No, really...

[Guest]

 

[lavender]

Shame on you for trotting out your sexual assault as a character assault on a BB.

Get some self respect.

Lance

Shame on you for using the idea of rape to belittle a woman. No matter who the woman is - it's fucking sick and wrong on so many levels.

I have plenty of self-respect. You, on the other hand, need to face your own flaws and end your imminently boring and predictable denial.

 

[glamorilla]

lance only gets hard when he's being humiliated...

 

[Ishmael]

lance only gets hard when he's being humiliated...

He wants you Glam. But that's your choice, isn't it?

Ishmael

 

[glamorilla]

i do so much better.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

PBW

-stalk-

 

[Ishmael]

i do so much better.

A man of taste and distinction. Good for you. Why settle for less?

Ishmael

 

[Gusty Wind]

hmmmm.. stiil Stuck !!! LOL

~i^





{{{{glamOrilla}}}}}}

I am making a thread for you ...hehe...

Check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[A Desert Rose]

Lance and I had a disagreement some months back in the bdsm forum. Besides Arful and Ebonyfire, Lance was one of the first people I met at Lit.

He has never attacked me personally on the boards or in PM. He has never used anything I have posted about myself, against me.
(Of course, there is little personal that I post on the boards.) What he does know about me personally, he has never divulged to anyone and never used it on the boards. Nor has he ever threatened to do so. He has never attacked me because I am a woman.

Lance is a sometimes confusing person. He is, in my mind, a complex person. He is, again to my mind, much more dimensional than others think he is. But it is not my place to analyze him and I won't attempt to do so.

There are some people here who will never like me and some I will never like. Lance is no different from any of the rest of us, in that regard.

 

[~Dream~]

Lance, love you long time.

__________________

ROF

 

[Ladybird]

Like Lance? I detest him.

I detest the arrogant way that he puts people down. Normally I would admire the kind of intelligence that Lance has. But not when it's used as a weapon against people.

I've been at the firing end of one of Lance's attacks, and he fights dirty. He'll use anything that's been said in any forum against his vicitm.

He's an arrogant nasty man, who was probably ruled by a strong and dominant mother, which is why he now treats women the way he does.

 

[Lancecastor]

Shame on you for using the idea of rape to belittle a woman. No matter who the woman is - it's fucking sick and wrong on so many levels.

I have plenty of self-respect. You, on the other hand, need to face your own flaws and end your imminently boring and predictable denial.

BTW, Ish asked for permission to use my name this way.

Lavender

Lavender:

Thank you for confirming that Ishmael asked your permission in advance to say that you had been raped as part of his attack campaign on me.

I think we can assume that he also asked the other rape victims in advance for their permission to be named in his attacks against me.

This confirms my assertions that a premeditated plan to smear me with lies is ongoing by the Clique.

That would be called a.....Conspiracy.

Here are some facts from Searches I just performed:

Number of Posts in which the word "rape" has been used by....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lavender: 62 (interesting, given she erased all but two months of posts)

Ishmael: 51

Lance: 40 (over half of them responding to clique smear posts)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So....who is using discussion of sexual assault as a weapon?

The Facts Confirm: Lavender & Ishmael.

 

[Lancecastor]

Like Lance? I detest him.

I detest the arrogant way that he puts people down. Normally I would admire the kind of intelligence that Lance has. But not when it's used as a weapon against people.

I've been at the firing end of one of Lance's attacks, and he fights dirty. He'll use anything that's been said in any forum against his vicitm.

He's an arrogant nasty man, who was probably ruled by a strong and dominant mother, which is why he now treats women the way he does.

Hi Ladybird...please advise which of the following represents your true feelings about me:

1. The post above;

2. Your rather nice Christmas PM to me;

3. Your thank-you note for taking ~Dream~ to task over her bed jumping and messing with women in the BBW thread.

Your assistance in clearing this up would be appreciated so I can know which of your three faces I should address in future.

Thanks;

Lance

 

[Gusty Wind]

gOOd mOrning...sexyy``cheers````apple juice ?

 

[Ladybird]

Hi Ladybird...please advise which of the following represents your true feelings about me:

1. The post above;

2. Your rather nice Christmas PM to me;

3. Your thank-you note for taking ~Dream~ to task over her bed jumping and messing with women in the BBW thread.

Your assistance in clearing this up would be appreciated so I can know which of your three faces I should address in future.
Thanks;
Lance

1. This represents my true feelings Lance.

2. So, you did get my Christmas PM. I wasn't sure, as you didn't acknowledge it. You may recall, that in the spirit of Christmas (I am a Christian) I extended the olive branch to you.. your lack of response spoke volumes, which only added to my feelings in 1.

3. I don't recall this at all. If you say I did, then I believe you. I can't comment as I don't remember it.

To recap.. in my opinion your persona here is arrogant, rude, and insulting to women in particular. I don't like you.

edited to add... I have only one face Lance, that's the one that I show here and in real life. Unlike some others, I don't play games.

 

[Ginny]

Artful outclassed most everyone here.

My apologies to you, Mr. Lancecastor......for automatically assuming your sigline was a joke and i appreciate your acknowledgement that you can understand why i might have assumed it was another type of reference.....it was an impulsive post....i stopped into this thread originally to simply say....as i've said several times before on the board....that i like you, you make me laugh.....not simply because you argue with some of posters i dislike....but that you do so with humor, a sharp mind and just your snazzy flair……

i've often thought how cool it would be to have a feature to chronologically capture posts/comments....you know from thread to thread....between two posters or a group.....to see exactly what came first.....you can't do that here on Lit without manually tracking times and pasting into a word document....a simple search renders simply last time thread was posted to and you can't cross reference posts on other threads....to track times of who said what which then triggered the X comment.....

it's the sequence of remarks that really helps me understand someone....rather or not i agree with them or the manner/words they post....if you can understand their response....the reason for it.....it really helps......versus watching someone react to something....and take their reaction to it as the gospel as to the kind of person they are.....i've had it happen to me....and watched it happen to others.....the labeling....then the mass attack of followers....poking at you enough to get an angry response.....then when you respond in the same fashion they posted to you....alarms sound and they swoop in with the aaahhh haaa's, you are an asshole.....without being objective enough to look at the sequence of responses and see why......

i don't dig mean people.....i really don't....i'm sensitive to others' feelings and naively expect others to be, too....not that i don't laugh and appreciate sarcastic and smartass comments....i have enough evil in me to get off on just the right zinger....what i'm talking about mostly is a person who posts unprovoked stuff....just to be mean, but thinking they’re funny....to feel superior....to guffaw and high five their friends because they made fun of a weaker person....

i saw this thread before yesterday and was hesitant to toss in my supportive two cents about you.....my "You Know What's Really Cool About Lance?" turned into a stage for naysayers to regurgitate their dislike of you or say "I like Lance, but..."....which was not my intent....and i was sorry it turned into that......and that is why i didn't want to add fuel to the fire here.....but finally decided....to post a simple supportive post: "Lance makes me laugh.".....the comment about Artful was tossed in after i saw you sigline for the first time.....i was curious about it….

I really appreciate the understanding of the posters who can see that my “kicked the bucket” remark was never intended to be rude or hurtful to anyone…..had your sigline read “RIP xyz poster” I probably would have inquired the same….sure that it was a lil tiff of yours with someone I wasn’t aware of…..

I was embarrassed about my comment after I realized Artful had passed away…..talk about foot in mouth….ya know?….but the comment by bad_kitty pissed me off on first reading….it wasn’t a matter of defending myself as much as it was….wait a fucking second I’ve seen you make “rude” posts all over this board….don’t tell me I’m rude….i had no fucking clue Artful was either sick or dead….of course it looks awful to read it knowing he’s dead…..but I didn’t make the comment with knowledge either of his illness or death…..and had someone respectfully posted to me….”Ginny, you must not know this, but Artful died”….my response would have been….”Oh my god, I’m so sorry. I had no idea, let me edit the post.”….instead of telling me how rude I was…..rude would have been to have had knowledge of Artful’s health situation, been aware of the possibility that Lance’s sigline was in fact a Rest In Peace tribute to a friend and then rudely posted, “Did Artful kick the bucket?”….now that’s rude…..

In hindsight, obviously, I would not have posted my comment nor reacted to bad_kitty as I did…..i’m secure in knowing that I did not intend to be disrespectful to anyone….and thankfully other members that know me understand that as well…..had tortoise not prepared me for the posts made by PBW to me I probably would have burst into tears at the language and tone with which he spoke to me….his gross display speaks for itself and I don’t feel obligated to respond to him…..

There are less than a handful of posters here at Lit that know about the loss of an immediate family member I suffered a couple of months ago….it has been a very personal and painful time for me ….my expression of sympathy to Artful’s friends was sincere and heartfelt….i have been very attune and sympathetic to other Lit members who have experienced losses this past year….

May your dear friend, Artful, rest in the peace he has finally found….and hopefully as you said….with his sense of humor and kind heart….he would understand that i meant no harm….






To others......please waste no more time on this matter…..celebrate Artful’s life and your memories of him…..i’m so sorry my off the cuff comment led to this ugly mess.....

 

[Gusty Wind]

Juice... sexyyyy birdy````? ,,,hmmmm Ginny too sexyyyy``

aww...pOOr baby,,, so ,,,up set....{{HUGYS}}

;;;;;
~i^

hmmmm...

 

[Ginny]

Ginny is the luckiest woman alive.
You're the best, tortoise.

<smiling softly>.....tortoise is the finest man I've ever known....the love of my life.....

 

[april-wine]

<smiling softly>.....tortoise is the finest man I've ever known....the love of my life.....

Ginny all have to say....is you are one class act....I you

 

[glamorilla]

ginny rocks.

 

[zipman]

Ginny,

I want to apologize for inadvertantly starting the problem about your post. My post was an emotional reaction to what you wrote, which I completely believe was an innocent "foot in mouth" comment.

Artful was the first person to befriend me on the BDSM board and I must say that he was a man of incredibly high ethics. We spoke on and off over the months, and he treated me with knidness and respect, despite the ongoing battles I had with ~Dream~, which I think speaks volumes about him as a person.

I also had exchanged a number of pms with him when he first got sick, and felt very badly about his health, and some of the more public disappointments that he was faced with on these boards.

I mention all this to give you some understanding of why I commented on your post. My intention was certainly not to have this erupt the way it did.

Once again, my sincere apologies.

Zip

 

[Ladybird]

…..had tortoise not prepared me for the posts made by PBW to me I probably would have burst into tears at the language and tone with which he spoke to me….his gross display speaks for itself and I don’t feel obligated to respond to him…..

Handled with dignity.. congratulations Ginny.

 

[tortoise]

To others......please waste no more time on this matter?..celebrate Artful?s life and your memories of him?..i?m so sorry my off the cuff comment led to this ugly mess.....

<typing to a blurry screen>

You are the most beautiful soul I have ever know, and I love you without measure.

Once again, I offer my sincere condolences to those who knew Artful.

 

[Ginny]

zip....in retrospect......i can appreciate and understand your reaction after my first post....as well as bad_kitty's.....i emotionally reacted to being called rude by her initiatly 'cause i scrolled up from last reply and hit her post first.....and it all snowballed from there.....

thank you for understanding.....and again.....i'm sorry about your loss....and apologize for all of this negative stuff to be going on as you all mourn and remember your friend.....

 

[zipman]

zip....in retrospect......i can appreciate and understand your reaction after my first post....as well as bad_kitty's.....i emotionally reacted to being called rude by her initiatly 'cause i scrolled up from last reply and hit her post first.....and it all snowballed from there.....

thank you for understanding.....and again.....i'm sorry about your loss....and apologize for all of this negative stuff to be going on as you all mourn and remember your friend.....

No hard feelings on this side. Death touches everyone differently, and sometimes it strikes a chord inside us that is surprising strong.

I probably would not have stayed and kept posting at Lit if Artful hadn't gone out of his way in pm's to make me feel welcome and answer questions I had. I know that for a lot of us on the BDSM board and even on the Playground, he was just "a stand-up guy."

Glad to put this behind us!