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[oggbashan]

Be careful if you want a General Election NOW.

Labour is still fatally split between corbynite supporters and pragmatists. Sir Keith Starmer has been trying to bring his party together and closer to the centre, but the corbynites and trade unions are pulling to the far left.

It all depends on what he can get agreement for in the party manifesto. If it is anything like the 2020 manifesto - he would lose and we might have a hung parliament with even more instability. At present, the corbynites and the trade unions - Labour's paymasters - would insist on some of the unfunded pledges, such as nationisation, from 2020. That would spook the markets if Labour was anywhere near a majority, and if they won? The pound would tank far more than it has now.

If a General Election were to be called now, yes, the Conservatives would lose seats, but enough to break their majority. Possibly not.

Be careful. Only if Labour can present themselves as sensible and financially prudent (which they have never been since 1945) have they got a slim chance of being a government.

If the current government lasts the next two years, Sir Keith Stramer would have a better chance of changing the Labour Party and a better chance of winning. But now? There will be considerable pain within Labour as they try to change. He and Labour aren't ready yet.

 

[deft]

I guess it should be posted in BDSM

Is our safe word 'remainers'?

BoJo might even be too extreme for that thread...

 

[oggbashan]

BoJo might even be too extreme for that thread...

If BoJo stands he is likely to push out the minor candidates and leave Rishi Sunak as the only possible choice. BoJo has considerable support but too many Tory MPs hate him. He would not be a compromise and consolidating candidate.

 

[Anastasia1999]

Not sure if before being fucked by the Honey Monster or after would be better.
The realization that Boris was bumming you would probably may you want to vomit - waste of a good breakfast
But then after would you still be able to face more sausage?

I vote we make BoJo wait on us hand and foot. He can cook and serve breakfast, make tea, do the washing up and send his chauffeur around to collect us for dinner at the Ritz

 

[thefishfryer]

If BoJo stands he is likely to push out the minor candidates and leave Rishi Sunak as the only possible choice. BoJo has considerable support but too many Tory MPs hate him. He would not be a compromise and consolidating candidate.

If Boris and Rishi stand they will both get the required number of votes to go to a Tory members vote which Boris would win. It seems that the members want anyone who is not named Rishi. The Privileges Committee will then find Boris guilty of intentionally misleading Parliament, triggering a debate in Parliament. Labour would call for his suspension and he would have to win the vote in Parliament against his suspension which would otherwise give rise to a recall procedure. I'm not sure he could get the numbers needed to win that vote. It's a mess.

 

[oggbashan]

I think Tory MPs will go to almost any length to avoid the members voting. The MPs wanted Rishi. The members heard tax cuts from Liz and voted with their pockets despite Rishi saying, rightly, that Liz's promises were unfunded.

 

[KinoKe]

As my late skipper, Commander M, would have said: 'Gentlemen, with have a bugger's muddle.' (The Boss was old school. But female officers and other ranks were included in 'gentlemen'.)

 

[stickygirl]

If Boris and Rishi stand they will both get the required number of votes to go to a Tory members vote which Boris would win. It seems that the members want anyone who is not named Rishi. The Privileges Committee will then find Boris guilty of intentionally misleading Parliament, triggering a debate in Parliament. Labour would call for his suspension and he would have to win the vote in Parliament against his suspension which would otherwise give rise to a recall procedure. I'm not sure he could get the numbers needed to win that vote. It's a mess.

Lets say it like it is. The Con members won't vote for Rishi because he's not white and they voted for a halfwit white woman instead. If Farage was standing they'd vote for him. They won't vote for Mordaunt because 'We tried a woman last time and look what happened'.

That whole membership system stinks - it simply isn't democratic, however they dress it up

 

[oggbashan]

The Labour membership scheme stinks as well. You could join for a small sum just to vote and let your membership lapse. If yopu are a trade union member, unless you opted out, you had a vote in Labour's internal elections.

 

[Btq97]

Unless we want a presidential style where we vote for a dear leader. Then the leader of the biggest party will be PM.
All the talk of boris having a mandate is bollocks it's the party that has the mandate.
How a party chooses it's leader is mater for the party and holds it up to public scrutiny and mockery.
As much as we think we have a democratic system first past the post will give the seat to someone who gets the most vores not the majority of the vote. If it is split 3 ways then the majority of voters could have cast their vote for one of the other two. Single transferable vote where if no one gets 50% Plus 1 then the last place is eleminated and the 2nd choice of those voters is applied until some one has a majority takes a bit longer but means that your vote might actually count. Oh and whilst we are at it move the polling day to sat and sun and make it compulsory. Perhaps throw in mid terms where 50% of the seats chosen by lottery go to a by election two years into the parliament that should held keep the fuckers honest. With the proviso that the cabinet and the pm are always in those seats. We the people should have our voices heard more often less they become deaf to us.

 

[Titsandclits]

Unless we want a presidential style where we vote for a dear leader. Then the leader of the biggest party will be PM.
All the talk of boris having a mandate is bollocks it's the party that has the mandate.
How a party chooses it's leader is mater for the party and holds it up to public scrutiny and mockery.
As much as we think we have a democratic system first past the post will give the seat to someone who gets the most vores not the majority of the vote. If it is split 3 ways then the majority of voters could have cast their vote for one of the other two. Single transferable vote where if no one gets 50% Plus 1 then the last place is eleminated and the 2nd choice of those voters is applied until some one has a majority takes a bit longer but means that your vote might actually count. Oh and whilst we are at it move the polling day to sat and sun and make it compulsory. Perhaps throw in mid terms where 50% of the seats chosen by lottery go to a by election two years into the parliament that should held keep the fuckers honest. With the proviso that the cabinet and the pm are always in those seats. We the people should have our voices heard more often less they become deaf to us.

Amen to that. @Btq97 for PM

 

[Titsandclits]

Personally I don’t care how we sort this mess out but Boris can not be re elected as PM. He has been ousted once for being a liar, bullshitter, and many other things I can’t think of. He can not be PM again. I really don’t care if Labour aren’t ready, more fool them but I should have a say in sorting out this mess.

I have always said they can’t be trusted to sit the right way on a toilet seat and I believe that sentance is wholly justified. We are paying these fuckers to run the country and it’s a shambles. As for watching parliament on TV, I’m embarrassed at the behaviour of them all.

Yes I’m pissed off and yes I know this is the wrong thread for being pissed off.

 

[stickygirl]

Unless we want a presidential style where we vote for a dear leader. Then the leader of the biggest party will be PM.
All the talk of boris having a mandate is bollocks it's the party that has the mandate.
How a party chooses it's leader is mater for the party and holds it up to public scrutiny and mockery.
As much as we think we have a democratic system first past the post will give the seat to someone who gets the most vores not the majority of the vote. If it is split 3 ways then the majority of voters could have cast their vote for one of the other two. Single transferable vote where if no one gets 50% Plus 1 then the last place is eleminated and the 2nd choice of those voters is applied until some one has a majority takes a bit longer but means that your vote might actually count. Oh and whilst we are at it move the polling day to sat and sun and make it compulsory. Perhaps throw in mid terms where 50% of the seats chosen by lottery go to a by election two years into the parliament that should held keep the fuckers honest. With the proviso that the cabinet and the pm are always in those seats. We the people should have our voices heard more often less they become deaf to us.

The Con artists wouldn't have this ridiculous majority if A. the labour hadn't been fighting trotskies and B. the Murdoch press wasn't licking the Con's arses and never questioning the lies the politicians ( Boris ) were spouting. The right wing press in the UK has far too much unchecked, unelected power

 

[oggbashan]

The latest state of play.

Penny Mordant has declared she is running but doesn't have 100 supporters yet. Rishi Sunak has more than 100 supporters but neither he nor Boris have declared that they are running.

I suspect Boris won't stand but whoever he supports will have a clear advantage.

 

[oggbashan]

The Con artists wouldn't have this ridiculous majority if A. the labour hadn't been fighting trotskies and B. the Murdoch press wasn't licking the Con's arses and never questioning the lies the politicians ( Boris ) were spouting. The right wing press in the UK has far too much unchecked, unelected power

Labour wasn't fighting Trotskies. In their 2020 manifesto, they WERE Trotskies. That manifesto cost them too many votes.

 

[thefishfryer]

The latest state of play.

Penny Mordant has declared she is running but doesn't have 100 supporters yet. Rishi Sunak has more than 100 supporters but neither he nor Boris have declared that they are running.

I suspect Boris won't stand but whoever he supports will have a clear advantage.

You may be right. I have heard that he has been speaking to Rishi. Maybe he's after a cabinet position for stepping down.

 

[ishtat]

You may be right. I have heard that he has been speaking to Rishi. Maybe he's after a cabinet position for stepping down.

If that is the deal Rishi should take it and then renege on it as soon as he is elected. (Boris rulebook 101)

UK needs a PM who promises to do sod all for a couple of years. Just tell the Ministers to run their departments, don't make waves and they will be back with a solid majority. Won't happen of course!

 

[Btq97]

In general the population want tomorrow to be very much like today. Might grumble about small price rises. The sun to come up. Drinkable water out of the tap . Power out of the socket on demand. The art of ruling is no to do anything at all but seem to be fixing everyone's problems. The wise ruler puts smart people in place and gets out of their way. Sadly we have people that think they know better and are sick of experts.

 

[English_guy_bkk]

Do we still have a Lord High Executioner? I think Chas ought to grab power and start lopping dead wood.

I totally agree. . Chas should bring in Dave to do the business.
Apologies.

 

[English_guy_bkk]

I totally agree. . Chas should bring in Dave to do the business.
Apologies.

Actually my comment was intended to catch the eye of @stickygirl whom I've liked for 3 days.
I've a bus to catch so may be around later.

 

[stickygirl]

Actually my comment was intended to catch the eye of @stickygirl whom I've liked for 3 days.
I've a bus to catch so may be around later.

Such a bloody tease pot

 

[Btq97]

So what would make you vote conservative again?

 

[Btq97]

Such a bloody tease pot

do you take milk and sugar with your tease?

 

[English_guy_bkk]

do you take milk and sugar with your tease?

Im watching any reply with my notebook and pencil ready...

 

[deft]

So what would make you vote conservative again?

"Again"? What, now?