the outrage for the more than 200 lives lost?

High-ranking U.S. officials used taxpayer money — stimulus money no less — to buy guns and ship them to Mexico. Sadly, these guns can be traced to over 200 murders, including that of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and high-ranking Mexican officials.

Our tax dollars are arming criminals, but the mainstream media doesn't seem to care.
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It does no good to repeat yourself without answering a challenge for proof.

Dem guns wuz paid fer by drug munny, not tax munny. Despite what vetteman's poorly-worded posts say.
 
MeeMie said:
Look at the loonies ignoring the elephant sitting in the parlor.
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I suppose money from selling illicit drugs could be called "stimulus money". I must remember that when you refer to "stimulus" you're talking about illicit drug use.
 
MeeMie said:
I suppose the Congressman from Arizona’s Fifth Congressional District would know where the money came from:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/20/where-is-the-outrage-over-fast-and-furious/
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Oh, so that's who you're parroting without fact-checking.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/azfactcheck/fact-story.php?id=335

According to Schweikert's staff, the representative based his statement in part on a Los Angeles Times article that quoted unnamed congressional investigators who said a suspect in Fast and Furious became a paid informant for the FBI or the DEA.

The Times report says that individual had financed weapons purchases associated with Fast and Furious using private funds, not tax dollars, and did so before he became an informant. The article says the informant subsequently was paid $3,500 in taxpayer money "for his services" -- not for buying weapons. It is standard practice for paid informants in criminal investigations to be compensated for their services.

With regard to so-called stimulus funds, no documentation could be found in federal records or testimony that money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was expended in Fast and Furious.

Schweikert's staff cites Justice Department documents and congressional records showing that $10 million from the fund was allocated to the ATF for a campaign against gun smuggling known as Project Gunrunner. However, those records indicate the money was not spent on Fast and Furious, or even in Arizona.

Bottom line: Rep. Schweikert incorrectly characterized Fast and Furious as an operation in which federal authorities used stimulus money to purchase firearms and ship them to Mexico.
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You call that fact checking? HAHA!

Right, some low end staff member is held up as an authority to discredit direct authority as defense for factual information and it becomes your truth (fed directly to you from the loonie hot line).

Where do you suppose these so called "private funds" came from? Hmm?

It's the bizarro theater of the absurd.
 
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