Obama Continues The Surrender

[KingOrfeo]

He's in bed with the MB and Islam in general.

We've been hearing that for six years but I've never seen any proof, and this ain't it.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

There's evidence galore. Has he made a foreign policy decision or a national security decision that didn't benefit radical Islam?

I don't know of a single one that did. W, OTOH . . .

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

How about the retreat, against the advice of better men, that resulted in the Isis takeover of much of the Middle East? How about the replenishment of the Taliban high command. How about the weak action again Isil, again against the advice of military experts, that has done nothing to change the balance of power on that battlefield? How about the appeasement of Iran? How about his support of the MB in Egypt? How about his weakness in Libya?

You mean abiding by the Status of Forces Agreement in Iraq negotiated and agreed to by his predecessor?
THAT "retreat"?

You're a fucking joke.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How about the retreat, against the advice of better men, that resulted in the Isis takeover of much of the Middle East?

See post #56.

How about the replenishment of the Taliban high command.

WTF?!

You're not seriously talking about released Gitmo prisoners, are you?!

How about the weak action again Isil, again against the advice of military experts, that has done nothing to change the balance of power on that battlefield?

That's an aspect of the Syrian Civil War, and every time Obama has even talked about intervention there the RW has called him a reckless war-monger. Now he wants an AUMF against ISIS. Should he get it?

How about the appeasement of Iran?

Very wise statesmanship. Negotiation is the only way to keep Iran from going nuclear. No, airstrikes won't work, they've built their reactors underground and bomb-hardened, any strike big enough to do the job would probably start an all-in regional ground war, which nobody needs.

Remember, also, that Iran and ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban are not part of the same "radical Islam" problem. Shi'a and Sunni Muslims don't get along; they'd sooner fight each other than fight infidels.

How about his support of the MB in Egypt?

What else? It was the duly elected and internationally recognized government at the time. Better still you should ask why the Admin refused to call the military coup against it a "coup."

How about his weakness in Libya?

"Weakness"? He went in on the side of the rebels -- should he have taken Gaddafi's side? And he applied just enough force, and no more, to keep the rebellion alive -- no American boots on the ground -- was that a mistake? The rebels won in the end, didn't they? It's hard to see how American boots on the ground would have made anything come out any better. And RWs called him a war-monger for that, too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How about the retreat, against the advice of better men, that resulted in the Isis takeover of much of the Middle East?

*~snipped for rambling bullshit about battlefields that don't exist b/c you're stuck in 1950~*

Retreat from WHAT?

What is the objective dip shit? I've been asking you for YEARS....I'm betting you don't have anything but blow hard bullshit, again.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How about the retreat, against the advice of better men, that resulted in the Isis takeover of much of the Middle East?

If we had not gone to war with Iraq, would the world ever have heard of ISIS?

 

[BotanyBoy]

If we had not gone to war with Iraq, would the world ever have heard of ISIS?

THATS NOT THE POINT THE POINT IS FREEDUMB FRIES N STUFF!! MURICUH DAMN IT!!

 

[Busybody]

THATS NOT THE POINT THE POINT IS FREEDUMB FRIES N STUFF!! MURICUH DAMN IT!!

you and QUEER ORAFARCE are two pee's in a pod....LOONZ

 

[BotanyBoy]

you and QUEER ORAFARCE are two pee's in a pod....LOONZ

Really? Then show me the money....where is America doing anything but running up a bill it can't afford??

For what?

How is life in america improved?

 

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[phrodeau]

If the rabbit hadn't stopped to take a shit in the forest, the bear wouldn't have head lunch and the rabbit wouldn't have gotten a new fur coat.

Oh, is that a commie bear?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-09cFlo3a0tA/T_FlyufdpYI/AAAAAAAAAD4/o9S3c0EpO9g/s1600/hungry+bear.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

If the rabbit hadn't stopped to take a shit in the forest, the bear wouldn't have had lunch and the rabbit wouldn't have gotten a new fur coat.

Perhaps not, but that story has no clear application as an analogy.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Neither did yours, that was the point.

Mine was not an analogy, it was a hypothetical, and it made sense, and it was relevant, and you are too cowardly to answer it. Answer it now: If we had not gone to war with Iraq, would the world ever have heard of ISIS?

 

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[phrodeau]

Obama plans to give back 11.9 billion in frozen Iranian assets. Not only does Obama negotiate with state sponsors of terrorism, he funds them as well:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fr...lly-Ayotte-Bob-Menendez/2015/01/21/id/619814/

No, he is funding the opponents of terrorists.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._hard_liners_will_ayatollah_ali_khamenei.html

Of course, we all know why you're against that idea. You need someone to hate.

 

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[The_Trouvere]

Muslims are in a lethal mood. They are likely to be in one for awhile. It is in our interest that they direct their lethal energies at each other. To do so it is in our interest to find Muslim allies who will fight the Muslims who really hate us.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Why must you always present a counterfactual conjecture about events that didn't happen? What if we didn't go to war after Pearl Harbor? How does that contribute to solutions or discussions involving actual real events after the fact that we did?

Because this thread is all about assigning blame. If we're talking about what POTUS gets the blame for ISIS existing, that's W, not Obama.

And a coward you remain.

 

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