seXieleXie
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the thing about this arguement is that no one is right. no one can see the future. no one knows for sure what lavender's political views will be in 20 years, not even her.
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Weird Harold said:
Well, she asked for it...
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Well, us old folks need our rest, so I'm off to bed.
I hope everyone's feelings are intact. Most of the people in this thread really are among the people I enjoy most on this board. I hope my respect and enjoyment have not been overshadowed by my condescending attitude.
I hope everyone's feelings are intact. Most of the people in this thread really are among the people I enjoy most on this board. I hope my respect and enjoyment have not been overshadowed by my condescending attitude.
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Diablogrl said:
Nope. I'm Canadian. No worries.
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I don't know how many people have thought I'm naive, but I have not been called naive yet. I probably should have been; re-reading a few of my older posts, I've noticed a change in my approach and perspective that makes me smile.lavender said:
Lance, the crack about the Costa Rican law school was simply petty. Not a becoming trait.
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Diablogrl said:
where did you go to school diablogrl?
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seXieleXie said:
Exactly! That's what we've been trying to tell her! She doesn't know. She can't say that she won't change. From experience, we geezers can tell her that she will.
And I'm not talking about her political views, although that may be what does change. I'm talking about the way she sees the world in general. Or maybe her religious views. Anything that is near and dear to her heart. Some of it will change.
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Texan said:Well, us old folks need our rest, so I'm off to bed.
I hope everyone's feelings are intact. Most of the people in this thread really are among the people I enjoy most on this board. I hope my respect and enjoyment have not been overshadowed by my condescending attitude.
I was just thinking the same thing, Texan.
This has been a fun thread. And it has been awhile since I've been able to say that on the board. Good night!
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seXieleXie said:
I'm sure that's true, and I don't believe there's a correlation between being naive and one's politics. For instance, I could say that a continuing belief that lowering taxes on the rich will eliminate budget deficits might be just a touch naive, given that it isn't happening...again. (I know, I know, there are counter-examples of naivete on the liberal side.)
But I assume it's not uncommon for people to look back on things they once believed when young and think, "Man, was I naive!" It could be political, or it could be finding out that "I'll call you" might not reflect a sincere promise on his part to call you
I notice that some of the conservatives posting in this thread have become more conservative since they were young. It could be a case of them assuming that you (Lavender) will "outgrow" your opinions in time, as they did. I agree, that can be condescending. But I think most of the posters here have tried to avoid that.
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Indeed. I've also enjoyed this thread. Lav, you're always good for a laugh.
I will close with this: I was junior to you in law school, entering at age 20. (Hard to believe, but I was granted early entry because I was "smart") The 26 year olds seemed very old to me then. You're obviously a bright person and will surely do well. And I repeat....concerning yourself with tilting at what other people think of you or what you think they think of you is a fool's game at any age. Just be the best Lav you can be.
G'nite;
Lance
PS: That was very nice of you Lioness, thank-you.
I will close with this: I was junior to you in law school, entering at age 20. (Hard to believe, but I was granted early entry because I was "smart") The 26 year olds seemed very old to me then. You're obviously a bright person and will surely do well. And I repeat....concerning yourself with tilting at what other people think of you or what you think they think of you is a fool's game at any age. Just be the best Lav you can be.
G'nite;
Lance
PS: That was very nice of you Lioness, thank-you.
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lavender said:
Then don't Lavy. Argue your points with force and conviction. Temper them with experience. Listen to the opposition. Any idiot can preach to the choir.
Keep your mind open, you just don't know what you'll discover. And never hold on to a thought out of pride or precedent. You'll get slapped in the ass with it everytime.
You've been trained in logic. Use it. Because what you are going to find is that very few people really give a shit about your "feelings".
(When I listen to a person, nodding my head. It only means that I'm listening to you, not that I agree.)
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I'm not naive, Cheyenne is. She refuses to believe that buying diamonds supports international arms dealers that induce genocide in Central Africa. Ishmael is a stale cracker because he thinks conservation is unAmerican. I gotta take my GRAMs to the hospital, so I leave you for today. I expect a lotta, "great points!!!" when I get back.
When I make sense, the THREAD must END-I guess it's over
I trust the COMPLETE messages of Joseph Campbell, Leo Tolstoy, Victor Hugo, Jorge Luis Borges, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Ben Franklin, Thomas Mann, Goethe, Ruskin, Voltaire, Tolkien, and yes whatever "Founding Father" you want to include before I trust the COMPLETE messsages of Ishmael or Uncle Bill. I am a highly rated athlete. My journey was embarked on starting at age 6. I was instilled with talent but I worked my ass off for a long spell to make it in the same area code as the top. I have learned volumes but I'm FULLY aware that the knowledge is useless without the preserving the DIAMOND that was inside of me even at age 6. I think some people have lost their diamond and they think that is the universal rule, that makes some have to fight extra hard to create a balance, making them seem overly idealistic.
Read this and tell me if at about age 80 this man was naive:
From Joseph Campbell's lecture "The Sacred Source: The Perennial Philosophy of the East" from in the book Joseph Campbell "Transformations of Myth Through Time" pp101-102. publisher HarperPerennial 1990
"When people talk about mythology and rituals, they usually talk about it from the standpoint of modern mentality. They speak about finding the causes of the world, origin myths, and so on: explanatory myths, what are called etiological myths. That's not what myths are about. Myths do not have to do with analyzing and scientifically discovering causes. Myth has to do with relating the human being to his environment. And before the discovery of these great planetary movements, this was largely the environment of the animal and plant worlds.
So the very early mythologies have to do with relating to the animal world. The problem is that the animal is respected, but the animal is nevertheless killed and eaten. The problem of recognizing what might be called the covenant between the animal world and the human world and recognizing the miracle of life which lives by killing and eating life is a major problem that has to be solved--relating the mind to this act of continually killing and consuming animals and wearing their skins or living in tents made of them. That's one aspect.
The other is the plant world. Again, you are killing and eating life. Both the animal and the plant are like the river Ganges, pouring into the world for your sustenance, and so they are revered. They become the revered powers and symbols to which man must relate himself.
But then comes this discovery of the great cycles of the heavens, and what you find is a great concern to relate the whole organization of the society to this cycling--a tremendous accent on seasonal festivals. These festivals are not meant to control nature. They are meant to put you in accord with nature, and when you are in accord with nature, nature will yield its bounty. This is something that is coming up in our own consciousness now, in the ecology movement's recognizing that by violating the environment in which we are living we are really cutting off the energy and the source of our own living. It's through this sense of accord, living properly in relation to what has to be done in this world, that one fosters the vitality of the environment."
I trust the COMPLETE messages of Joseph Campbell, Leo Tolstoy, Victor Hugo, Jorge Luis Borges, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Ben Franklin, Thomas Mann, Goethe, Ruskin, Voltaire, Tolkien, and yes whatever "Founding Father" you want to include before I trust the COMPLETE messsages of Ishmael or Uncle Bill. I am a highly rated athlete. My journey was embarked on starting at age 6. I was instilled with talent but I worked my ass off for a long spell to make it in the same area code as the top. I have learned volumes but I'm FULLY aware that the knowledge is useless without the preserving the DIAMOND that was inside of me even at age 6. I think some people have lost their diamond and they think that is the universal rule, that makes some have to fight extra hard to create a balance, making them seem overly idealistic.
Read this and tell me if at about age 80 this man was naive:
From Joseph Campbell's lecture "The Sacred Source: The Perennial Philosophy of the East" from in the book Joseph Campbell "Transformations of Myth Through Time" pp101-102. publisher HarperPerennial 1990
"When people talk about mythology and rituals, they usually talk about it from the standpoint of modern mentality. They speak about finding the causes of the world, origin myths, and so on: explanatory myths, what are called etiological myths. That's not what myths are about. Myths do not have to do with analyzing and scientifically discovering causes. Myth has to do with relating the human being to his environment. And before the discovery of these great planetary movements, this was largely the environment of the animal and plant worlds.
So the very early mythologies have to do with relating to the animal world. The problem is that the animal is respected, but the animal is nevertheless killed and eaten. The problem of recognizing what might be called the covenant between the animal world and the human world and recognizing the miracle of life which lives by killing and eating life is a major problem that has to be solved--relating the mind to this act of continually killing and consuming animals and wearing their skins or living in tents made of them. That's one aspect.
The other is the plant world. Again, you are killing and eating life. Both the animal and the plant are like the river Ganges, pouring into the world for your sustenance, and so they are revered. They become the revered powers and symbols to which man must relate himself.
But then comes this discovery of the great cycles of the heavens, and what you find is a great concern to relate the whole organization of the society to this cycling--a tremendous accent on seasonal festivals. These festivals are not meant to control nature. They are meant to put you in accord with nature, and when you are in accord with nature, nature will yield its bounty. This is something that is coming up in our own consciousness now, in the ecology movement's recognizing that by violating the environment in which we are living we are really cutting off the energy and the source of our own living. It's through this sense of accord, living properly in relation to what has to be done in this world, that one fosters the vitality of the environment."
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