No duh folks: If you feed it, it comes back for more.

[Sparky Kronkite]

Coming down to the wire eh?

Read CB's post on it and quite a few others over the past couple of months and - well here it is…… I should say there it was……….

In my life time - from Ike until now - this election represents a low point in Prez choices. The absolute pits. To me, it represents a low point in American politics and the American system. I'm actually a bit depressed about it.

Where are all the great shinning leaders? Please, don't insult me my indicating you actually believe that any candidate could even remotely be considered a great shinning leader or even close to one. Little pukes! Pottsie for President. Woody Allen for President. Even Emo Phillips for President! Wimps.

But there are those of you out there that "really get involved" in this stuff. You find it fascinating. The power, the position, the security of the Free World and impact on the Global Economy. Many of you.

Well, not me. Not really.

What really fascinates me about the whole goings on, is the fact that so many "buy into it." It's like buying a junker of a car - because it's the only one available - the best one we got. "The best system we got," is what they all fucking say. I simply don't - I'd rather walk on my own two feet - thanks. A shaky, patched, antiquated old systems - is flat out dangerous.

And I don't understand why other's are so blind to the obvious, glaring flaws and why they don't prefer walking on their own.

You see - if you feed it - it comes back for more.

 

[Ambrosious]

I agree Spark. It is a poor choice of candidates to chose from. I'm throwing my vote to Harry Brown. He stands for independence and self government. I won't go into the whole platform and people say I'm throwing away my vote. I like to think I'm making a statement.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

CB - you have been seduced....

CB - I respect everything about you but this will piss you off - my apologies in advance.

You babe (my hunch is that the word babe has got you seething already) have been seduced………

Don't know where or when but you have. You are not thinking big enough here. You are limited by your own education. The blinders are on.

BYW I've never complained about specific laws - never.

And as for change, that I can have a part in implementing - true but give me a break. For the grand sweeping changes I know would be beneficial to American (and therefore the rest of the worlds) people to take place - a massive human movement, an upheaval of complete change would have to take place. You see, I for one - do think big.

I won't be satisfied, ever - with slow, meager, swinging, wishy washy change!!!! If I vote, not only is it a waste of my time - it's a waste of everyone's time. And if I voted I would not be true to myself.

Now - if I somehow publicly found a platform to detail my ideas on this - I feel I'd be harassed - and maybe even arrested. I certainly would become a public outcast. And I have too many loved ones to consider to have that happen.

So, you see, anonymous postings like this - is the only way I can even discuss these matters.

As for you and the rest of the small thinking public out there - have fun and feel you're doing something of meaning. I simply don't believe it's so.

 

[Ambrosious]

A snowball starts at the top of a hill. Easily kicked out of the way. Give it a few minutes of rolling down that hill and what happens? It takes a little more effort to push it out of the way. A few more feet? Harder still. Give it some more feet and it gets even bigger...and bigger, until it takes considerable effort to move it out of your way. Wait a few more minutes and you can't push it any more. Give it a little more time and it now pushes YOU out of the way.

My point? I want to be a part of that little snowball. Therefore, I'm going Libertarian.

The above was explained to me my Neal Boortz.

 

[Cheri]

Sparky I agree with you for the most part, but I also agree with CB. I think politics on the national level are a waste of time tantamount to playing poker with known cheaters. I do however believe whole heartedly in local and state level politics. At least here with is a chance that your wants are known and your best interests upheld. I have my state representative, congressman and senator's email in my address book and often send them friendly and not so friendly email expressing my point of view. I also tell them that if they screw us over I will make it my mission in life to see that they aren't reelected no matter when the election occurs. Who knows if my feeling are worth anything to any politician, but I still make a point in expressing them.

 

[Ambrosious]

Sparky I agree with you for the most part, but I also agree with CB. I think politics on the national level are a waste of time tantamount to playing poker with known cheaters. I do however believe whole heartedly in local and state level politics. At least here with is a chance that your wants are known and your best interests upheld. I have my state representative, congressman and senator's email in my address book and often send them friendly and not so friendly email expressing my point of view. I also tell them that if they screw us over I will make it my mission in life to see that they aren't reelected no matter when the election occurs. Who knows if my feeling are worth anything to any politician, but I still make a point in expressing them.

I have for a long time felt that if you let the American people for local representation, and let them APPOINT national offices, we would start paying attention to the politicians who really have the power. The national election is a glorified run for student body. The most popular will win everytime. Or the best looking. Ask your neighbors who their senators are. Bet they can't answer.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

I only believe in justice and me......

And if I were a little snow ball - the heat generated by what I had to say, would melt me down in seconds.

Cheri - yes I do believe there is much more People pertinence to local elections. There is also much more graft and greed and those bugger's are harder to catch.

My system would not allow for ego's fueled with greed - because people like you, me, CB, everyone here - would actually take the place of "the dreaded politician." You talk about being involved with your government - you couldn't help it with my system. But I've gone too far already.......

It's too much for most to comprehend.

 

[Cheri]

Very true Ambrosious. If you don't care on the local level, why have an informed decision on the national level.

 

[Ambrosious]

Re: I only believe in justice and me......

And if I were a little snow ball - the heat generated by what I had to say, would melt me down in seconds.

Cheri - yes I do believe there is much more People pertinence to local elections. There is also much more graft and greed and those bugger's are harder to catch.

My system would not allow for ego's fueled with greed - because people like you, me, CB, everyone here - would actually take the place of "the dreaded politician." You talk about being involved with your government - you couldn't help it with my system. But I've gone too far already.......

It's too much for most to comprehend.

I don't know, maybe I could follow. Shoot me an e-mail if you want. I'd like to hear about this new government of yours Spark.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Whoops! Caring's been mentioned!!!!

I DECLARE, "I DO CARE!!!"

I deeply care about swift, timely, current legislature for all, not just Americans - this being my entire intent and goal. Above all I care about fairness and justice - the seeds of Freedom.

I do not care about our system as it sits today - this for the simple fact that it does not perform the way I think it's capable of performing in our modern society.

It's become an antiquated piece of shit.

And anyone who can't see that if far too complacent, afraid or brain-washed.

Even the crooks sucking the life out of the withered, diseased patient - that was once our system of government - know that it's a piece of shit.

But it butter's their bread in green and gold. And they ain't biting that hand.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Ambro - I would but....

It's a work in progress - nearly 10 years now - and currently about 170 pages. And even at that - the details, the details the details!!!!!!

The most simply I can put it is - it's a - 365 menber Parliment, made up of drafted citizens, who "rotate" through , each member staying one year. Rotation is one person/citizen exiting, one entering per day.

So, you see - nothing like what exists now - anywhere.

You think if I started spewing this shit about - I wouldn't get in big funking trouble. I've even worked out compensation plans for draftees and their families.

But, but, but..... most folks (I understand) would rather kick an old dieing horse.

Not me - I can't be a part of a failing system that just goes against every fabric of my being. Might as well kill me.

Told ya - I don't think small. Small thinking for small people - my grandpappy alwasy told me.

 

[Latina]

I can kind of understand why people get fed-up with voting.
But I vote anyway, so I at least EXPRESS ny opinions, even if no politician ACTS on them.

A few years ago, Californians passed a proposition that was supposed to reform auto insurance. We were supposed to see lower rates and fairer settlements of claims. An insurance commissioner would be appointed to oversee the insurance companies. Trouble is, our illustrious governor let the insurance companies decide who the commisssioner would be! Surprise, the state insurance commissioner had to resign last year amid all sorts of political scandals! The new commissioner is no better.

Our town now has a proposition on whether to use flouridated water in the city's water supply. This came up because the city's main supplier of water (one of the purest water sources in California) has been mandated by a new state law to flouridate, but the city charter specifically states that city water is NOT to contain flouride. Proponents say there is no credible scientific evidence that flouridated water is harmful, and if the city does NOT accept the flouridated water at the grandfathered-in rate they've been paying for 50 years, it could cost up to 5 times as much to get water elsewhere, and we might not be able to find an adequate supply to avoid water shortages even at that higher water-bill rate. Opponents cite urban-legend type stories about horrors of flouridated water, not sure I believe them, but even if true, what is the alternative? This is one helluva choice to have to make, possible health side-effects or higher water bills and water shortages. Of course, the question is, why did the California state legislature mandate that water companies had to flouridate their water in the first place? We had really pure water here, why the state-mandated change? Why do we get a vote only on whether to find another source of water, how come we didn't get to vote on the stupid state flourdation law itself? But then again, if we had voted it down, would our will have been carried out? We votted for insurance reforms that never came to be, how would this issue have been any different?

That doesn't mean I won't vote (I will), I'm just saying I understand the frustration of those who feel their vote doesn't matter, politicians will do whatever the hell they want, no matter what our votes tell them to do.

A few years ago, Bill Moyer (fomer LBJ press secretary) did a series on PBS called The Secret Government. The political leaders we elect change, but there is a second secret government we never see, the CIA, National Security Council, etc., that decide American foreign policy; the President, whether Democrat or Republican, pretty-much has to rubber-stamp whatever they decide.

Every once in a while, what these spy groups are doing comes to the surface, as in Watergate or Iran-Contra. But even then we only see the tip of the iceberg. I remember in the Iran-Contra hearings, this guy testified about how he would uunload arms supplied to the Contras, off of CIA planes, then load the plans with drugs, and fly back to the U.S. The next day, he was called back to testify more, but nobody could find him, and I think it was a few days later when his decomposing body was found in the woods somewhere.

One of these secret-government people who influenced what happened in American politics for many years was the CIA's E. Howard Hunt. He was at the famous grassy knoll in Dallas when JFK was assassinated (minutes later, police detained and then released a hobo in the rail yard behind the grassy knoll, the hobo had new shoes though and was otherwise NOT the typical hobo appearance, and the photo the police took of him was very clearly Hunt). His name was in the notebooks of all 5 Watergate burglars. His CIA boss later became President: yes, George Bush! I think it's odd that nobody ever questioned Bush on what he knew about JFK or about Watergate, and he was allowed to act all innocent like he had nothing to do with Iran-Contra: it was discussed with Reagan in Bush's presence, by former associates from Bush's CIA days, and he knew NOTHING about it? And now we're supposed to elect his SON president, too?

Eisenhower's fairwell address warned of the growing power of the military-industrial complex, and we've seen that come true. So in a way, it doesn't matter whether Bush or Gore is the token head of our government, the Prez isn't the one running things.

But what matters is how OTHERS will react to who gets elected. Gore has an intelligence and a way of thinking logically, that will get the respect of other world leaders, that Bush will never have. Also, financial institutions (such as stock markets, housing starts, mortgage and interest rates) are likely to respond more favorably to a Gore presidency than to a Bush presidency. That is why I am for Gore, not that either will ever carry-out the will of the American people (not sure there is such a thing, as you get 3 Americans together and you'll get 4 or 5 differing opinions), but that I believe we will have a better interaction with other nations and a healthier world economy under a Gore presidency than under Bush. The president may be only a figurehead, but how others in the US and around the world perceive that figurehead can affect national security and the global economy.

-- Latina

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Hey, hey Latina babe.....

All that and not one mention of Frank!!!!

Very good sweat heart.

 

[CelestialBody]