Netanyahu Speech

Why Netanyahu’s speech didn’t do his American allies any favors

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Netanyahu argued that Iran and ISIS are heads of the same beast, his rhetoric began to sound awfully familiar, much like when George W. Bush argued that al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein must be working together (and let’s not forget that Netanyahu was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War, which dramatically increased Iran’s power and influence in the Middle East).

This is the Republican foreign policy perspective, as much now as it ever was: there is only black and white, no complexity, no compromise, and all enemies are the same. Iran is literally fighting ISIS in Iraq right now, but Netanyahu wants everyone to believe that they’re going to join together to take over the world. “When it comes to Iran and ISIS, the enemy of your enemy is your enemy,” he said. Matt Duss, the head of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, called it the Islamist Voltron Theory.

The real problem came, however, when Netanyahu began to address the current negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. Netanyahu criticized elements of a deal currently being negotiated (nothing has actually been finalized) and argued that America and the other nations involved in the negotiations should just walk away. “No deal is better than a bad deal,” he said. “Well this is a bad deal. It’s a very bad deal. We’re better off without it.”

Netanyahu argues that if the U.S. walked away from negotiations, Iran would eventually capitulate on everything; the “better deal” he imagined is one in which Iran does everything short of dismantling its government. He had nothing to say about why this might happen if we aren't negotiating, other than that we should “keep up the pressure.” That’s his alternative: Do nothing, and instead of just going ahead and developing nuclear weapons, Iran will see the light and completely reverse everything it’s been doing.

To call that position “absurd” is too kind. You don’t have to be some kind of foreign policy whiz to grasp that there’s something weird about arguing that 1) Iran is a nation run by genocidal maniacs; 2) they want nuclear weapons so they can annihilate Israel; and 3) the best way to stop this is to abandon negotiations to limit their nuclear program and just wait to see what they do. But that’s the position Netanyahu and his supporters in the Republican Party are now committed to.

If there is ultimately an agreement, the fact that Netanyahu has cast such a sharp light on the ridiculousness of the opposition to the negotiations will make the Obama administration’s job in selling it easier. Republicans will of course say that it’s too soft on Iran, no matter what it actually contains. And everyone will ask the next question: what’s your alternative? Short of an invasion, they have no real answer, and they won’t be able to convince anyone otherwise.
 
Trumpeting this BS doesn't make it true. Why don't just tell us the difference between the Islamic State and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

If you don't know the difference between a country and a bunch of terrorists I can't explain it to you. Go read a book.
 
Trumpeting this BS doesn't make it true. Why don't just tell us the difference between the Islamic State and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The latter is fighting the former, so I guess they perceive some differences.
 
The latter is fighting the former, so I guess they perceive some differences.
No no, there can't be a difference, just look at the names:
"Islamic State and the Islamic Republic of Iran"

What more proof do you need?
 
Don't kid yourself, the Shia are a distinct minority in the worldwide population of Muslims, but they are the majority in much of the Middle East. As religious fanatics they would love to be running a radical Islamic state that consolidates their religious tribalism no matter what the name.

Well, bear in mind, most Shi'a Muslims are not religious fanatics, no more so than most Sunni. The founders of the Islamic Republic were -- but they and their successors have been actually governing since 1979, they have learned the limits of fanaticism and the importance of more practical, common-sense considerations. Adulterers being buried waist-deep and stoned -- I don't think that kind of thing happens any more in Iran.
 
The Iranian leadership are, Isis/Isil are, and they are in the driver's seat as we speak.

Can you translate that into what you would call idiot? Because Iran and ISIL aren't aligned (and are infact fighting) one is a legit country that people deal with and assume will take (millage may vary) and one is basically a rogue group that is winning.

America, Russia and China are in the Driver's seat as speak. And if you mean we are all aligned we honestly are. We might play the push you on the shoulder game but nobody wants none. If anybody is guilty America is kinda the dicks.
 
It's just like Michigan University and Michigan State University.

They're the same thing because they're universities in Michigan!

DUHHHH

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loxaasOe4X1qm806vo1_500.gif

The same way EVERY muslim out of the 1.5 BILLION are responsible for the actions of a very small minority.... but if you bring up that there tons of honkeys in prison, somehow that's different.


That, in a nutshell... showcases their stupidity.
 
The Iranian leadership are, Isis/Isil are, and they are in the driver's seat as we speak.

Well, as it happens, we need the Iranians. Think of it as allying with Stalin against Hitler.

In the four days since Iranian troops joined 30,000 Iraqi forces to try to wrest Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit back from Islamic State control, American officials have said the United States is not coordinating with Iran, one of its fiercest global foes, in the fight against a common enemy.

That may be technically true. But American war planners have been closely monitoring Iran’s parallel war against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, through a range of channels, including conversations on radio frequencies that each side knows the other is monitoring. And the two militaries frequently seek to avoid conflict in their activities by using Iraqi command centers as an intermediary.

As a result, many national security experts say, Iran’s involvement is helping the Iraqis hold the line against Islamic State advances until American military advisers are finished training Iraq’s underperforming armed forces.

“The only way in which the Obama administration can credibly stick with its strategy is by implicitly assuming that the Iranians will carry most of the weight and win the battles on the ground,” said Vali R. Nasr, a former special adviser to Mr. Obama who is now dean of the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University. “You can’t have your cake and eat it too — the U.S. strategy in Iraq has been successful so far largely because of Iran.”

It was Iran that organized Iraq’s Shiite militias last August to break a weeklong Islamic State siege of Amerli, a cluster of farming villages whose Shiite residents faced possible slaughter. American bombs provided support from warplanes.

Administration officials were careful to note at the time that the United States was working in Amerli with its allies — namely Iraqi Army units and Kurdish security forces. A senior administration official said that “any coordinating with the Shiite militias was not done by us; it would have been done by the I.S.F.,” a reference to the Iraqi security forces.
 
Obama needs Iran, America does not need Iran. America should not negotiate with state sponsors of terrorism, especially a state that has been responsible for and involved in the deaths of thousands of Americans. They are the enemy.

Yeah, we just invite their leader to lecture the US on foreign policy on the floor of Congress

http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/02/israel-and-proxy-terrorism/252971/

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/israel_mek_and_state_sponsor_of_terror_groups/

You won't read them, but there are lots more.

Traitor.
 
Obama needs Iran, America does not need Iran.

They're fighting ISIS. We need them.

America should not negotiate with state sponsors of terrorism, especially a state that has been responsible for and involved in the deaths of thousands of Americans.

What on Earth are you talking about? Iran had nothing to do with 9/11. (Neither did Hussein.)
 
They're fighting ISIS. We need them.

We really don't...if the LW would just quit being such fuckin' pussies we could handle this shit in like a few days. I mean seriously the modern dem/lib on average is just horrible....HORRIBLE at the whole war thing. You guys fucking suck and when/if you ever give the go-ahead for war should really just step the fuck back after that.

That being said the greed of republicans is far to great...they shouldn't even be allowed a say so in the matter purely because conflict of interest. Generals/Admirals should run wars...politicians should sign off on them, cut a check and then get the fuck out of the way.

What on Earth are you talking about? Iran had nothing to do with 9/11. (Neither did Hussein.)

Someone has to be the hysterically patriotic RW'er....
 
We really don't...if the LW would just quit being such fuckin' pussies we could handle this shit in like a few days.

What, you mean, put U.S. ground troops in the same theater as the Iranians?

Gee, what could go wrong with that?
 
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