nominations

[Guest]

Dillinger should be hanged, Chad

Thank you, Deborah. You put into words exactly what I was thinking. I never could have put it into words so succinctly or made it so black and white. Seems to be no doubt what the game here was.

I agree with Whispersecret and Deborah. Dillinger is a mediocre writer. What is probably more pathetic than his deception and fraud is that he could possibly believe that some of the bright people here would actually believe that 7 of his stories are in the top 25 on Literotica. That part of it is actually somewhat funny. Got to try and see a little humor in everything.

 

[Rachel Picabia]

It's maybe going too far pulling Dillinger The Rat's stories from the site (probably just incite him to more acts of sabotage) but I think he definitely should have all his nominations pulled from the Author's Awards. It might be a good idea to out him on that board too, maybe repost Debz's analysis - public humiliation sounds like an appropriate punishment.

Rach, good to see you

Good to see you too, Whisp.

....but take the Lasher conversation to another thread. I'd like to stay on topic.

Love to be able to help you with that, babe, but I have this inate inability to keep my mouth shut. ;o)~ BRING BACK LASHER!!!

 

[Madame Pandora]

Numbers Update

Well...okay...

We've pretty much estabilshed what's going on, so I don't know if it makes sense to keep posting my numbers, but what the hell.

Last night - before I went to bed, my J&D story had 325 votes and a 4.68 rating. It also happened to pop up to #2 on the Top List. (You might as well have painted a big red bull's eye on it)

Now, it's got 335 votes and a 4.65 rating. Now...okay...again I'm no good at math, but that seems to indicate that ALL OF A SUDDEN I got a rash of really low votes. For it to move three tenths of a point in only 10 votes, especially since I am up into the 300s...I got some 1s there, don't you think, Deb?

I don't know what should or shouldn't be done with the guilty parties, even if there is a way of figuring out who they are for sure...I mean, take all of a snert's stories away and not only is there the possibility of vindictiveness, but what's to stop him from coming back with a different name and starting all over again?

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way.

If the little loser needs to manipulate a computer voting process so that he can exist in the denial that someone likes his work...well,then life is obviously sad enough for him. Maybe if we take away this one chance to be king of the cyber hill, it'll be what puts him over the egde.

I for one would hate to push some guy with a fragile ego and propably a tiny penis into taking that last step to serial killer.

Whoever Jessica is, I hope she's got insurance.

MP

 

[CreamyLady]

Well, look on the bright side people: your stories have made the top lists, and many are still there.

Mine, on the other hand, apparently don't. Oh, well.

 

[Guest]

Me too, CL. My stories are nowhere to be seen.

 

[WriterDom]

Once you get to a certain level of votes, a (one) vote becomes pretty insignificant in the total picture. Say you are at 300 votes with a 4.5 and you get a (one) it would take you down to 4.49

MP your average for the night using your numbers is 3.675 there may have been ones involved , but it's just as likely to have been a mix of scores.

The changes are pretty dramatic if your story enters from the old system with a few high votes, but in the total picture I think this is much to do about nothing.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I beg to differ. "Teaching Patti" has never not been in the Top 10. Never. Not since the board began well over a year ago.

And now it's gone. I don't know where it is, but it's nowhere near the top. Not ever close.

Now, "Teaching Patti" may or may not be deserving of a Top 10 spot, it doesn't matter. The point is, it's never not been there. And suddenly, in the middle of all these concerns from other writers, I notice that it's gone.

That's too much of a coincidence. To me that is a very sure indication that manipulation of the voting system is involved. I think ther is very much ado about something going on here.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Though I've had my share of "heading the bill" and I'm happy to let other stories take the top slots, I admit to being curious about this. I just looked for Teaching Patti's ranking. Chapter 1, as I said above, has never been out of the Top 10. It was there just a few weeks ago.

I just checked the Top 500 and couldn't find it.

LOL -- It's turning into a whole "Teaching Patti" conspiracy month for me. First it's ripped off an put on another site, and now someone has spent a HELL of a lot of time pushing it down an enormous list.

Unless something strange happened when the stories were moved over to the new site? I don't know. It's just not my month, I suppose.

 

[WriterDom]

Teaching Patti, along with all the other "old" stories lost all their old votes with the new system. Part 4 and 7 and number 2&3 on the top novel section, with about 12 votes or so. It would probably do a lot better if you could reintroduce it as a new story.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Not trying to be a smartie pants...but

Okay....

Dom...I'm not jumping on you, just trying to talk something out here, so...give me a sec.

So...let's go maximum benefit of the doubt here. Let's say it's just coincidence.

My story gets 325 votes that have an average of 4.68, then the next 10 votes knock it to 4.65. Okay...so we could say there are 10 people in a row who weren't that jazzed by it and it just so happens they voted on it at the same time it hit a high mark in the Top List. Fair enough.

But...let's take it a step beyond that.

I got 4 emails between the time I went to bed and the time I woke up - while those 10 votes were cast. 4 emails ALL of very positive feedback from readers. So, I'm guessing they would have probably cast a 4 or a 5...fair enough?

So...giving those 4 a 4.5 average, that means the other 6 votes were an average of 2.75.

I will accpet that it's just coincidence and I hit a bad pocket of votes, or whatever, but you honestly don't think it's a LITTLE suspiscious that my average drops 2 points right when it posts near the top?

Deb will have to check my numbers...but I think I'm not too far off base here.

Okay....that said I have GOT to get over this cold. I've got too much spare time...lol.

I wasn't trying to contribute to much ado about nothing, but the boards are here to discuss stuff, and I really feel this is something worth mentioning if it's going on...don't you?

MP

 

[WriterDom]

I said in the beginning of the thread that a fairer way to go about it would be throw out a percentage of both the highest and lowest scores. That would negate much of the anti vote and take away some of the buddy voting.
As far as dillinger goes, if people feel he shouldn't have so many stories near the top, then they should express that in the voting. Will be interesting to see where his stories will be six months from now.

 

[Dillinger]

I'm sorry people feel this way. I've been pleased with how well my stories are doing. And yes - I have promoted them heavily. I've told lots of people in the chat site here to go vote on them. And I've told lots of other friends from other sites I frequent regularly to read them and vote on them as well. I have been online a long, long time and know A LOT of people.

I assume all the writers here are proud of their work. Maybe I'm a bit overzealous in my self promotion but I don't believe there is any crime in that?

 

[Expertise]

Hey Dillinger. I'm on your side if only because Deborah isn't.

That an the fact that innocence is presumed until proven otherwise.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Another Whatif

Dillinger,

Like I said to Dom...I'm willing to accept that it's a coincidence...but it's at least worth talking out...and I'm glad you did say something

There's nothing wrong with self promotion. Do you think maybe that since you've been online so long and have so many friends that maybe someone else is doing things for you?

I don't think discussion ever hurt anything...although I wan't out to injure your feelings. Even from your perspective, though, don't you think the numbers look a little odd?

MP

 

[Guest]

Integrity.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Nothing wrong with self promotion. The problem is that your integrity is being called into question because you're the only one whose stories don't seem to stay at the top. I've watched my own, Stalking Tango, which has gotten rave email suddenly drop in the space of 3 votes. After doing the math that means one thing, three ones in a row. Of course, if it's crappy, then it deserves a one. If it's not crappy and you or one of your fans doesn't like the competition, then that's wrong. Doesn't it bother you to not have an honest, unbiased opinion of your work? I don't show my stuff to friends for unbiased opinions, because they won't give it.

Self promote. Knock yourself out. But as long as stories, like the proven winner Teaching Patti, can't compete with your stories, which are mediocre in my opinion, your integrity will be questioned, as well as your honor. It has nothing to do with self promotion but cheating. Being at the top of a list means nothing if you've rigged it. I personally will reserve judgement and give you the benefit of the doubt. Others, in case you haven't already noticed, won't.

I read one of your Jessica stories and found it to be pretty much run of the mill and the writing didn't distract me from the teeth gritting errors. I gave you a 3 for it. I doubt I'll read one of your pieces again because it's not my perversion and the writing wasn't outstanding enough for it to interest me. I'm sure that you find mine equally as dull, someone must to give me three one votes in a row. So far, I haven't received an email as to why. It would be nice. If I'd given you a one, I'd had the decency to tell you why.

So, whoever is doing the kamikaze one voting against everyone who is a threat to Dillinger's standing, you aren't doing Dillinger any favors. And you aren't helping Literotica at all.

 

[Rachel Picabia]

To hell with "innocent until proven guilty". This isn't a court room. It's a bulletin board. I want to see those fingers pointing. Much more fun. I'm with KM on this one.

rach
xox

(Lol. Sorry, I just feel like stirring things up a bit today.)

 

[Todd]

I frequent regularly to read them and vote on them as well.

And there is the statement of Guilt. The system is set up so that you can only vote once per story unless you cheat and multi isp and proxie.

Guilty as charged.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Self Promotion

I don't think there's anything wrong with giving yourself a 5...or asking your friends to vote. I had a friend of mine vote and she gave me a 5. Now, granted...registering under different URLs to nominate yourself and hand yourself extra votes is not a good thing, and should be prevented if possible.

But, that's not what concerns me.

It's the voting DOWN of other people's stuff. I just think that's wrong, and very mean spirited.

If it's what's going on (and it seems hard to consider that it's not) and whomever is doing it...it's unfortunate. Vote yourself up...promote yourself, okay. But to trash someone else's stuff. I think that's inexcusable.

MP

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I asked Dillinger to repsond to all this since he was being accused here without an opportunity to speak.

I have no idea what's going on. Writerdom, I do recall now Laurel saying something about the old votes not transferring over, so I'm sure there's something there.

Anyway, I'm willing to leave off this until Laurel feels like addressing it.

 

[Madame Pandora]

I've watched my own, Stalking Tango, which has gotten rave email suddenly drop in the space of 3 votes. After doing the math that means one thing, three ones in a row. Of course, if it's crappy, then it deserves a one.

KM, I just read your story and it being crappy isn't an option, it's fabulous. Even if it's not the genre of my choice, it's bloody well written! The only person who'd give it a one is someone who might be intimidated because you dared to use a word like preternatural. You know how those multi syllable things can make some people nervous!

Someone giving this story a 1 can't (at least to my thinking) have any motivation other than a personal adgenda. I'm sure the feedback you're getting in email confirms that. Sorry you got tanked ;-(

MP

 

[Countess DeWinter]

I read Stalking Tango again just to refresh myself. Very well written. Good use of the language. I'm enough of a lover of good writing and such that I can say that despite the fact that the story didn't really jazz me.

I think - in my most low and humble opinion - that you're giving a lot of credit to Lit's average Joe readers. They're not usually lit majors or fellow writers. Usually, they're just regular folks looking to get off on some sexy writing. So I can definately see how someone, expecting something a little different and being disappointed would give it a low rating based on the story's topic. Probably a lot of people vote like that. If they vote.
If I find a story like that, I just hit the <back> button and read something else.

Just my opinion. Very humble. Don't get mad, KM! I love you, just not that story (which IS very well written!!)

 

[Madame Pandora]

Well, if you're going to be all logical about it....

Countess if you're going to bring logic into all this, what next? Reason? LOL

Seriously...good point to consider. You're saying they like Jessica because they can dance to it, and something like Tango goves over their heads and they whomp it with a 1 in frustration?

Hmmmmm.

I dunno. I've gotten feedback from a lot of people who don't hesitate to say "Your story wasn't my usual taste, but it's well written." I think the average Joe reader deserves a little more credit.

I don't know that the "frustrated lurking gland" theory would explain all this. But it IS something to consider!

MP

 

[Gaucho]

I took one point off because you burped your wine...

I think - in my most low and humble opinion - that you're giving a lot of credit to Lit's average Joe readers. They're not usually lit majors or fellow writers. Usually, they're just regular folks looking to get off on some sexy writing. So I can definately see how someone, expecting something a little different and being disappointed would give it a low rating based on the story's topic. Probably a lot of people vote like that. If they vote.
If I find a story like that, I just hit the <back> button and read something else.

This is an excellent point and one I've had myself from time to time. I wholeheartedly agree that Stalking Tango is a well written story, but if I were reading it with the hope that it would give me wood and get me off (I know I'm the only person who ever reads these stories for that reason!) then sorry, it didn't make it. Is that a reason to give it a "1"? Of course not.

I rarely give any story less than a 3 unless the spelling and grammar is so bad that I can't jack off to it. In that case, like the Contessa, I'd probably just back out of the story without voting at all.

And of course, I'm kidding about all of this. I'd never come to this site to jack off. Really.

 

[Guest]

I'm sure that you find mine equally as dull.

...or the errors equally as (sic) teeth gritting.