Obama's speech on race

[Faneros]

Tell me that you don't have someone in your life that other people hate or dislike who means the world to you. All of us do. We have friends that no one understands why we are friends with. It's the same with him and Wright. You don't have to agree with everything the man says but you can still find something in him that is redeemable

I swear, the world has gone mad. NO I don't have someone in my life that spews the kind of crap that Rev Wright does, sorry.

But I like how Obama through his grandmother under the bus, nice touch!

 

[HB1965]

I swear, the world has gone mad. NO I don't have someone in my life that spews the kind of crap that Rev Wright does, sorry.

But I like how Obama through his grandmother under the bus, nice touch!

No the world hasn't gone mad, and he didn't through his grandmother under a bus. He was making a point butthead.

He's saying that as a leader who is looking to address the nations problems he can't disown anyone because of their views and opinions. He needs to be able to accept who they are and address their concerns. He can also recognize in those he loves things that he disagrees with, and he knows others will.

If you can't get that it's because you don't want to.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Tell me that you don't have someone in your life that other people hate or dislike who means the world to you. All of us do. We have friends that no one understands why we are friends with. It's the same with him and Wright. You don't have to agree with everything the man says but you can still find something in him that is redeemable

I don't have any friends who are blatantly racist. I don't hang with people who use the "N" word. I'm not sure when I last heard the "N" word in a conversation I was participating in.
Obama chose to hang with a racist (Wright) and a crook (Rezko) who helped arrange the purchase of his house. Maybe you missed that.

 

[Faneros]

No the world hasn't gone mad, and he didn't through his grandmother under a bus. He was making a point butthead.

He's saying that as a leader who is looking to address the nations problems he can't disown anyone because of their views and opinions. He needs to be able to accept who they are and address their concerns. He can also recognize in those he loves things that he disagrees with, and he knows others will.

If you can't get that it's because you don't want to.

Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe.

 

[Pookie]

I swear, the world has gone mad. NO I don't have someone in my life that spews the kind of crap that Rev Wright does, sorry.

But I like how Obama through his grandmother under the bus, nice touch!

Jebus on a tricycle. Are you guys gonna whine about every little thing he says or doesn't say between now and November?

Threw his grandmother under the bus? BWAHAHAHAHA

Too funny.

It's already hilarious watching you righties demonize every little thing he says or doesn't say.

And it's only March! Oh, the madness! (sorry - channeling AJ for a moment )

 

[Faneros]

Jebus on a tricycle. Are you guys gonna whine about every little thing he says or doesn't say between now and November?

Threw his grandmother under the bus? BWAHAHAHAHA

Too funny.

It's already hilarious watching you righties demonize every little thing he says or doesn't say.

And it's only March! Oh, the madness! (sorry - channeling AJ for a moment )

Well, this is a thread about his speech. I mean, we could talk about baking cookies, i guess...

 

[renard_ruse]

I'm not going to live in a world of Ishs, Busybodys, Faneroses or Vettemans. It's an ugly world of fear, war, selfishness and privilege. No more, and, in this election, my decision is from the words of Obama, "Not this time". Not for me. I'm not going to argue about it.
The reality, is he's not talking to them. He's talking to me and he's talking to those people who haven't made a decision. He's talking to people who are out there trying to make a difference. He's talking to the people who are willing to try something different.
We can try to make a better country by being better ourselves and working with others to be better and have better opportunities. It doesn't have to be "against" as much as it can be "for."

Obama doesn't say WHAT he is for. Its all empty platitudes and vacant calls over and over for "change." Its wearing thin.

People need to know what a candidate stands for specifically or at least in vaguely defined generalities. Saying you're for "change" and because you're a mulatto you can "bring people together" doesn't say a damn thing about what you'd do on policies.

All we can go on is his voting record in the Senate which is the second most liberal in the entire body. Out of 100 Senators only one is more liberal when it comes time to cast votes. He's more liberal than Ted Kennedy. Is this really where America is? We'll see, but I doubt it. He won't get away with his empty speeches and eloquent calls for "change" if he faces the general electorate.

 

[Queersetti]

Why Faneros? What exactly have I said that isnt true with regards to O'bama? By the way, it would behoove him to recruit my vote because I’m a citizen of the US who votes, and who isn’t satisfied with the status quo and would certainly, if his message resonated with me, vote for him. To me, he is all sizzle and no steak, and I realized this after listening to hours of tape from his mentor and pastor who talks crap. If you think O'bama is isolated from Rev Wright somehow because he wasnt in the audience when those speeches were given, you're very naïve and yes, you are the person he should speak too!

Rev Wright is a racist, dont you see that?

Why do you keep referring to him as O'bama?

 

[Mike_Oxready]

Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe.

Someone (B. Franklin) also said, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."


A closed mind is a closed mind.


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[HB1965]

Obama doesn't say WHAT he is for. Its all empty platitudes and vacant calls over and over for "change." Its wearing thin.

People need to know what a candidate stands for specifically or at least in vaguely defined generalities. Saying you're for "change" and because you're a mulatto you can "bring people together" doesn't say a damn thing about what you'd do on policies.

All we can go on is his voting record in the Senate which is the second most liberal in the entire body. Out of 100 Senators only one is more liberal when it comes time to cast votes. He's more liberal than Ted Kennedy. Is this really where America is? We'll see, but I doubt it. He won't get away with his empty speeches and eloquent calls for "change" if he faces the general electorate.

Go to his website. There is pages and pages about what he is for.

But then your reading comprehension sucks so you might not get it.

 

[Queersetti]

Obama doesn't say WHAT he is for. Its all empty platitudes and vacant calls over and over for "change." Its wearing thin.

People need to know what a candidate stands for specifically or at least in vaguely defined generalities. Saying you're for "change" and because you're a mulatto you can "bring people together" doesn't say a damn thing about what you'd do on policies.

All we can go on is his voting record in the Senate which is the second most liberal in the entire body. Out of 100 Senators only one is more liberal when it comes time to cast votes. He's more liberal than Ted Kennedy. Is this really where America is? We'll see, but I doubt it. He won't get away with his empty speeches and eloquent calls for "change" if he faces the general electorate.

You know, that's just bullshit. Obama has staked out very specific positions on the major issues.

Oh, and I thought John Kerry was the most liberal senator. Huh.

 

[LotusDreamer]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

 

[ccnyman]

Jebus on a tricycle. Are you guys gonna whine about every little thing he says or doesn't say between now and November?

Threw his grandmother under the bus? BWAHAHAHAHA

Too funny.

It's already hilarious watching you righties demonize every little thing he says or doesn't say.

And it's only March! Oh, the madness! (sorry - channeling AJ for a moment )

I don't know if the incident described in the book was the basis for the comment in his speech, but if it was, his grandmother had a fear of being mugged.

He threw he under the bus in equating Wright's hatred and his rantings with her fear. Wright is preaching his hatred and seems to be consistent in it. His grandmother made a private remark. I wonder if she regretted it after as I have done when I've said something in anger or fear.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html

 

[Queersetti]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Cut them some slack. They only recently realized that racism was bad.

 

[Queersetti]

I don't know if the incident described in the book was the basis for the comment in his speech, but if it was, his grandmother had a fear of being mugged.

He threw he under the bus in equating Wright's hatred and his rantings with her fear. Wright is preaching his hatred and seems to be consistent in it. His grandmother made a private remark. I wonder if she regretted it after as I have done when I've said something in anger or fear.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html

And of course, no black person in America has ever been given any cause to be fearful.

 

[Mike_Oxready]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Very well said!


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[Pookie]

Well, this is a thread about his speech. I mean, we could talk about baking cookies, i guess...

You might as well. You could talk about making a devils food cake though. Just an idea.

 

[ccnyman]

And of course, no black person in America has ever been given any cause to be fearful.

Including Jesse Jackson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-f...ate-could-jesse-jackson-be-obamas-grandmother

However, you missed the point which is that I don't think his grandmother's fear or remarks can be equated with Wright's.

 

[Queersetti]

Including Jesse Jackson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-f...ate-could-jesse-jackson-be-obamas-grandmother

However, you missed the point which is that I don't think his grandmother's fear or remarks can be equated with Wright's.

That's good, because I think it's a stretch to say Obama was equating them.

 

[ccnyman]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Well, I guess he's alright if you believe the U.S. created the AIDS virus and stuff like that.

 

[ccnyman]

That's good, because I think it's a stretch to say Obama was equating them.

I can no more disown [pastor Wright] than I can my white grandmother—a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

 

[renard_ruse]

Go to his website. There is pages and pages about what he is for.

But then your reading comprehension sucks so you might not get it.

Funny how his speeches don't talk about specifics, do they? If you already like the guy and are on board you might visit a website but the average voter will hear only the vague platitudes of his speeches.

It doesn't matter anyway, he's not going to get the nomination so its a moot point.

 

[Queersetti]

I can no more disown [pastor Wright] than I can my white grandmother—a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

That equates them in the category "people he cares about". It does not equate their remarks, although, frankly, I don't see what the problem with equating them would be. To find the equation ebjectioanable, I would have to hold that black racism against whites is more objectionable that white racism against blacks.

But he does not, in fact, equate the remarks themselves. If I say "My family has a lot of problems. My brother has terminal cancer and my sister's car broke down", I am stating that their are two problems, not equating a mechanical problem to a terminal disease.

 

[HB1965]

Including Jesse Jackson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-f...ate-could-jesse-jackson-be-obamas-grandmother

However, you missed the point which is that I don't think his grandmother's fear or remarks can be equated with Wright's.

No you missed the point he's not equating his remarks with his grandmother's fear. He's saying that he can't turn his back on anyone who has a concern related to race.

 

[ccnyman]

No you missed the point he's not equating his remarks with his grandmother's fear. He's saying that he can't turn his back on anyone who has a concern related to race.

No, you miss the point that there's a difference between someone spewing hatred and false facts to a congregation with a woman who made a remark in private. One can be excused, the other can't.

Actually, from your early posts you would think that there's no difference and both should be forgiven equally. I think there's a huge difference.