Netanyahu Speech

[Beco]

Ah, I see. You don't know that Iran and Iraq are two different countries.

This should help.
http://fartashphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/iran_iraq_map.jpg

One event didnt create ISIS or Boko Haram, or the Taliban who are massacring their way across other parts of the Muslim world. There are other factors involved such as the corrupt Maliki goverment, or Arab Spring, who knows what Saddam would have done. Invading didnt help, true, it created a vacuum, but you cant pin one event on this...

 

[about_average]

One event didnt create ISIS or Boko Haram, or the Taliban who are massacring their way across other parts of the Muslim world. There are other factors involved such as the corrupt Maliki goverment, or Arab Spring, who knows what Saddam would have done. Invading didnt help, true, it created a vacuum, but you cant pin one event on this...

Let me try again.

Iran and Iraq are NOT the same country.

 

[Beco]

Let me try again.

Iran and Iraq are NOT the same country.

Man, you are about average.....great screen name

 

[Busybody]

Man, you are about average.....great screen name

BELOW average

 

[Beco]

For differing reasons, the powers of the world have elected to legitimize Iran's dominant position, hoping to delay but not deter its eventual acquisition of nuclear weapons. Except for Israel and the Sunni Arab states, the world has no desire to confront Iran. Short of an American military strike, which is unthinkable for this administration, there may be little that Washington can do to influence the course of events. Its influence has fallen catastrophically in consequence of a chain of policy blunders.

by David P. Goldman
Asia Times Online
March 4, 2015

 

[Beco]

BELOW average

he is disappointing....

 

[Busybody]

he is disappointing....

isn't he?

he started with such PROMISE

 

[Busybody]

For differing reasons, the powers of the world have elected to legitimize Iran's dominant position, hoping to delay but not deter its eventual acquisition of nuclear weapons. Except for Israel and the Sunni Arab states, the world has no desire to confront Iran. Short of an American military strike, which is unthinkable for this administration, there may be little that Washington can do to influence the course of events. Its influence has fallen catastrophically in consequence of a chain of policy blunders.

by David P. Goldman
Asia Times Online
March 4, 2015

in truth

Cheney pushed Bush to BOMB em and Bush didnt

 

[Beco]

in truth

Cheney pushed Bush to BOMB em and Bush didnt

and Colon Powell sold it to the world......yet he skates, and is probably on the lecture circuit making money

 

[Busybody]

Powell is PETER PRINCIPAL par exxellance

and a RACIST

 

[Busybody]

Boy

The speech did wonders

Khameni has cancer, in critical condition




Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khameni reportedly has cancer and has less than two years to live. He is reported to be in critical condition (which makes you wonder whether two years is a stretch).

Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is rumored to have been hospitalized in critical condition according to Arabic media reports, just days after a report by Le Figaro stated that doctors had given Khamenei only two years to live.


The report can not be immediately verified but Le Figaro, citing Western intelligence officials, reported Wednesday that the 76-year-old leader, is suffering from stage four prostate cancer which has spread to other parts of his body.

The 75-year-old cleric, who has ruled since the death in 1989 of the Islamic republic's founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini underwent prostate surgery in September which official Iranian news said had been successful.

...

Khamenei's powers include direct control of the regime's media apparatus -- through state television and radio -- and thus he would have personally taken the decision to publicize his surgery.
Hmmm.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The US gives Israel billions in assistance every year, much of it military.

The only issue I have with giving assistance to Israel is they don't appear to need it. They have a stable country with a pretty good economy given their size. Most of the countries we give aid too wouldn't keep their shit together.

We didnt create ISIS by invading Iraq....thats a leap

Well not by invading Iraq alone our actions in Afghanistan helped as did Syria.

One event didnt create ISIS or Boko Haram, or the Taliban who are massacring their way across other parts of the Muslim world. There are other factors involved such as the corrupt Maliki goverment, or Arab Spring, who knows what Saddam would have done. Invading didnt help, true, it created a vacuum, but you cant pin one event on this...

One event has very rarely been the cause of anything in the history of forever. I'm sure if we scoured the history books long enough we could find a situation somewhere at sometime that was exclusively caused by a single event but. . .the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head is World War 1 is generally traced back to a single assassination. However a second look tells you that for numerous reasons Europe was just a fucking powder keg and who knows if they could have avoided war had that event not happened but it was certainly more of an excuse than an actual reason.

That said the powers that were in the Middle East had kept a lid on this for quite a while and without the vacuum it seems unlikely the rest would have happened. And of course there are other causes, both the colonization of, subsequent carving up of the region and then nearly overnight abbandonment caused a lot of issues as well that linger both economically and emotionally.

At some point you have to pick something and lay blame.

 

[about_average]

Man, you are about average.....great screen name

And yet I know Iran and Iraq are two different countries, which you, clearly, don't know.

 

[about_average]

The only issue I have with giving assistance to Israel is they don't appear to need it. They have a stable country with a pretty good economy given their size. Most of the countries we give aid too wouldn't keep their shit together.

Right or wrong, I was just making the point that Israel does, in fact, get a lot of military aid from the US. So, in a very concrete way, we do help them fight their wars.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Right or wrong, I was just making the point that Israel does, in fact, get a lot of military aid from the US. So, in a very concrete way, we do help them fight their wars.

No argument there, but Vette had very carefully phrased it so that it only counts if it's American blood and I think a large enough group of Americans agree that there is a difference between throwing a pile of money at a problem, droning a problem, sending American pilots to bomb a problem and actual boots on the ground in that order of escalation.

 

[Beco]

And yet I know Iran and Iraq are two different countries, which you, clearly, don't know.

Actually, I misread your post. Sorry....

But how does "putting down" Iran get us where we are today. Everyone is letting them do as they please, even China

 

[Busybody]

Right or wrong, I was just making the point that Israel does, in fact, get a lot of military aid from the US. So, in a very concrete way, we do help them fight their wars.

And Bibi thanked the Congress

He said

This DOME

Built our IRON DOME

 

[KingOrfeo]

But how does "putting down" Iran get us where we are today.

Where it gets us is into a regional war. From 2012:

WASHINGTON — A classified war simulation held this month to assess the repercussions of an Israeli attack on Iran forecasts that the strike would lead to a wider regional war, which could draw in the United States and leave hundreds of Americans dead, according to American officials.

Let's not go there.

 

[Beco]

Where it gets us is into a regional war. From 2012:



Let's not go there.

Doesnt take a war game to know this.....although, if cornered, I believe Israel would drop the bomb on em..

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Wonder if Obama promised American medical help.

Would the world end if he did?

The situation has radically changed in the least three years, a new study is no doubt being conducted as we speak.

And you expect this new study to be rosier or you wouldn't bring it up. So what has changed in your opinion that makes you predict that.

 

[about_average]

Actually, I misread your post. Sorry....

But how does "putting down" Iran get us where we are today. Everyone is letting them do as they please, even China

Do some reading on the history of US involvement in Iran.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The situation has radically changed in the least three years, a new study is no doubt being conducted as we speak.

I can't see how the situation has changed in that time to make regional war less likely. We've already got Iranian forces in Iraq fighting ISIS.

 

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