If you mentioned that, I forgot. What's your population density? Got neighbours? How far from a city? Being self sufficient is one thing. Being overrun by the mob is another....Fuzzy we've had this conversation before, I'm as "off grid" as you.... produce my own power, lift my own water and I garden and raise beef and a few hogs... shot a pheasant or two and cotton tails as well add a goose to the mix... and I make a little moonshine or notcountry wine..... yupper with a little horse trading with the neighbors I do well.... anyway we'll see.....