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[Bramblethorn]

I used Urban Dictionary to find out the WLW must mean "women loving women." This is the first time I've seen that abbreviation.

It's a way of avoiding arguments about "bi" vs. "lesbian".

 

[Bramblethorn]

Not to be oinky, but why would I spend time reading something which is not entirely to my taste?

I sometimes read stuff outside my own tastes because I'm interested in understanding other people's, and I enjoy seeing people enjoy stuff even if it's not for me personally.

 

[onehitwanda]

It's a way of avoiding arguments about "bi" vs. "lesbian".

no true Lesbian.

 

[gunhilltrain]

It's a way of avoiding arguments about "bi" vs. "lesbian".

Okay, I'll take your word on it. I'm not sure why there would be arguments about that. People are what they are. If Kinsey was correct - and it sounds intuitively plausible to me - sexual orientation is like a spectrum (one to ten, or however he defined it). To him, the divisions of heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual where too rigid to accurately describe human emotions.

 

[Rob_Royale]

People are what they are. If Kinsey was correct - and it sounds intuitively plausible to me - sexual orientation is like a spectrum (one to ten, or however he defined it). To him, the divisions of heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual where too rigid to accurately describe human emotions.

I've seen enough of life and people to absolutely believe that. I find it rather fascinating.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Okay, I'll take your word on it. I'm not sure why there would be arguments about that. People are what they are.

And what they are, mostly, is argumentative ;-)

I'll spare you the details, but for some people the distinction between "lesbian" and "bisexual" matters A LOT, and for others it's something they'd rather not focus on. (I'm not sexually attracted to Barry Manilow but I don't feel the need to define myself as a "non-Barry-sexual"; it seems more relevant to me to focus on who I am attracted to.)

"WLW" is a way of highlighting the "attracted to women" part without making a fuss about whether one is or isn't also attracted to men.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Which section was that in and what was it called, please? (Certainly makes me feel better about HOT AND FUZZY).

It was here

 

[ElectricBlue]

The sign of Really Good Writing is when you get pulled into a story outside your normal interests.

For writers, in the reverse, it's attempting to write a kink you don't have. I keep trying, with hugely varied success. High degree of difficulty.

I don't get why folk bother writing something outside their kink list. What's the point? It's going to be obvious you're not really into whatever it is, because you'd be faking it, not really trying. If it doesn't do it for you, why bother?

My solution, obviously, is to be a perverted kinky bugger in the first place, with no shame; but even so, I wouldn't waste my time, "just to see if I could write in that category". And there are some categories I'd simply never bother with, because the subject matter does nothing for me.

Just for the record, though (before anyone says, my, how narrow minded), I've written in, at last count, seventeen or eighteen Lit categories, which is a fair spread. Unlike those folk who've only ever written in one or two...

 

[ElectricBlue]

(I'm not sexually attracted to Barry Manilow but I don't feel the need to define myself as a "non-Barry-sexual"; it seems more relevant to me to focus on who I am attracted to.)

Bramble, are you "non-Barry-sexual" kink shaming? That's gonna upset so many Barrys .

 

[gunhilltrain]

I've seen enough of life and people to absolutely believe that. I find it rather fascinating.

Probably I can find some of his work online if I went digging for it. The way I remember it, he said that a significant number of people, perhaps the majority, are a little bit bisexual, even if it's only in their private thoughts, not their actions. Of course, on Lit we see a lot of writers bringing up stuff they probably never told anybody before. I know I have. For example, I never knew the scope of the interest in incest (the real kind) until I came here. To me, only the in-law kind (some uncle's new wife) is of any interest, but the blood relative kind is a very big thing.

 

[nice90sguy]

I'm not sexually attracted to Barry Manilow

You're such a deviant

 

[nice90sguy]

I've written passable lesbian, group sex, erotic horror, and some toplisted humor/satire stories here. But that was when I was learning my trade and finding out who I was -- twenty years back. But none of those stories stirred my dick at all.

I think I could write gay male, but I'm kind of worried it would turn me gay. It's the one "guilty fantasy" I haven't really explored.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I don't get why folk bother writing something outside their kink list. What's the point? It's going to be obvious you're not really into whatever it is, because you'd be faking it, not really trying. If it doesn't do it for you, why bother?

Well, that's the challenge, innit? Hence I wrote an incest story, to see if I could construct a story that I/T readers found hot, (defined as a red H) while also not compromising any of my own principles much. Mission accomplished, according to over 900 voters, meaning it's my only rating that's statistically significant!

The huge numbers of views, votes and followers was rather intoxicating - if the subject matter didn't repulse me, I'd do another. As it is, I've been simply offending and repulsing the new followers I got with all my subsequent stories (I got 50 new ones, possibly 40 since, still have the same number...)

I've written other characters getting off from things that don't do it for me, because I'm interested in how their minds work. Describe anything with the various physical details, and people who get off on that sort of thing will likely like it. I love it when people 'not into that sort of thing' like my stories.

It's a way of avoiding arguments about "bi" vs. "lesbian".

And 'straight'. In healthcare they have to use the term MSM - men who have sex with men - because of how many of said men will insist they aren't gay or bi at all.

We're finally getting to a point where gay community gatekeeping is accepting those in the middle 5 numbers of the Kinsey scale, with young people defining as bisexual way more than either end, but Fritz Klein had a point with his never-popular Klein Grid, where you have seven factors to enumerate, for each of the past, present and future. Which is that sexuality is both mutable and complex!

He envisioned people would have their grid on the back of business cards, bless him...

"ASexual attractionTo whom are you sexually attracted?
BSexual behaviourWith whom have you had sex?
CSexual fantasiesAbout whom are your sexual fantasies?
DEmotional preferenceWho do you feel more drawn to or close to emotionally?
ESocial preferenceWhich gender do you socialize with?
FLifestyle preferenceIn which community do you like to spend your time? In which do you feel most comfortable?
GSelf-identificationHow do you label or identify yourself? "

 

[alohadave]

I think I could write gay male, but I'm kind of worried it would turn me gay. It's the one "guilty fantasy" I haven't really explored.

Respectfully, but that's ridiculous. Writing gay porn will not make you gay, just like writing B&D will not make you dominant or submissive.

It may get you in touch with feelings that are already there, but it won't change who you are.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Bramble, are you "non-Barry-sexual" kink shaming? That's gonna upset so many Barrys .

At least it wasn't the late Barry White.

 

[yowser]

I don't get why folk bother writing something outside their kink list. What's the point? It's going to be obvious you're not really into whatever it is, because you'd be faking it, not really trying. If it doesn't do it for you, why bother?

Two potential reasons.

I've written kinks out side my range (must be some suitable initialism in there somewhere) just to see if I could pull it off as a writer.

More importantly, I have written such to experiment, and to see if I could learn something. Can I get into the mindset of someone quite different from myself? I think there is learning possible, and something valuable to be gained. Mind broadening. It is definitely a challenge.

I do agree that if you end up 'faking it' then you'll wind up with a junky piece of writing. But that's not been my intent.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Well, that's the challenge, innit? Hence I wrote an incest story, to see if I could construct a story that I/T readers found hot, (defined as a red H) while also not compromising any of my own principles much. Mission accomplished, according to over 900 voters, meaning it's my only rating that's statistically significant!

The huge numbers of views, votes and followers was rather intoxicating - if the subject matter didn't repulse me, I'd do another. As it is, I've been simply offending and repulsing the new followers I got with all my subsequent stories (I got 50 new ones, possibly 40 since, still have the same number...)

I've written other characters getting off from things that don't do it for me, because I'm interested in how their minds work. Describe anything with the various physical details, and people who get off on that sort of thing will likely like it. I love it when people 'not into that sort of thing' like my stories.


And 'straight'. In healthcare they have to use the term MSM - men who have sex with men - because of how many of said men will insist they aren't gay or bi at all.

We're finally getting to a point where gay community gatekeeping is accepting those in the middle 5 numbers of the Kinsey scale, with young people defining as bisexual way more than either end, but Fritz Klein had a point with his never-popular Klein Grid, where you have seven factors to enumerate, for each of the past, present and future. Which is that sexuality is both mutable and complex!

He envisioned people would have their grid on the back of business cards, bless him...

"ASexual attractionTo whom are you sexually attracted?
BSexual behaviourWith whom have you had sex?
CSexual fantasiesAbout whom are your sexual fantasies?
DEmotional preferenceWho do you feel more drawn to or close to emotionally?
ESocial preferenceWhich gender do you socialize with?
FLifestyle preferenceIn which community do you like to spend your time? In which do you feel most comfortable?
GSelf-identificationHow do you label or identify yourself? "

So Kinsey did have a scale - one to ten? When I have some time, I'll have to look into it. I've never heard of Fritz Klein or his grid. His business cards lack a way to say, "Well, every now and again, I feel differently."

A lot of sex in prisons is consensual. It seems to happen with both male and female inmates, in the sense that a prison system will likely assign you to a facility (I guess) based on their own standards, not yours. So do the inmates "become gay" upon entering and then "stop being gay" after leaving? Probably "yes" in a purely technical sense, but that hardly explains what is going on.

One writer (I forgot who; I'll to have to check) described his youth in rural Virginia around 1940. Teenaged boys would perform sex acts on each other, but then forget about it in adulthood. To them, they weren't gay, but rather it was a contingency based on a lack of access to willing girls.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Respectfully, but that's ridiculous. Writing gay porn will not make you gay, just like writing B&D will not make you dominant or submissive.

It may get you in touch with feelings that are already there, but it won't change who you are.

Of course, writing about being gay will not make you become gay. However, on Lit a lot of people are exploring sides of themselves that they probably didn't admit to before, even to themselves.

After several years writing here, I probably have sorted out which kinks are at least somewhat interesting and which ones I don't even want to fantasize about.

 

[mirafrida]

There's stuff that I wouldn't write or fantasize, but can still enjoy reading - and other stuff that's just not for me.

 

[MillieDynamite]

"I'm gunhilltrain and I'm addicted to Authors' Hangout."

The room responds, "Hello, gunhilltrain."

"Hello, gunhilltrain."

 

[gunhilltrain]

"Hello, gunhilltrain."

According to the twelve steps, the first one is to admit that I've have become powerless over Authors' Hangout. However, I don't think my life has yet become unmanageable because of it.

 

[Seadog777]

..."not my kink".

Are you able to enjoy stories here that aren't really your turn-on?

I have to admit I find it difficult to read or write anything besides femdom stories these days -- I've become much narrower in my tastes than I used to be.

Yes.
I do not specifically read any particular category only.
When I feel like reading stories, I go to "New" and just start reading straight down from the top, regardless of the category.

 

[MillieDynamite]

According to the twelve steps, the first one is to admit that I've have become powerless over Authors' Hangout. However, I don't think my life has yet become unmanageable because of it.

Should we set up a support group? AHAs maybe? We could do a thread, Authors' Hangout Addictic Anonomous.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Two potential reasons.

I've written kinks out side my range (must be some suitable initialism in there somewhere) just to see if I could pull it off as a writer.

More importantly, I have written such to experiment, and to see if I could learn something. Can I get into the mindset of someone quite different from myself? I think there is learning possible, and something valuable to be gained. Mind broadening. It is definitely a challenge.

I do agree that if you end up 'faking it' then you'll wind up with a junky piece of writing. But that's not been my intent.

As I suggested, if you are on Lit long enough, you'll figure out what's in your range of at least fantasies. Those can be surprising, so its worth pushing the boundaries sometimes. You'll also find out what is just not interesting to you at all and likely never will be.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I think I could write gay male, but I'm kind of worried it would turn me gay. It's the one "guilty fantasy" I haven't really explored.

I'm with @alohadave in his reply to this comment - that's a ridiculous thing to say or think.

That's like saying, " My mother made me a gay." If I buy her the wool, will she knit me one?

I pride myself on the comments received about a couple of fellatio scenes I've written. A woman said, "Well, you certainly wrote that with enthusiasm," while a gay writer said, "You write better head than I do."

It can be fun (and subversive, here on Lit, the land of real men) to drop a GM sequence into a chapter, to see the reaction. In my experience, both the View counts and Score take a little jump upwards from their surrounds, which means some folk are reading it twice. Just checking their reaction, I guess .