It gives him the power to call upon them.
They aren't like the military though, they can straight up give POTUS the finger.
If they do that, they are no longer the militia and can be treated as insurrectionists.
No, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to facilitate insurrection
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If they do that, they are no longer the militia and can be treated as insurrectionists.
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The word "insurrectionist" means someone who fails to obey the authority of government and acts against that government. Have you noticed how any member of the military, civilian peace officer or government employee swears to uphold the constitution, and does not make swear to protect the government? The reason for that.
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Militia's are made up of people of the various states and CAN NOT be called up by the Federal government (as opposed to the National Guard). Their very purpose is to curtail an over-reaching Federal government.
Recommended reading, Federalist #46.
Recommended reading, Federalist #46.
What was the point of taking over a bird sanctuary, anyway?
If they're not in the NG, they're in the unorganized militia of the United States. Legally, there are no state militia.
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Nope, still the militia.
Refusing to serve a wannabe dictator isn't the same as an insurrection.
You need to look up the word insurrection, it has an actual meaning and "Not doing what thug ass Democrats on a power trip tell you. " isn't it.
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What are the chances that the militia obeys a tyrant giving orders to crack down on innocent Americans?
And they'll still have their guns.
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In reality they belong to neither the state nor the feds.
Militias are inherently by their nature local and community based. As they should be.
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If you're talking about private militia clubs, they have no legal existence at all. They're just idiots running around in the woods with guns on weekends training for a battle they would never survive.
See post #34.
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Oh look, peck doesn't know what he's talking about again.
Don't suppose you're in one of those clubs?
They have the same constitutional significance as Fight Club, no more.
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Seeing as they only exist in your imagination....no.
In what way?? LOL
2A doesn't have anything to do with a book.
One hears now again about groups calling themselves "The Michigan Militia," "The Montana Militia," etc. Never officially sanctioned by the state. They seem to be more political clubs than anything else.
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Militias need not be sanctioned by the state.
And often one of the defining characteristics of a militia is that it is NOT an official state organized and sanctioned military force....that is usually called a military.
I'm sure you imagine all sorts of things about them.
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Scratch-N-Sniff has hit on one truth here. Militia's are at their core political/social organizations.
If you bother to do some historical research you'll find that there were many 'militias' that served with distinction during the Civil War (on both sides of that conflict), Roosevelt's "Rough Riders" were a militia organization. There were also many militia's formed during the Indian Wars as well. Many of these militia's provided their own weapons, including artillery, as well as their own uniforms (some of them outrageously gaudy check out the 11th New York Zouave's).
Of course ole Scratchy is going to point out, "But, but, they served with the regular Army." And this is also true. They volunteered their services as cohesive units under officer's of their own choosing. The point is that they freely chose which side they were going to offer their services to.
The practice of private militia's entering into Federal service as cohesive units ended with the wholesale drafts starting in WWI. That was an executive decision made at the time but that decision in no way eliminated the ability of militias to organize as the please, where they please, or when they please.
If you bother to do some historical research you'll find that there were many 'militias' that served with distinction during the Civil War (on both sides of that conflict), Roosevelt's "Rough Riders" were a militia organization. There were also many militia's formed during the Indian Wars as well. Many of these militia's provided their own weapons, including artillery, as well as their own uniforms (some of them outrageously gaudy check out the 11th New York Zouave's).
Of course ole Scratchy is going to point out, "But, but, they served with the regular Army." And this is also true. They volunteered their services as cohesive units under officer's of their own choosing. The point is that they freely chose which side they were going to offer their services to.
The practice of private militia's entering into Federal service as cohesive units ended with the wholesale drafts starting in WWI. That was an executive decision made at the time but that decision in no way eliminated the ability of militias to organize as the please, where they please, or when they please.
The Constitution has nothing to do with any that aren't.
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The 2nd Amendment is vitally important for our Nation in a foundational aspect, as it bridges the gap, so to speak, between the 1st and 3rd Amendments.
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Sure it does, 2A ensures their right to exist.
The 2A begins, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State . . ."
But, it isn't. Militias in the 18th-Century sense have played no role in any American conflict since the Spanish-American War. They are not necessary.
But, it isn't. Militias in the 18th-Century sense have played no role in any American conflict since the Spanish-American War. They are not necessary.
You won't find a lawyer in the country who reads it that way.
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Sure they are, because the same threats still exist.
1) That's unlikely and you can't support that.
2) It's in black and white....2A absolutely secures their right to exist.
None the regular Armed Forces can't handle better.
Not even Washington thought much of the fighting capacity of militia.
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Go read Federalist #46, they serve a very specific purpose. The fact that you don't like that purpose not withstanding.
There was no 2A when that was written, and Publius was hostile to the idea of a Bill of Rights.
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