Obama Continues The Surrender

[KingOrfeo]

We're talking about the President's de facto surrender to radical Islam, by not doing enough to carry out his promise to degrade and destroy Isis, and events requiring him to say so.

[shrug] He is making decisions based on a combination of political and military factors, as he must, and he wants to be very cautious about sending troops into Syria and (again) Iraq, as he should be, and his making different calculations than you would in his shoes does not constitute "de facto surrender to radical Islam."

And a coward you remain. Admit W fucked up and created a space for ISIS to emerge. Own it, Marine.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You assume we can end the war by not showing up.

If we don't show up there is no war dumbass.

Obama plans to give back 11.9 billion in frozen Iranian assets. Not only does Obama negotiate with state sponsors of terrorism, he funds them as well:

And Reagan gave Iran weapons and hooked the taliban up with small arms that would be later used to kill US soldiers...you want to go tit for tat you ain't got no moral high ground riding an elephant numb nuts.

And a coward you remain. Admit W fucked up and created a space for ISIS to emerge. Own it, Marine.

He's too partisan...he'll never admit it was a fuck up because Jesus n' freedumb n' stuff. MURICUH DAMN IT! The guy is so fucking stupid he's arguing in favor of a war he can't come up with one fucking positive about outside generic non water holding bullshit RW derp like "Cuz libertah, and taking the fight tew them is strategic n' stuff!!"

I'm not even anti war...I just think at the very least the loser should pay the fucking bill yo....not vettey...nope....just an eternal forever trillion and a half a year fuck fuck game. For what? He doesn't know.....but it's the best money spent because breitbart sayz so!!

 

[miles]

Obama plans to give back 11.9 billion in frozen Iranian assets. Not only does Obama negotiate with state sponsors of terrorism, he funds them as well:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fr...lly-Ayotte-Bob-Menendez/2015/01/21/id/619814/

He ought to just give them a few nukes and get it over with. Then he'd tell Israel to show restraint.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Maybe Israel will be forced to nuke Iran.

Then Israel would be forced to admit it has nukes. Ain't gonna happen.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Hell no I won't. Bush isn't the one who failed to arm the forces opposing Assad in Syria, where Isis began.

"The forces opposing Assad" include ISIS, and they are not the only Islamist faction opposing Assad. We should have armed them?!

Of course Bush did not arm any of them, because the civil war broke out after he left office. But whenever Obama talks about intervention in that war, the RWs call him a reckless warmonger, pointing out the above.

I really don't get the RW's position here. They only seem to agree that whatever Obama does or does not do in Syria is the wrong thing. They not only appear ambivalent as to whether the U.S. should intervene, they're not even clear as to which side we should want to win. Assad is a Hussein-like dictator, even a Ba'athist like Hussein; OTOH, he is considered a protector of Syrian Christians -- at least in the sense that, being an Alawite and representing a minority religion in Syria himself, he has a reason to promote religious pluralism. But if he falls . . . it's hard to see how this war can end without some Iraq-style ethnic cleansing.

 

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[miles]

Maybe Israel will be forced to nuke Iran.

Iran knows if they nuke Israel the Israelis will turn their shithole country into a piece of glass. A more likely scenario is a coalition of Islamonazi countries invading Israel in a ground war.

Either way The Fraud wouldn't lift a finger in their defense.

 

[miles]

Did you see Eyer come to the defense of the player mimicking taking a shit in the end zone I posted in your thread on the GB? I bring it up and suggest taking the ghetto out of football, and he launches the race card on me, probably needs a rest from the ass reaming he's getting in the Grace thread.

Eyer is fucking insane. I don't read his shit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The basic RW position is to first identify an American national security threat.

Oh.

Well, there are none such in Syria or Iraq -- there never were, in fact -- so why are we even discussing this?

 

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[KingOrfeo]

How do you know this?

Because I know ISIS is too weak and too far away to threaten the U.S.

Are you going to say we have no national security interests in the Middle East?

Not any that don't have to do with oil or Israel, we don't, and fuck Israel.

There is terrorism, of course, but that ain't no existential threat to this or any country.

 

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[Busybody]

Because I know ISIS is too weak and too far away to threaten the U.S.



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yeah

and those 19 guys with box cutters did next to no damage

 

[Busybody]

So you're willing to put American Embassies and lives in the Middle East in danger, and you're perfectly willing to cede Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Straits of Hormuz, the Suez Canal and the Southern and Eastern Med, the Gulf of Aden, the Arabian Sea to the the Islamic State? You're in favor of the Islamic Caliphate? You're far easier to understand now.

he is an idiot!

 

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[Busybody]

SURRENDER


Military intel boss: ‘Very little’ can do to prevent Taliban 5 from returning to fight http://fxn.ws/1CWtClK

 

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[KingOrfeo]

So you're willing to put American Embassies and lives in the Middle East in danger, and you're perfectly willing to cede Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Straits of Hormuz, the Suez Canal and the Southern and Eastern Med, the Gulf of Aden, the Arabian Sea to the the Islamic State? You're in favor of the Islamic Caliphate? You're far easier to understand now.

No, I'm just not afraid of the Islamic Caliphate, because it's never gonna happen. ISIS is just not popular enough to expand any further than it has -- if it were, it would have done so by now, considering how weak are its immediate enemies. In the highly unlikely event that the Islamic world ever unites, it won't be behind this lot or anything like it.

If I were Israeli, ISIS would not be one of the things keeping me up nights.

As for the embassies -- embassy staff in countries with on-the-ground anti-U.S. sentiment will always be in danger; that's not a military problem, it's an embassy security problem.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Unicorns rule in the leftist world view.

If that's all ya got, you lose. Again.