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[Madame Pandora]

Harold

Harold -

You're a trip. You should change your name to the Literotica Almanac!!! LOL

Thanks for knowin' it all, sugar

That's a great feature...can't wait to see it work. You guys think of everything!

MP

 

[Guest]

I also had a story in the top 5 on the top list recently. Next day it plummeted just like how some of you said. I went back and checked. It received two 1 votes.

I think Whispersecret hit the nail on the head with "whose story remains at the top consistently?" Go look at the top list. One name does stand out prominently. Go read that author's posts. Seems rather obsessed with promoting his stories. Go read the "Award Nominations" and see who nominated him. Who are these people?

 

[Svedish_Chef]

I also had a story in the top 5 on the top list recently. Next day it plummeted just like how some of you said. I went back and checked. It received two 1 votes.

I think Whispersecret hit the nail on the head with "whose story remains at the top consistently?" Go look at the top list. One name does stand out prominently. Go read that author's posts. Seems rather obsessed with promoting his stories. Go read the "Award Nominations" and see who nominated him. Who are these people?

Im lazy... anyone you would care to name?

 

[Nicole]

Yeah me too, cause I just went over there and I'm so lost it isn't funny.

Please fill us in.

 

[Deborah]

Ewe Aussies are sooo stoopid. Just kidding, girls. But LOL anyway! I have a slight advantage in this sort of thing due to my education and job, where I frequently crunch numbers, do stat analysis, project trends, etc.

I'm not at my house at the moment where I have the top lists for the past week or so. When I get home later I'll check this out further. You really need to look and see how a story fluctuated from day-to-day. Besides, I just woke up, have a slight hangover and I'm only on my first coffee.

I see who the culprit is! Madame Pandora. Just kidding, Madame, I know it's not ewe. But I see looking at today's list on line you are near the top so congrats! Wonder how long you'll be there. You might watch your votes closely today. You also seem to have some very good ideas (for a newbie).

It does appear from looking at today's list that the culprit wised up a bit and quit with the 1's. Wouldn't you if people started sniffing around your scam? How dumb was that anyway. Like WS said, who is going to believe a 1 for Dixon? Or for her. Or for some of these other noteworthy authors. Doh! Shame on the culprit. Probably would have gone undetected if he had been a little smarter. I do notice that the same story that was #1 yesterday is still #1 today. Other stories near the top did drop but not nearly as dramatically.

Regarding the number of hits, that may be an indicator of a story's popularity to a certain extent, but I'm not sure that's the answer. May be something to work into the equation, though. I get the number of hits on stories from another site where I publish. Don't particularly want to give the link here, but if anyone is really interested, send me an e-mail and I'll give you the link and tell you what it all means.

What Madame Pandora and Whispersecret said about increasing the number of votes from 10 to 60 or 100 or whatever. Makes sense but does have the disadvantage of excluding most stories, at least now, from consideration. I have 19 stories on Lit under "Deborah" and several others under pseudonyms. Of those 19 stories, 6 are "new" and of course have much higher total votes. The 13 old stories are sitting there with vote totals like 15, 11, 5, 10 to name a few. In fact, I still have 4 stories with "perfect" 5.00 scores but under 10 votes. They could conceivably one day make it to at or near the top of the list if things remain the way they are. Of course, the next day they might be in Siberia. I'd much rather see the possibility of voting fraud be minimized for the future than care about any stories from the past.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Newbies Can have good ideas too...lol

For what it's worth

My story Janie & Dell was at 180 votes last night before it appeared on the board with a 7.1 rating. It's now got 210 and a 4.69 rating. I was an English major, so I don't even know if that's good or bad. LOL. To me, anything 4 or above is good and once you get 100 or so, I don't think any one person is going to be able to sway anything all that much.

I wasn't suggesting using the number of hits as anything decisive. Just thought it would be cool to know what the ratio of hits to voters is.

To my way of thinking, even if a story has a 5.0 rating, if it has less than 10 votes, it's not a very good representation for a top list. I know we all have a piece of ourselves inside our stories, and we want them to do good, but it's like a team who only played 5 games getting #1 in the AP college poll. Sure, they're undefeated, but they only played 5 games. What about the teams who played 17 but lost 1 or 2? Sorry for the football analogy, but I'm hoping it made sense. These days, it appears the newer stories get lots of hits because the "new" section seems to get good traffic. I'm new here, but I guess from what you're saying there was a time when there wasn't such traffic.

Maybe there could be a section called "Oldies But Goodies" featuring older stories which could be recycled every so often?

I think the memeber listing of votes will also be very insightful.

I also hate for my last thought to make me sound like a voting official from Palm Beach county...but has anyone considered that having the voting tool set to default on 3 is maybe not such a good idea? I accidentally gave a story a 3 last month that would have gotten a 5 because I just clicked on "vote" thinking that would take me to a link where I could vote (I thought the setting on 3 was an example). It was the first time I'd voted, and I know the difference now, but I have a friend (the one who told me about this site) who said she clicked on vote a couple times for a couple stories without realizing the actual process. I'm not saying it's a big problem, but maybe it's something to consider?


MP

 

[Deborah]

Answered your e-mail Madame Pandora, but the cat's out of the bag on that link anyway. Go read the "Read This!!!" thread. LMFAO!

 

[KillerMuffin]

I've been keeping track of the Gathering Night. I know it's the not the best, but I know it's not junk either. The stories that rate a 1 out there usually just don't make the site. Laurel doesn't post trash. In the space of one vote my story dropped from a 4.24 to a 4.16, considering theres only about 73 votes, then that tells me someone voted a 1 on it. That kind of upset me, I would like to know why that person thought it was bad enough to a rate a 1. I also noticed that a lot of stories are going down fast. Some of them that are worth 5's easy suddenly dropping like flies. I'm also wondering if it isn't someone just going through the top 25 and voting 1's to cover ass.

However, I don't see how anything can be done about it, other than throwing out the top and bottom layer of votes and going down the middle.

Like Deb said, it's possible to vote more than once on a story, but I don't do it, to mine or anyone else's.

 

[Passionnee]

I also had a story in the top 5 on the top list recently. Next day it plummeted just like how some of you said. I went back and checked. It received two 1 votes.

I think Whispersecret hit the nail on the head with "whose story remains at the top consistently?" Go look at the top list. One name does stand out prominently. Go read that author's posts. Seems rather obsessed with promoting his stories. Go read the "Award Nominations" and see who nominated him. Who are these people?

I know who you are mentioning, they are chat people. That individual comes in chat regurlarly and promotes his stories there. Nonetheless, something is weird.

 

[Guest]

Passionee, I never go into chat, so I wouldn't know about that. Just to make absolutely sure, you are talking about the author who has the #1, #4, #10, #11, #15 and #16 stories on today's Top Submissions: Stories (All) list, is that correct?

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Ewe Aussies are sooo stoopid. Just kidding, girls. But LOL anyway! I have a slight advantage in this sort of thing due to my education and job, where I frequently crunch numbers, do stat analysis, project trends, etc.

Yeah OK I got less lazy and looked, Hmmm doesn't seem like the normal quality toplist I am used to. That member thing will be really handy cause it just looks really bad.

I mean First Night is 63rd! on the incest list!!!!!!!

I await the members voting thing working

 

[Passionnee]

Passionee, I never go into chat, so I wouldn't know about that. Just to make absolutely sure, you are talking about the author who has the #1, #4, #10, #11, #15 and #16 stories on today's Top Submissions: Stories (All) list, is that correct?

Yes it is!! You can email me if you want. Something just don't seem right.

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Thanks for the chainsaw, Debz,

that seems to have done the trick.

People who do things like that are living a horrible life anyway, because unless they’re sociopaths, they KNOW that what they’re doing is wrong, and they know that they are low-lifes.

That's the thing about sociopaths, Whisp, they do know what they're doing. They just don't care. They haven't developed the ability to empathise.

rach
xox

Oh, look at that! I've been here since march and I've barely reached puberty (I mean posts-wise before you start supergrassing me to the social services.) Fuck the best author award - I think there should be nominations for people who manage to last a week here without reaching their 1000th post. In fact I'd probably be up there in the top ten (It's been a tough ride remaining chaste in the face of such rampant promiscuity but somehow I've managed to keep my knickers up.) I'm sure though that Debra Marples would get her calculator out and start beating on my cute little Scottish ass for trying to rig the votes with this split-personality scam I've got going on. LOL. You know I luv ya, sister.

Actually, I would be interested in knowing who's been here the longest whilst managing to keep below a thousand posts. Debz has been here since last December. Is she to be the Virgin Queen Of Literotica? Send your nominations right here. I'm moderating this particular poll. It only counts if the nominee has posted on Lit at least once in the past month.

Here's an interesting theorem - have you noticed the way the number of meaningless one-line posts has dramatically increased ever since we got rid of the guard dog. BRING BACK LASHER, I SAY!!!!

Now, I'm off to have lesbian love with my bonny Talahassi Lassie. (Ok, so she's not from Talahassi but Michigan doesn't rhyme with anything.)

 

[Madame Pandora]

What if...

Okay,

It is entirely possible that my devil's advocate instincts are emerging here, but something occurred to me today. I don't pretend to understand that last post...but before any accusations get hurled (too late...lol)...there is one single thought that occurred to me.

Okay, so we've all noticed that our stories tend to get hit a little harder when they first appear near the top of the Top Lists.

What if the simplist possibility is the truth? What if we are talking about human nature here? I mean...when you hear a movie is #1 at the box office, you place a little more expectation on it, and if it doesn't deliever, you tend to be a little more harsh in your assessment afterward, don't you?

Maybe - just maybe - we aren't talking about one person (or group's) influence. Maybe it's just the natural instinct of people to be harder on something with more expectations placed upon it. You know...the irresistable urge to push someone off the top of the hill?

I just thought it was something worth mentioning. Granted, it does seem...an odd coincidence if some people don't drop while nearly everyone else does, but there might be simple, non-conspiracy reasons for it, too.

MP

 

[Rachel Picabia]

I don't pretend to understand that last post...

Sorry, MP. That last one was geared more to the old-timers. I was talking about the way you're given a title like "virgin", "guru" or "sex goddess of the western world" depending how many posts you've done. Lasher used to come in and snap at people and keep the posters in line (or at least get them riled up), which I think tended to cut down the number of meaningless posts. Did you know that just a few months ago you could check out the board first thing in the morning and when you popped back in at dinner-time you'd still be able to recognise at least half the threads. Quantity doesn't always mean quality, I'm afraid.

rach
xox

BTW, if Sweet deborah tries to tell you I'm a man, don't listen to her. She's just jealous 'cause I have a faster car than her.

 

[Whispersecret]

Rach, good to see you, but take the Lasher conversation to another thread. I'd like to stay on topic.

So, I guess my theory about people supporting Dixon being pinpointed for revenge is a bust. Okay, it was just an idea.

Pandora, I think that your explanation has some merit, but it doesn't quite wash. I've felt that disappointment phenomenon with the movies. I'm sure it happens here too, but to vote a 1? That's more than disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

 

[April]

Okay, please forgive me in advance for rambling. LOL

Ever since I became addicted to the board, I stopped reading the stories, except maybe 2 a month. Sad, I know.

I read most of this thread today, and didn't really understand what you guys were talking about. Keep in mind that it's been something like 3 or 4 months since I've looked at the Top Ten List.

I went to look today to try to figure out what the deal is. Wow! Was I shocked! That top list is fucking confusing! Now I think I know what Nicole was talking about. That thing is a horrible mess. Not viewer friendly at all!

I still can't figure out who y'all are talking about, but it doesn't matter anyway. At least, not to me. Anyway, while I was in the area, I made sure to do some voting.

But man, I would need like a week to catch up with the amount of stories that have been posted. That's just intimidating, and I think I'll just stay here in the corner of the BB.

Thanks for reading. Or not, as the mood strikes you.

 

[Deborah]

The numbers don't lie

I accuse Dillinger of fraud, manipulating the voting on stories.

I went back and looked at what has transpired in the past five days with those six stories of Dillinger's mentioned by Concerned, which were all part of his "Jessica's Big Dick Adventure" series. I found one more of his, "The Lingerie Store," which I'm including in this analysis.

On 12/28 Dillinger's stories appeared on the top list as follows ...

#7 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 2
#13 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 3
#28 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 7
#36 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 6
#46 The Lingerie Store
#53 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 1
#57 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 4

Five days later, today, 1/1, those seven stories appear on the top list as follow ...

#1 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 2
#4 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 3
#10 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 7
#11 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 4
#15 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 1
#16 Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 6
#22 The Lingerie Store

Six of these stories of Dillinger's INCREASED in Rating (average score) over the past five days. Only one decreased slightly, "Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 2" which went from 4.80 to 4.71, but it still managed to be the #1 story today 1/1, as it was yesterday 12/31. And do you know why the rating for that story decreased? It was 4.84 yesterday, 12/31. Dillinger gave himself some 1 votes and quit dolling out the 1 votes to other stories because he knew his scam was comining unraveled. Get it? So he could say, "Well, geez, I got some 1 votes too."

That's what happened to Dillinger's seven stories in the past five days. What do you suppose happened to the other 50 stories that were between Dillinger's #57 "Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 4" and the top of the list on 12/28? As of today 1/1, the rating for 47 of those stories DECREASED. Three increased. They were #39 "Built for One Thing" by G. H. Laurence which went from 4.40 to 4.43 and has been nominated for several awards, #41 "Uncle Beau" by Madame Pandora (who now has another story that is #3 today) which went from 4.40 to 4.42 and #55 "Jamaican" by Fast Jack which went from 4.36 to 4.43. All three of those stories have a substantial number of votes which makes it more difficult to affect the rating and they probably were given less "attention" by Dillinger since they were not near the top of the list.

It is not statistically possible for this to be some random event and can not be explained by other than fraud.

I have already described what happened each day from 12/28 to 1/1. The stories, other than Dillinger's, at the top, would get bumped off, some very drastically with 1 votes. Other stories would then appear at the top and they would get bumped off the next day. I can go into specific details on exactly what happened if necessary, but you get the idea from my previous posts.

I went and read Dillinger's 20 posts on the Bulletin Board and 9 of those posts are plugs for his story, listing the link. I checked out who nominated him for awards. I suspect GB, cyclequeen's world and laetitia are not persons, merely his own creation. The only posts these registered users have made are those nominating him. Of course, they can vote for the awards. I wonder how many others he has lined up. I don't know exactly what Passionee has to offer other than Dillinger and "friends" apparently plugged his stories in chat as well.

I read some of Dillinger's stories. I think they suck. Just some same old same old. Not nearly the quality of some of the fine authors on this site.

Give it up, Dillinger. You are done and forked.

 

[Cheyenne]

There's the Deborah we know and love!!! Good work, girl!

I ran into a similar problem with a dealer at eBay about a year ago who was using shill bids he placed himself to bid up the prices on items he had for sale. He had one item with a market value of $3,000 up to about $5,500 without reaching his reserve price! I turned him in and eBay suspended him for a month. All his auctions were closed immediately. I think the same fate should befall Dillinger- yank every one of his stories from the site.

 

[April]

Deborah, thank you for pointing out what is going on in plain English. I truly do appreciate it.

 

[Passionnee]

Re: The numbers don't lie

I accuse Dillinger of fraud, manipulating the voting on stories.


I went and read Dillinger's 20 posts on the Bulletin Board and 9 of those posts are plugs for his story, listing the link. I checked out who nominated him for awards. I suspect GB, cyclequeen's world and laetitia are not persons, merely his own creation. The only posts these registered users have made are those nominating him. Of course, they can vote for the awards. I wonder how many others he has lined up. I don't know exactly what Passionee has to offer other than Dillinger and "friends" apparently plugged his stories in chat as well.

I read some of Dillinger's stories. I think they suck. Just some same old same old. Not nearly the quality of some of the fine authors on this site.

Give it up, Dillinger. You are done and forked.

Ok here is the info I know and can give you. Tilly, cyclequeens world are really chat regulars. As for laetitia no clue. Dillinger is a character that had been coming in the room for a couple of months, for the past month he comes in and add to his name 1published..and as the days went by the number would grow. Hell he got 10 stories published in less then 20 days. Let's just say he brags about it a lot in the chat room, and put a link in his profile to the stories.

You have to understand that not all of the chat members read the stories or know the existence of the BB, so they go when someone mentions they got a story up. I will probably get flamed for this, but here it is. Not all of them know the difference between a good story like DCL's Teaching Patti series, and amateur work by Dillinger.

So that clarifies the posting by people on the awards board. Nonetheless even if the chat room is frequented alot it doesn't explain his high ranking, and the other authors drops.





[Edited by Passionnee on 01-02-2001 at 10:22 AM]

 

[Madame Pandora]

Statistics

Okay, the devil's advocate surrenders. This line by Debroah pretty much sums it all up for me:

"It is not statistically possible for this to be some random event and can not be explained by other than fraud."

I was an English major, but I remember enough from math class to know that numbers don't lie ;- I agree, there is something rotten in Denmark.

I don't know if it's the case for everyone, but on my computer, the "Top Lists" board is not updating automatically like it used to. Case in point: it shows my story Janie & Dell at 184 votes with an average of 4.70 this has been the case since I woke up this morning, and everytime I checked on it between naps. Currently, when I log in, it shows my numbers as 290 votes with an average of 4.67.

For grins and giggles, I started tracking this story since it hit the board. Mainly because of this thread.

Before hitting the Top List page:
180 votes - 4.71 rating
Hit the board:
184 votes - 4.70 rating
Since the board:
210 votes - 4.69 rating
220 votes - 4.67 rating
230 votes - 4.67 rating
255 votes - 4.68 rating
276 votes - 4.68 rating
290 votes - 4.67 rating

I have NO IDEA what theses numbers represent (as far as statistics) but it looks to me like I started getting lower scores as soon as I hit the Top Lists page (and, at least in theory, became a threat to the escapades of Roger Rabbit's wife and some guy's meat). I don't say that to be arrogant, I'm just putting it on the table. My numbers were up there and if he is manipulating the scores, well, that's that. I've gotten enough response from readers to be pretty sure that my story doesn't suck.

The odd thing is that I have been getting REALLY positive email in what I consider to be pretty big numbers on this. I haven't gotten a single negative comment. You'd think if enought people were smacking you with low scores at least ONE of them would have fired off a "you suck" email. Even an anon one!

Personally, 290 votes in 3 days has me pretty shocked. Consequently, my other story has gone up to about 131 votes and a 4.45 rating. Since Uncle Beau had been kinda sitting down in the 40s and is now back in tbe 20s, I am thinking people are crossing over from J&D and giving my first story more votes. Hard to believe someone would give Janie&Dell a 1...then decide to read MORE of my stuff and give Uncle Beau a high score. That dog won't hunt.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when a ball's foul...it's foul. Period.

I'm new here, so I'm not about to go demanding that people be removed from the boards (mostly because I'm pretty sure my opinon and a dollar wouldn't get you coffee at any rate) but I think it's very unfortunate that someone who is obviously manipulating the site should have an open forum for the stretching of their ego (you can almost HEAR my stories plummeting into oblivion, can't you? LOL).

Deb, I have no clue where you can pull such numbers from, but bravo to ya. I hope they do something to try and guard against this. The one thing about Literotica that I find very appealing is that there is SOME level of standard here. Not that it's a crushing blow - I mean...free smut is going to get a lot of hits at any rate...lol...but this site has a chance at appealing to a more mainstream audience instead of just the lurking guys with hairy palms giggling in the back of the subway, but if the low quality stories are going to be promoted as "Top," that will be a shame and a loss to those who were attracted to read (and post) stories because this place seemed to be just a little better than the other naughty pleasures out there.

Just to see, I read one of his installments and...well...if I came to this site and saw that THAT was the best there was to offer...I wouldn't have stuck around, ya know?

Okay...I'll shaddap now. Go ahead, Deb...I dare ya, make a longer post ;-)

MP

 

[Whispersecret]

Well, fuck me! (No, not literally, Deborah, please!)

Seriously, thanks for doing all that work. Even though this whole thing pisses the hell out of me, I really got a sense of satisfaction while reading your illuminating post. As April said, thanks for making it understandable for those of us who are math-challenged.

Kind of hard to believe that Dillinger's stories stayed on top while every single other story that challenged them took a dive.

I read part of "Jessica's Big Dick Adventure Ch. 1" and found it average. Same old same old, like Deborah said. There are a hundred other stories here just like that one, and I couldn't find anything about it that made it stand out from the rest of the watch your wife stories.

So, did anyone tell Laurel? Funny how this blows up while she's out of the country. I wonder what, if anything, she can or will do about this.

 

[SimplySouthern]

Not only am I math illiterate...I am also computer illiterate, so stick with me and someone please translate this into technical jargon.

Isn't there some way that Laurel and Manu can track the people logging into Literotica? I seem to recall DCL saying something about checking (insert techincal word here) or something to do with email addresses.


In my opinion, if people want to play various "characters" on the BB that's one thing. It's another entirely to abuse someone else's feelings and their ratings system on something that is very obviously important to them.

I feel like I have to say that after hearing of this as well as hearing of someone stealing another person's story and passing it off as their own on another site, I am not sure that posting a story here looks favorable to newcomers. Those of us that have been here a while KNOW that Laurel and Manu do all they can to combat this type of behavior, but to those only arriving, it looks as though this just isn't the type of place you want to have your work displayed.

Thank you Deb for pointing it out in language that even I can understand.

 

[Guest]

All of this shit started about the time Daley stopped working for Gore. It's only a theory, but I think Dillinger is Daley.