Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

[miles]

In all seriousness, you don’t know me or what I believe. There are some issues on which I am relatively liberal in regard to the majority of Americans. There are some issues that I’m sure you’d be surprised to hear how relatively conservative I can be.

Relatively liberal about what?

 

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[Joeybagadonuts]

Relatively liberal about what?

I'm relatively liberal on social issues.

I have this weird concept of equality for everyone.

 

[islandman]

So what was your point? This alleged problem is only a problem to socialists casting about for votes, and not the vast majority of the American people. I took your comment as an endorsement of the idea that government had some legitimate role in the redistribution of wealth. If I erred in this assumption, I apologize.

If you care to re-read my prior post you will note that I spoke in favour of redistribution of profits - and not accumulated wealth - via a more efficient and effective tax code. I trust you know the difference between profits and wealth.

ffs.

After a lifetime of study, that would be a lifetime longer than yours, much of it engaged in the practical application of such, I've probably forgotten more about the subject than you will learn for quite some time.

Sure, because you put two kids into business yet a lifetime of interaction with our tax code as it relates to the growing disparity between rich and poor somehow magically escapes your notice.

 

[miles]

I'm relatively liberal on social issues.

I have this weird concept of equality for everyone.

Conservatives support equality for everyone. That's hardly a liberal concept.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Conservatives support equality for everyone. That's hardly a liberal concept.

miles: Tryin to kill sane people via giggle fits.

 

[miles]

miles: Tryin to kill sane people via giggle fits.

Go home and wash up, Sean. Supper is on the table.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Conservatives support equality for everyone. That's hardly a liberal concept.

Aren't you arguing that I'm a liberal?

 

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[miles]

Rob has more alts than he does brains. Typical liberal gay bashing.

 

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[miles]

Aren't you arguing that I'm a liberal?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. Equality is not a liberal concept any more than freedom of speech.

 

[miles]

Tell me how distributed after tax profits differ from accumulated wealth in real terms. Taxing corporate profits, and the mere transfer of those after tax profits to the real owners of the corporation through capital gains taxes, is indeed the engine of redistribution...the extent of which harms to that degree economic activity in a free market.

Your last makes little sense, as the existence of disparity between rich and poor is nothing more than an economic footnote, and a simple fact of life.

The knowledge that people have to work in order to get ahead in life, their reward being commensurate with their efforts, is something most of the people who ever came here understood.

What isn't understood, and is purposely discounted in liberal circles of academia, especially in those economic circles advancing a socialist agenda, is the extent to which government intervention in the free market diminishes opportunity for economic success at those lower levels of activity.

Sounds like someone wants to "level the playing field" by taking money from Peter to pay Paul in the name of "fairness."

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. Equality is not a liberal concept any more than freedom of speech.

Pick a specific issue and I'll give you an opinion, if I have one.

 

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[islandman]

Tell me how distributed after tax profits differ from accumulated wealth in real terms. Taxing corporate profits, and the mere transfer of those after tax profits to the real owners of the corporation through capital gains taxes, is indeed the engine of redistribution...the extent of which harms to that degree economic activity in a free market.

Your last makes little sense, as the existence of disparity between rich and poor is nothing more than an economic footnote, and a simple fact of life.

The knowledge that people have to work in order to get ahead in life, their reward being commensurate with their efforts, is something most of the people who ever came here understood.

What isn't understood, and is purposely discounted in liberal circles of academia, especially in those economic circles advancing a socialist agenda, is the extent to which government intervention in the free market diminishes opportunity for economic success at those lower levels of activity.

"distributing AFTER TAX profits"....dear god, no...the 'after tax profits' falls into 'accumulated wealth"...its not distributed. The distribution mechanism is the tax itself....


holy hell, talk about not understanding the basic premise to the argument, yet still arguing...


Sorry, after that bolded sentence, I didn't have the stomach to read on....I'm speechless.

 

[miles]

Pick a specific issue and I'll give you an opinion, if I have one.

Do you believe government should fund the arts?

Is the Constitution a living document?

Do you think citizens have a right to an education, healthcare, and housing?

Do you support a minimum wage?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Do you believe government should fund the arts?

Is the Constitution a living document?

Do you think citizens have a right to an education, healthcare, and housing?

Do you support a minimum wage?

Yes.
Not really
Yes
Yes.

 

[Sean]

"distributing AFTER TAX profits"....dear god, no...the 'after tax profits' falls into 'accumulated wealth"...its not distributed. The distribution mechanism is the tax itself....


holy hell, talk about not understanding the basic premise to the argument, yet still arguing...


Sorry, after that bolded sentence, I didn't have the stomach to read on....I'm speechless.

Watching Vettebigot argue is more and more like this every day. Dementia, perhaps.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Do you believe government should fund the arts?

Is the Constitution a living document?

Do you think citizens have a right to an education, healthcare, and housing?

Do you support a minimum wage?

No
?
No
Yes

Clarify your meaning of living document.

 

[miles]

No
?
No
Yes

Clarify your meaning of living document.

Ooops - thought I deleted the Constitution question. My bad.

Do you favor lowering the corporate tax rate?
" " capital gains tax?
Do you favor the Fair Tax?

 

[miles]

Yes.
Not really
Yes
Yes.

Sean, shut the fuck up.

 

[miles]

Try this. Not exactly scientific, but you'll get the idea.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Ooops - thought I deleted the Constitution question. My bad.

Do you favor lowering the corporate tax rate?
" " capital gains tax?
Do you favor the Fair Tax?

Tax the fuck out of billionaires and corporations. End all subsidies to oil companies and farmers.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. Equality is not a liberal concept any more than freedom of speech.

Socioeconomic equality, as something at least generally worth striving towards, is a liberal (in the American sense of the word) as distinct from a libertarian or conservative concept. (It it also a socialist concept, but to much greater degree.)

Both equality (in the sense of discarding the traditional hierarchy of birth) and freedom of speech, of course, were first argued for by people who were called "liberals" at the time -- and who are the political ancestors of modern liberals and modern libertarians.

"Conservatives" in the Burkean traditionalist sense never had much to do with either, though Burke, at least, was pro-free-speech. But, "Equality'"?! Sounds French!