Non-politically correct thinking

[Aquila]

What is this thing you call "Politicly Correct"
Is that where you sugar coat you happy dreams and lie to people about the real world?

 

[Ishmael]

Being discriminating in one's judgement is evidence of wisdom.

Being prejudiced in one's discrimination is short sighted.

Using the animal kingdom to illustrate a methodology for racial and gender bias rather than discriminating to ascertain ability is prejudice of the most extreme sort and clearly a reductio ad absurdum for the purposes of provokation in debate.

~

My son is the top defenceman on a ranked regional all boy hockey team. They are currently tied for first place in the league. On Sunday they were lucky to skate away to a 1-1 tie against a team half comprised of girls, many of whom were amongst the best players on the ice.

Girls tend to lack the muscle mass and physical strength to play the game at a high level, compared to boys.

In choosing 17 players from 40 for a squad, I'd want the best 17, regardless of their gender or skin color.

That's discriminating, but it's not prejudice.

Lance

Like the difference between "Cheap Furniture" and quality pieces.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

What is this thing you call "Politicly Correct"
Is that where you sugar coat you happy dreams and lie to people about the real world?

That's as good an explanation as I've heard.

Ishmael

 

[SINthysist]

Ish, you left out the good stuff...

Professor Williams OWNS Mrs. Williams and she must call him Doctor, except in moments of passion when she may call him Walter.

Dr. Williams smokes and since he owns his body and is not allowed by the government to sell his parts, he want to make sure none of them are usable after his demise. If you dies and some body part is still healthy, you haven't lived a full life.

If you go to Dr. Williams website (I don't know what it is, but I heard him say there was a link at Rush's website) you can get, if you are white, full parden and amnesty from Doctor Williams for the crimes of slavery (and you don't owe anyone any reperations money).

Doctor Williams who's like 80 REPEATEDLY challenges Sir Charles Barkley to a game of one-on-one, insitant that he can take him to school.

Dr. Williams thinks the problem with black people is black people...

AND THAT FOLKS, is just the tip of the iceburg!

 

[Hamletmaschine]

There're lots of terms used in ways that have great emotional worth but little analytical value. Take the term "politically correct."

No one who stigmatizes "political correctness" ever defines the term, preferring instead to argue with doublespeak and gobbledygook. Why is that? Because if they ever defined the term, they would discover that their own thinking is also "guilty" of political correctness--the only difference being that their own politics happens to differ from those whom they stigmatize.

 

[busybody..]

Selections from the Politically Correct Handbook



women of cover-- muslim women

Religion of Peace-- Islam
vertically challenged -- short
horizontally gifted -- fat
horizontally challenged -- thin
chronologically gifted -- old
intellectually impaired -- stupid
living impaired -- dead
romantically challenged -- not with somebody at the moment
morally (/ethically) challenged -- a crook
morally handicapped -- someone who has no other reason to park in a handicapped zone
differently-brained -- stupid
folically independent -- bald
one who is PC -- target practice
musically delayed -- tone deaf
genetically discriminating -- racist
codependent -- finger-pointer
in recovery -- drunk/junkie
in denial -- unaware that forgetting something obviously proves it happened
constructivist feminist psychotherapy -- psychobabble
economically disadvantaged -- welfare bum
target equity group -- vocal minority
sanitation engineer -- garbage man
certified astrological consultant -- crackpot
certified crystal therapist -- crackpot
certified past-life regression hypnotist -- crackpot
ontologically challenged -- fictional or mythological The absolute root of all evil known in the multidimensional
infinity of reality -- white male
people of height -- too tall
gravitationally challenged -- fat
chronologically gifted -- old
other aged -- too old/young (dual purpose)
environmentally correct human -- dead
humor challenged - Nitpicklike
motivationally challenged -- lazy
outdoor urban dwellers -- homeless
monetarily challenged -- poor
facially challenged -- ugly
visually challenged -- blind
nasally gifted -- runny nose
verbally challenged -- mute, dumb
erectionally challenged -- impotent
maintenance hole -- man-hole
socially challenged -- geek, nerd, whatever...
Cyclically challenged -- having PMS
Caucasian Culturally-Disadvantaged -- white trash
racially challenged -- butt-white American
rhythmically challenged -- white boy
financially inept -- poor
osmotically challenged -- Thirsty
aquatically challenged -- drowning
male gender biased -- prefers men who shave their chests
female gender biased -- prefers women who shave their legs
follower of Jimmy Swaggart -- lost
government employee -- stupid
nasally disadvantaged -- really BIG nose
nasally gifted -- large nose
suffering from a sex addiction (female)-- slut
suffering from a sex addiction (male)-- stud
grammatically challenged -- one who has difficulties with grammar or (by extension) punctuation or spelling
differently organized -- messy
energy-efficient -- off
creatively re-dyed -- stained
petroleum transfer technician -- gas station attendant
spatially perplexed -- drunk
amphibian American -- frog
persons of large stature -- NY Giants
bovine control officers -- Dallas Cowboys
residentially flexible -- homeless
fecally plenary - full of crap
uniquely coordinated -- clumsy
sexually focused chronologically gifted individual -- dirty old man
uniquely fortuned individual on an alternative career path -- loser
sex care provider -- prostitute
metabolically challenged -- dead
biologically challenged -- dead
person of region -- redneck
rustically inclined -- redneck
persons living with entropy -- dead
mechanically challenged -- broken down automobile
factually unencumbered -- ignorant

 

[Ishmael]

I LIKE that list. Just the tip of the ice berg.

Ishmael

 

[busybody..]

More

Politically Correct: Students

No one fails a class anymore, he's merely "passing impaired."

You don't have detention, you're just one of the"exit delayed."

Your bedroom isn't cluttered, it's just "passage restrictive."

These days, a student isn't lazy. He's "energetically declined."

Your locker isn't overflowing with junk, it's just "closure prohibitive."

Kids don't get grounded anymore. They merely hit "social speed bumps."

Your homework isn't missing, its just having an "out-of-notebook experience."

You're not sleeping in class, you're "rationing consciousness."

You're not late, you just have a "rescheduled arrival time."

You're not having a bad hair day, you're suffering from "rebellious follicle syndrome."

You don't have smelly gym socks, you have "odor-rententive athletic footwear."

No one's tall anymore. He's "vertically enhanced."

You're not shy. You're "conversationally selective."

You don't talk a lot. You're just "abundantly verbal."

You weren't passing notes in class. You were "participating in the discreet exchange of penned meditations."

You're not being sent to the principals office. You're "going on a mandatory field trip to the administrative building."

It's not called gossip anymore. It's "the speedy transmission of near-factual information."

The food at the school cafeteria isn't awful. Its digestivly challenged.

 

[weed]

Cute little list there, BB.

Cute li'l article there, too. He had some fun with some cliches and discussed his preferences as discrimination. Ok, so? It fits the definition.

Stereotyping and discrimination have their place in life as he discusses them. I discriminate againsts food packaged in plastic and non-recycled TP.

I think he's over-estimated his own worth.

It only makes sense to categorize things and people into groups that make an assessment of them easier. It doesn't mean that when dealing with individuals we shouldn't recognize that they may not have all the characteristics of the group we initially and superficially put them in.

Stereotypers should be wary. They dismiss someone/something as unworthy for their cause because of the category they fall into when a closer look at the individual may show something much different than what they thought it was in the first place.

PC became a faddish kind of thing, no doubt. But I agree with what I see as its premise. I think of it as word choice. Why use words we know someone finds derogatory when there are other words that relay what we mean just fine?

Unless the goal is to insult.

Yes, it can be pressed to extremes as most of BB's list portrays. I think more terms like 'dyke' and 'nigger' when I think un-PC.

Perhaps un-PC can be as much over-used as PC.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Walter Williams

November 27, 2002



Blah blah blah blah blah


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Walter is good.

You must know something I don't.

 

[busybody..]

Weed.

{had I disagreed with you.......I would have addressed you as Weed B gone}

You wrote:

Why use words we know someone finds derogatory when there are other words that relay what we mean just fine?


I agree, to use world that are deliberate attempts as put downs or insults........should be avoided in polite conversation.......HOWEVER.........

problem is that there is always someone who is offended.......why shouldnt we ask them to GET OVER IT?

In NY schools........Mothers day and Fathers day......cards are no longer made.......for fear of OFFENDING those that dont have them.......Well, what about those that do have them? Are their feelings to be discarded?

Some schools are not going to be "celebrating" Christmas for fear of OFFENDING their Muslim students......Well......shouldnt we be asking them to TOLERATE our religious practices? As we tolerate THEIRS?

One final one.........as I could go on and on......

Some "Womens" group have sued Dry Cleaners because their clothes cost more to clean then mens........(ignoring the labor involved with frills etc.) Are there any Mens groups that sue......because women can go to bars and drink for FREE while the guys have to pay???????

In short, some people......groups.........Just gotta GROW THE FUCK UP.........Its not always a fucking insult...

 

[crysede]

It only makes sense to categorize things and people into groups that make an assessment of them easier. It doesn't mean that when dealing with individuals we shouldn't recognize that they may not have all the characteristics of the group we initially and superficially put them in.

Stereotypers should be wary. They dismiss someone/something as unworthy for their cause because of the category they fall into when a closer look at the individual may show something much different than what they thought it was in the first place.

I've tried talking sense into 'em before Weed - doesn't matter how carefully you explain the difference between trivial and non-trivial cases of political correctness, they don't get.

I guess each and every conservative is just mentally incapable of performing the higher level reasoning that would allow them to comprehend the difference between stereotyping across groups in general, and stereotyping particular individuals.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Offensensitivity is the watchword these days. Everyone sues because they're offended, nevermind that other have the right to offend you.

That's the problem, people think that no one has the right to be offense. This is so not true. Beyond things were Equal Opportunity is necessary, employment, school entrance, etc., I have the right to offend you I want. You can do whatever trips your trigger afterwards, but offensiveness does not negate right.

*shrugs*

They really need to take the covers off the DOJ statues.

 

[weed]

I've tried talking sense into 'em before Weed - doesn't matter how carefully you explain the difference between trivial and non-trivial cases of political correctness, they don't get.

I guess each and every conservative is just mentally incapable of performing the higher level reasoning that would allow them to comprehend the difference between stereotyping across groups in general, and stereotyping particular individuals.

Not sterotyping, are you?

 

[Ishmael]

PC became a faddish kind of thing, no doubt. But I agree with what I see as its premise. I think of it as word choice. Why use words we know someone finds derogatory when there are other words that relay what we mean just fine?

Unless the goal is to insult.

Yes, it can be pressed to extremes as most of BB's list portrays. I think more terms like 'dyke' and 'nigger' when I think un-PC.

Perhaps un-PC can be as much over-used as PC.

And that is the crux of the matter weed.

Once you begin to manipulate the language all sorts of side effects set in.

I can see absolutely no difference in meaning, or intent, between blind and 'visually challenged'. Only that the latter consumes far more sylables to say the same thing. And at some point in time it will be realized that 'visually challenged' equals blind, it too will be found to be out of favor and a new term/phrase invented to replace it.

Queer and gay were two words that had very specific meanings and were co-opted by the street crowd to verbally identify homosexuals in the vernacular. Good words that must now be used with extraordinary care.

Niggardly is another that is now identified with something that it couldn't be further removed from. It's proper use has cost people their jobs and started protests on campus's. Why? Because ignorant individuals who cannot comprehend the true meaning of the word choose to identify it with another word that has Homonymistic simularities.

I agree that insults are insults. But I can take ANY word or phrase, apply it with a derogatory tone of voice, and wallah. Instant insult. Automatically assigning derogatory meanings to words that are clearly defined is extraordinarily stupid. IMHO

Ishmael

 

[weed]

Offensensitivity is the watchword these days. Everyone sues because they're offended, nevermind that other have the right to offend you.

That's the problem, people think that no one has the right to be offense. This is so not true. Beyond things were Equal Opportunity is necessary, employment, school entrance, etc., I have the right to offend you I want. You can do whatever trips your trigger afterwards, but offensiveness does not negate right.

*shrugs*

They really need to take the covers off the DOJ statues.

Just have to agree with you, KM. Freedom of speech gives pretty much free reign to be as offensive as you want.

People who don't care to be diplomatic, courteous or just plain old respectful of their fellow human beings can choose whatever words they want to.

And those who don't care for the words they choose can let them know about it.

 

[teddybear4play]

I agree that insults are insults. But I can take ANY word or phrase, apply it with a derogatory tone of voice, and wallah. Instant insult.

You're discriminating against the French by not saying voilá.

What is this thing you call "Politicly Correct"
Is that where you sugar coat you happy dreams and lie to people about the real world?

Yes.

Like saying your av's penis isn't waggling, it's "motion-enhanced."

TB4p

 

[busybody..]

ISH

Interesting comment about using words as a distortion.......

I have often thought about the term RIGHT TO CHOSE!

I agree........a women has a right to chose.......

To abstain

Use birth control devices

etc

But once she is pregnant???????? It no longer is HER choice EXCLUSIVLY?

Can the BF have a say? Not according to the courts......can the BABY......and YES, it is a baby....have a say???????

So why dont we call it for what it is?

Can a woment have a right to abort her growing/living fetus?

Using THOSE words and not the innocuous words of RIGHT TO CHOSE.........

WOULD MOST AMERICANS AGREE? I DONT BELIEVE SO!

Yes, words have consequences!

 

[crysede]

And that is the crux of the matter weed.

Once you begin to manipulate the language all sorts of side effects set in.

I can see absolutely no difference in meaning, or intent, between blind and 'visually challenged'. Only that the latter consumes far more sylables to say the same thing. And at some point in time it will be realized that 'visually challenged' equals blind, it too will be found to be out of favor and a new term/phrase invented to replace it.

Queer and gay were two words that had very specific meanings and were co-opted by the street crowd to verbally identify homosexuals in the vernacular. Good words that must now be used with extraordinary care.

Niggardly is another that is now identified with something that it couldn't be further removed from. It's proper use has cost people their jobs and started protests on campus's. Why? Because ignorant individuals who cannot comprehend the true meaning of the word choose to identify it with another word that has Homonymistic simularities.

I agree that insults are insults. But I can take ANY word or phrase, apply it with a derogatory tone of voice, and wallah. Instant insult. Automatically assigning derogatory meanings to words that are clearly defined is extraordinarily stupid. IMHO

Ishmael

You are still only considering PC in it's extremist form - of course it doesn't make any sense, show me an extremist position that does! The moment politicians get their hands on a good idea they reduce it to something idiotic - it's the well known anti-Midian 'moronic-touch' effect.

Thankfully, the original idea cannot be destroyed - and it's the original, perfectly intelligent and useful, concept of political correctness that most of us liberals abide by.

And yet it is always the idiotic and useless concept of political correctness that you conservatives attack - "straw man" anyone?

 

[crysede]

Re: ISH

Yes, words have consequences!

Well then - you agree with the entire premise behind political correctness: the words we use do have real consequences.

Welcome to the dark side

 

[weed]

And that is the crux of the matter weed.

Once you begin to manipulate the language all sorts of side effects set in.

I can see absolutely no difference in meaning, or intent, between blind and 'visually challenged'. Only that the latter consumes far more sylables to say the same thing. And at some point in time it will be realized that 'visually challenged' equals blind, it too will be found to be out of favor and a new term/phrase invented to replace it.

Queer and gay were two words that had very specific meanings and were co-opted by the street crowd to verbally identify homosexuals in the vernacular. Good words that must now be used with extraordinary care.

Niggardly is another that is now identified with something that it couldn't be further removed from. It's proper use has cost people their jobs and started protests on campus's. Why? Because ignorant individuals who cannot comprehend the true meaning of the word choose to identify it with another word that has Homonymistic simularities.

I agree that insults are insults. But I can take ANY word or phrase, apply it with a derogatory tone of voice, and wallah. Instant insult. Automatically assigning derogatory meanings to words that are clearly defined is extraordinarily stupid. IMHO

Ishmael

It's no mystery that language and meaning change with time.

"Nigger" is now considered derogatory. Not too many people are not aware of this at this point. So why use it? To insult or indulge in home-boy speak, either intent would be obvious.

I have no doubt that you can take ANY word or phrase and make it derogatory.

However...it is the use of obviously derogatory words that I refer to...not the extremes.

"Squaw" is a word I think of that has moved into the realm of un-PC recently but many would not know about. I always thought of squaw as the cute li'l Princess Pocahontas type til I recently found out it is the equivalent of "cunt" amongst my native neighbors. So now that I have this knowledge should I stubbornly continue to use even though I know it's insulting?

I think not. And I call it courtesy not PC. You want to call it language manipulation? I call it awareness.

That's word choice. Not PC.

 

[Ishmael]

You are still only considering PC in it's extremist form - of course it doesn't make any sense, show me an extremist position that does! The moment politicians get their hands on a good idea they reduce it to something idiotic - it's the well known anti-Midian 'moronic-touch' effect.

Thankfully, the original idea cannot be destroyed - and it's the original, perfectly intelligent and useful, concept of political correctness that most of us liberals abide by.

And yet it is always the idiotic and useless concept of political correctness that you conservatives attack - "straw man" anyone?

Wrong-o, oh liberal witch of the north.

The politicians are the followers here. This crap is coming off the college campus's. Bastions of education that should know better. Or at least the proper use of the language.

Ishmael

 

[Rex1960]

I somehow think the entire discussion about PC is kind of off the track every once in a while.

The human brain just works the way it does, it's so much easier to open drawers and stuff in words / pull out labels like NEGRO, LONGNOSE, MUSLIM, GOJ.

Once we only think of them as what they are, labels, they just loose weight and nobody is offending anybody, anybody needs to feel offended.

The very day we don't have to think that one person is labeled this and the other is labeled that we wouldn't need to think of PC.

Once we'll realise that there is no difference between all these religions/skin colours/sexual orientations we wouldn't even need those labels anymore except this one: fucktarding trolls.

oh wait - i can think of another one: liberal slut

 

[crysede]

Wrong-o, oh liberal witch of the north.

The politicians are the followers here. This crap is coming off the college campus's. Bastions of education that should know better. Or at least the proper use of the language.

Ishmael

I'm sorry, where was the article you posted from again? A professor of some sort wasn't it? No - that can't be it - after all, universities don't let people speak their minds, they don't know any better

Why not try debating the real argument for political correctness some day instead of your silly straw-men - it's good to challenge yourself now and then with a real issue, builds character

 

[Ishmael]

oh wait - i can think of another one: liberal slut

Rex, you need to go here:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132023

To say that.

Ishmael