Obama's Mandate

[Sean Renaud]

And why would this be the case (if it is actually true)? The only thing I can think of is those who live outside of the city have learned how to depend more on themselves, thereby no needing government interference, thereby not voting Democrat.

If those who live in the city vote Democrat, then by looking at the reverse, does it mean that those people must be dependent on the government for everything thereby have to vote democrat?

Yes it means those who live in cities are more dependent on government. Government is not bad.

Oh yes, please look at all of these countries. Please look at how those "not small governments" ruined the countries. You will be happy to know that we are headed that way!!

This country was better when the spirit of hard working and wanting a better life for your self and family was what drove the people who live here.

The country is now full (at least a slight majority full), of people who want a better life, happiness, ease of life, every material thing the decide is important to have, perfect healthcare, freedom to do anything personally they choose (not caring if immoral or even murder ...in the case of abortion).......all of this completely free. Free by having the other half (the slightly under majority) paying for it all. This "slightly under" are the ones who still work hard and try to make it on their own, trying to make a better life for their families.

The "slightly under" will not be able to support their own families and all of the "happy lives" of the "slightly over". There will come a time when the "unders" will learn to settle and live off "others" as well.

Then, oh my, what will we all do then? No One funding these "free happy lives".

Nothing is free.....EVERYONE has to help. If that is not understood, then no one will have anything.

Disagree as you will......but those who have the means will choose another "great country" to live in as the takers keep on taking.

Let them leave. They really aren't necessary. The reality is there is no place for them to run but even if there was it would work the same way a company works with the old men retiring and the young bucks stepping up and filling their shoes. It's an easily acceptable risk.

 

[julybaby04]

Pre-existing conditions were once called "God's Will," too.

Great when your kid don't got one, but when he or she does...welp, either you "help one's self" perform an open-heart surgery on the kitchen table at home with butter knives and plastic forks or you're shit outta luck, looks like! Best let the defective delete itself and get to popping another one out of your oven as is your duty for being a woman and a wife, huh?

And if you can't do that, for like, being too old or barren, then you're useless. And then your husband gets a younger, fresher model that can do what you can't do. See, alla that used to be "God's Will," also.

You are assuming much without any knowledge of what my children have and don't have.

People get sick and die every single day.....with healthcare and without. Healthcare in no way assures some will recover from any condition, pre-existing or not. THAT my friend IS God's Will!!!

Women who are not barren get pregnant every single day and choose to kill those babies, when those who are "barren" would be thrilled to be able to adopt one of those "problems". THAT is a decision that is being made, every single day by women who think this so called "control of their own bodies" makes them a better person, a stronger individual. In reality, all it shows is that they are killing a baby. If a woman chooses to get an abortion, they are lauded and held up as a strong woman and great example of not letting anyone tell them what to do with their body. If that same woman gives birth to that baby and kills it the next day, she will go to prison for murder. Same baby, same woman.....same murder....period!

There will always be those who choose to disagree....and that is absolutely their right. But, just because one disagrees does not MAKE them right. There is no changing of minds of those who choose to live a selfish life. There will always be those (that "under" voting segment) that will be there to pick up the pieces of their lives. We do that out of love for others, out of wanting to help, out of our hearts.....never because we are mandated by a government. We are mandated by God, who is the absolute ultimate authority!

 

[julybaby04]

Yes it means those who live in cities are more dependent on government. Government is not bad.



Let them leave. They really aren't necessary. The reality is there is no place for them to run but even if there was it would work the same way a company works with the old men retiring and the young bucks stepping up and filling their shoes. It's an easily acceptable risk.

Perhaps so. But when all the young bucks along with everyone else is not working, and all are on government assistance, who is going to fund all the taking? The workers will have left. Where they go might not be perfect, but one thing is for sure, if people choose to leave, wherever they end up, they will be a productive part of society. They will work wherever they are, legally.....and will not hold their hand out for someone else to fill it.

 

[julybaby04]

In a few months the 2012 statistics will come out. Since unemployment has improved markedly this year do you think welfare utilization will have risen or fallen?

In the city I live in, which is very engineer oriented....they layoff notices have already begun. I personally know of 12 who received their pink slips on Wednesday. I also understand that Boeing will be laying off...which was announced after the election.

I also have heard the companies will start putting employees as part time and pay the fines on the Obamacare for not having it, as the fines are cheaper. Yes, change is just awesome!!

I would imagine the unemployment and welfare will be increasing very soon.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You are assuming much without any knowledge of what my children have and don't have.

People get sick and die every single day.....with healthcare and without. Healthcare in no way assures some will recover from any condition, pre-existing or not. THAT my friend IS God's Will!!!

Women who are not barren get pregnant every single day and choose to kill those babies, when those who are "barren" would be thrilled to be able to adopt one of those "problems". THAT is a decision that is being made, every single day by women who think this so called "control of their own bodies" makes them a better person, a stronger individual. In reality, all it shows is that they are killing a baby. If a woman chooses to get an abortion, they are lauded and held up as a strong woman and great example of not letting anyone tell them what to do with their body. If that same woman gives birth to that baby and kills it the next day, she will go to prison for murder. Same baby, same woman.....same murder....period!

There will always be those who choose to disagree....and that is absolutely their right. But, just because one disagrees does not MAKE them right. There is no changing of minds of those who choose to live a selfish life. There will always be those (that "under" voting segment) that will be there to pick up the pieces of their lives. We do that out of love for others, out of wanting to help, out of our hearts.....never because we are mandated by a government. We are mandated by God, who is the absolute ultimate authority!

"Pre-existing condition" means another human being, NOT God, decided you aren't worth the time, effort and expense of trying to make back whole what is possible to treat, not a guarantee that you won't be hit and smashed to smithereens by a drunk driver as soon as you step outside the hospital doors upon release to enjoy your new lease on life.

THAT is "God's Will." And I'm not assuming anything about you and your kids in the here and now. I'm reminding you about what you and your kids' lives would've been signed, sealed and delivered for back in those pre-government program halcyon days of self-made bootstrappy yore you're so fondly looking back upon.

 

[julybaby04]

"Pre-existing condition" means another human being, NOT God, decided you aren't worth the time, effort and expense of trying to make back whole what is possible to treat, not a guarantee that you won't be hit and smashed to smithereens by a drunk driver as soon as you step outside the hospital doors upon release to enjoy your new lease on life.

THAT is "God's Will." And I'm not assuming anything about you and your kids in the here and now. I'm reminding you about what you and your kids' lives would've been signed, sealed and delivered for back in those pre-government program halcyon days of self-made bootstrappy yore you're so fondly looking back upon.

Those days you mentioned were not easy either. I would never begin to think otherwise. We have come a very long way and are very blessed with what we have today.

I do think though that if anyone is sick, they could walk into any public hospital in this country and get treated, insurance or not. There are always exceptions and there will always be, but for the most part....until Obamacare takes over....we have had the best healthcare available. Yes, there are always those who fall through the cracks, and will be the same after this new mandatory healthcare takes over.

All I was trying to convey was that people, with their inherent spirit, always seem a find a way to make do with what they had and work hard to make it better. That spirit has now been replaced by outstretched hands waiting for others to make their lives better.

There is no where in our constitution, law of the land, state government, and especially God's Word that says we are all to have exactly the same thing and no one is allowed to prosper, on his own. There is no RIGHT to wealth. That is nothing by jealousy on the part of people who think otherwise. If one wants better for their family, get out there and find a way to make it happen.....do not wait on the government to raise taxes on everyone else to fund someone's life.

AND....if by chance.....a person works hard, does everything he possibly can and still is not as wealthy or have everything he wanted.....THEN it is time for him to learn the gift of contentment. Be thankful for what he DOES have and stop coveting what others have.

It is a choice....be thankful or be jealous/resentful.

 

[Disgustipated]

So july is as dumb as jenn but types more words. Awesome.

 

[jeninflorida]

with all due respect Sean you are a fucking idiot

Yes it means those who live in cities are more dependent on government. Government is not bad.



Let them leave. They really aren't necessary. The reality is there is no place for them to run but even if there was it would work the same way a company works with the old men retiring and the young bucks stepping up and filling their shoes. It's an easily acceptable risk.

 

[pete]

So july is as dumb as jenn but types more words. Awesome.

here's a little splash of cold water, douchebag: other people have different opinions than you.

 

[phrodeau]

It was the greed of the "slightly less" minority that caused the recession, and now we have a lot of people who need help to survive. The government wants them to survive, so the government helps them. Once they're on their feet, they'll become productive taxpayers again.

"God's will" usually means that people die. No thanks, God.

 

[Lorilei]

Hmm, I believe you have it wrong. I believe the people in the city are the ones receiving the checks. Perhaps that is why they are in the city....more banks....easier to cash those checks.

Those in the "outer" are usually too busy working, spending time with their families, enjoying their lives with those around them, volunteering in places where people have needs (oh my goodness, all on their own too.....not mandated to do so), and not being too concerned about dealing with someone deciding they need something else for "free" because someone has more (....just sounds like a jealous spirit to me).

Wow. Just...WOW. What a huge crock of shit!

 

[Sean]

Wow. Just...WOW. What a huge crock of shit!

It reads like a Jenbot with better grammar.

 

[Lorilei]

It reads like a Jenbot with better grammar.

Right? The whole "us" vs. "them" mentality makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[phrodeau]

Wow. Just...WOW. What a huge crock of shit!

Built by welfare recipients?

http://www.danheller.com/images/UnitedStates/NewYork/Cityscapes/cityscape-pink-big.jpg

 

[jeninflorida]

It was the greed of the "slightly less" minority that caused the recession, and now we have a lot of people who need help to survive. The government wants them to survive, so the government helps them. Once they're on their feet, they'll become productive taxpayers again.

"God's will" usually means that people die. No thanks, God.

maybe if you (and those like you) were not so lazy and worked instead of looking for a government hand out...

 

[jeninflorida]

Right? The whole "us" vs. "them" mentality makes me sick to my stomach.

please, just admit it you are looking for free crap. free college, free health insurance....free this...free that...and a free home with a free car from GM in the garage

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Cute graph. I am sure the rise in life expectancy could only be contributed to the government intruding into people's lives.

Hmm, still curious how those we know of from the bible lived to be in their hundreds. Must have had one heck of a medicare/social security/welfare system back then.

Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[phrodeau]

please, just admit it you are looking for free crap. free college, free health insurance....free this...free that...and a free home with a free car from GM in the garage

I can see you in a grocery store, railing at the customers in line for free samples.

 

[Lorilei]

I can see you in a grocery store, railing at the customers in line for free samples.

Doesn't she ever get bored of just saying the same thing over and over and over?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Doesn't she ever get bored of just saying the same thing over and over and over?

Ever tried reading Trysail?

The same one hundred or so anti-global warming talking points over and over and over.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Interpret it as you like but there is a fairly obvious overlay of people receiving food stamps, TANF and the EITC and where the vote went to The President.

I think that it is interesting to note that that MA/NH/VT blue cluster and the WI/IL blue cluster on Vette's map has low rates of persons relying on those forms of assistance but still voted Dem. Same for around the San Fran area. Maybe that is where the real "liberals" live in big numbers.

http://drudgereport.com/cm.jpg

 

[Lorilei]

Ever tried reading Trysail?

The same one hundred or so anti-global warming talking points over and over and over.

I have them both on iggy for that very reason.

 

[julybaby04]

Built by welfare recipients?

http://www.danheller.com/images/UnitedStates/NewYork/Cityscapes/cityscape-pink-big.jpg

Apparently so as Obama said himself...no one business was built by individuals. Government did it all. Therefore are welfare recipients receive from the government, and there are no individuals capable of doing it on their own, then yes.....the welfare people built that too

And just to make a point......I wrote what I did about people who live in cities and those who do not showing that it does not matter where people live. There are takers in the city and well as out, just as there are those who work hard for themselves and their families, in the cities and out. I used the example I did to truly show how ridiculous the whole idea of where someone lives matters.

Also, the "us" versus "them" mentality is not new. BUT, when Obama was elected 4 years ago, he had an incredible opportunity to do amazing things. He was elected as the first black president in a country that had for so long been divided by color. He showed that color had the opportunity to have no input in the qualifications of someone chosen to lead this country.

However, in the 4 years, "color division" has reigned supreme. Not only was he unable to lessen the divide, he (and those in the democratic party) have done their best to make it worse. If those who choose to believe that conservatives, republicans, tea party, libertarians, ...whomever is not a democrat, vote against democrats based on color, then the "us" vs "them" will never cease to exist. If, perhaps, the democrats come to understand that those who voted against Obama voted strictly on policy and views of how the country should move forward, then perhaps it can become "we the people"...again.

I did not vote for Obama the first time, but I was supporting him in the beginning as I thought he would be a threshold this country has needed for a long time. I honestly believe his pride got in the way. He loves the power of the presidency and he loves the perks. He spends a lot of time at parties. But honestly, the way he overrides the constitution and views it as in his way....THAT is what is most disturbing.

Flame as you wish, but I love this country with all of my heart. I love that we have so many different nationalities of people here. I love that we truly are the greatest nation in the world. I want to stay that way.

 

[julybaby04]

It reads like a Jenbot with better grammar.

Thank you for saying I have nice grammar!

 

[Disgustipated]

here's a little splash of cold water, douchebag: other people have different opinions than you.

Yeah, fuck off. The next 30 posts after mine basically said the same thing. I don't kiss ass because there's a vagina involved, dumbass.