Multiculturalism will be the death of us all

[andystx]

Hey, if we're drunk Blue Jays fans it probably means that we were ripped off by the high beer prices at the Skydome. That poor tipping is a result of having no money left.

No shit?
I was always sure you were poor tippers cause you were just scumbags.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Better hold on to what you got then Ollie. Because bailing now is like freefall. "Dave, don't do this Dave."

Ishmael

Oh, I agree. The best chance we have is incremental changes to the existing culture we have here. It's bound to change, though. History stands still for no nation.

I agree with you that we ought to keep the best parts of our culture - liberal democracy, tolerance, legal system, and yes, a moderate multiculturalism. Jihadis of all sorts aren't welcome.

 

[Gringao]

Oh, I agree. The best chance we have is incremental changes to the existing culture we have here. It's bound to change, though. History stands still for no nation.

I agree with you that we ought to keep the best parts of our culture - liberal democracy, tolerance, legal system, and yes, a moderate multiculturalism. Jihadis of all sorts aren't welcome.

Just at Yale, and on their own terms.

 

[Plasmaball]

Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated. NO, not the people, or their reciepes, or even their quaint costumes. But many cultures are not worth the effort of recognition let alone preserved.

The recent trend of moral and cultural equivalency will be the destruction of liberty. Once you start altering your actions, words, beliefs, inoder to accomodate the beliefs of another culture you have begun to surrender your freedom. This is NOT to say that you should go out of your way to insult others. Only to say that if you can't be true to what you believe, what can you be true to? You have entered into the realm of self-denial at this point.

The preservation of society depends on incorporating the best and discarding the rest. If you are unable, or unwilling, to discard the rest then you are inviting the worst into your society. At some point you are going to have to stand up and say "No."

Or maybe you can't.

Ishmael

how boring. It fits you. I think you would look in a school girl uniform

 

[Ishmael]

I'm not sure of the efficacy of such sanctions against tyrannies that are already utterly indifferent to, or even delight in, the suffering of their subjugated populations. As Christopher Hitchens noted, Afghanistan is the first nation ever bombed out of the Stone Age.

Glad you brought Hitchens up.

Here we have a man that believes Clinton was too far to the right espousing the virtues of going into Iraq. It seems that even a socialist knows that neither socialism nor liberty can exist under a culture that ceased to evolve in the 11th century.

And you are entirely correct in your assesment of tyrannies. With one exception, those that have a global impact based on a single resource, like oil. (Or 'spice' if you're a Frank Herbert reader.)

A matter of need/greed vs belief. Belief will always win in a void.

Ishmael

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Just at Yale, and on their own terms.

I think this is where you and I part ways. Saying that someone who believes the Taliban has a right to exist and impose its policies on its people isn't actually akin to that person enacting those policies.

One is speech. The other is action.

 

[garbage can]

survival of the fittest

Ok, who kills whom?

 

[Ishmael]

I think this is where you and I part ways. Saying that someone who believes the Taliban has a right to exist and impose its policies on its people isn't actually akin to that person enacting those policies.

One is speech. The other is action.

Well Ollie, can you be more unclear?

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

I think this is where you and I part ways. Saying that someone who believes the Taliban has a right to exist and impose its policies on its people isn't actually akin to that person enacting those policies.

One is speech. The other is action.

At this moment, there are Talibs in the mountainst of Afghanistan killing Coalition forces, brutalizing villages they enter, murdering people for living a non-Islamic life (as they see it). This fellow was their spokesman and hasn't renounced a thing he did or said in that time.

What can we conclude from Yale's actions?

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Well Ollie, can you be more unclear?

Ishmael

I thought I was very clear, but here goes again:

Forcing burqas on women in New Haven - bad.

Someone on the campus of Yale saying the Taliban ought to be able to force burqas on women - ok.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated. NO, not the people, or their reciepes, or even their quaint costumes. But many cultures are not worth the effort of recognition let alone preserved.

Saying that some cultures are of no interest to you personally is one thing, but saying they should be exterminated is completely another, and is idiotic.

As for whether a culture is "worth the effort" of being preserved, if it isn't on your dime how on earth is it your business? IOW, why is it that wingnuts will defend a person or entities right to shun a culture to the bitter, bitter end.. yet also advocate depriving others of their right to preserve said culture. This is exactly what you are doing here.

 

[Ishmael]

Saying that some cultures are of no interest to you personally is one thing, but saying they should be exterminated is completely another, and is idiotic.

As for whether a culture is "worth the effort" of being preserved, if it isn't on your dime how on earth is it your business? IOW, why is it that wingnuts will defend a person or entities right to shun a culture to the bitter, bitter end.. yet also advocate depriving others of their right to preserve said culture. This is exactly what you are doing here.

Why do you say that? Exterminating a culture is not the same as exterminating real people. Oh, it takes longer, but it's worth the effort, trust me.

Ishmael

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

At this moment, there are Talibs in the mountainst of Afghanistan killing Coalition forces, brutalizing villages they enter, murdering people for living a non-Islamic life (as they see it). This fellow was their spokesman and hasn't renounced a thing he did or said in that time.

What can we conclude from Yale's actions?

I'm not really sure. At least one possibility, though, is that they support academic freedom.

This falls in line with your Sheehan-bashing.

Are these fringe characters really the biggest problem we have right now?

 

[Drinking Cap]

No shit?
I was always sure you were poor tippers cause you were just scumbags.

Hey, you pay 8 bucks for a Labatt's and have money left over to tip.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Why do you say that? Exterminating a culture is not the same as exterminating real people. Oh, it takes longer, but it's worth the effort, trust me.

Ishmael

If private individuals wish to keep a culture alive, how is it your business to say they shouldn't? Even if it is a shitty one, how is it of your affair?

 

[Plasmaball]

If private individuals wish to keep a culture alive, how is it your business to say they shouldn't? Even if it is a shitty one, how is it of your affair?

it gets on his nerve. And shaking his fist cuts into his circlejerk time with A.j

 

[Gringao]

I'm not really sure. At least one possibility, though, is that they support academic freedom.

This falls in line with your Sheehan-bashing.

Are these fringe characters really the biggest problem we have right now?

They're the interesting bits, so we talk about them.

I doubt Yale's interest is academic freedom. They had, prior to admitting the "Boolah-Boolah Mullah" the opportunity to take in Afghan of a comparable educational level - women brutalized by this fellows pals - and they turned it down.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

They're the interesting bits, so we talk about them.

I doubt Yale's interest is academic freedom. They had, prior to admitting the "Boolah-Boolah Mullah" the opportunity to take in Afghan of a comparable educational level - women brutalized by this fellows pals - and they turned it down.

The idea is that in Yale and other institutions of higher learning lie traitors, treasonous types, and the like, and therein the seeds of our nation's downfall?

Something like that?

There's plenty else that we could talk about when it comes to multiculturalism, but you usually seem to take it to traitors in our midst (e.g. the number of communist infiltrators in the U.S. government during the cold war.)

Why is that?

 

[Gringao]

The idea is that in Yale and other institutions of higher learning lie traitors, treasonous types, and the like, and therein the seeds of our nation's downfall?

Something like that?

There's plenty else that we could talk about when it comes to multiculturalism, but you usually seem to take it to traitors in our midst (e.g. the number of communist infiltrators in the U.S. government during the cold war.)

Why is that?

I didn't say that. I asked what it said about Yale. If this is what comes to mind for you, you might ask why that might be; why they would take in the Taliban's top PR flack - Goebbles in a dirty robe - and not any of the women the regime he thumped the tub for brutalized. Can you formulate an asnwer?

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

I didn't say that. I asked what it said about Yale. If this is what comes to mind for you, you might ask why that might be; why they would take in the Taliban's top PR flack - Goebbles in a dirty robe - and not any of the women the regime he thumped the tub for brutalized. Can you formulate an asnwer?

I can't.

I'm guessing you can?

 

[Gringao]

I can't.

I'm guessing you can?

I'm guessing it's like the aformentioned Mrs. Sheehan...the enemy of my enemy and all. The alternative is that they really believe. Take your pick.

 

[Ishmael]

If private individuals wish to keep a culture alive, how is it your business to say they shouldn't? Even if it is a shitty one, how is it of your affair?

That answer is simple. I reserve the right to reject those aspects of cultures I think are inferior to my own. Doesn't make me right, but anyone that tries to silence me does so out of fear that I may be right.

How is it my affair? Any culture that impinges on my own affairs or consumes my government resources (taxes) is my affair. My business, my concern, my money.

For example;

In the late sixties the socialialologists told the black community to be true to their culture. What was that culture? Well, it was based on low class 1600 English culture. So that part of our nation went in search of themselve and what were the results?

A culture of dependency and 'ebonics' emulated by a bunch of white empathyzers who patronized a failed culture. It's become so bad that we have Bill Cosby lecturing the community on their hideous behavior. Behavior tacitly excused by the mantra that "We have no choice" and refuted by the growing, educated, black middle class that does have choices.

So here we have a 'cul;ture' created out of thin air that has failed. Go figure?

Ishmael

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

I'm guessing it's like the aformentioned Mrs. Sheehan...the enemy of my enemy and all. The alternative is that they really believe. Take your pick.

The question I have is for you then is who you think Yale and Sheehan consider the enemy to be - the Bush administration? The United States of America? The capitalist masters who have enslaved the proletariat? Someone/something else?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

That answer is simple. I reserve the right to reject those aspects of cultures I think are inferior to my own. Doesn't make me right, but anyone that tries to silence me does so out of fear that I may be right.

How is it my affair? Any culture that impinges on my own affairs or consumes my government resources (taxes) is my affair. My business, my concern, my money.

For example;

In the late sixties the socialialologists told the black community to be true to their culture. What was that culture? Well, it was based on low class 1600 English culture. So that part of our nation went in search of themselve and what were the results?

A culture of dependency and 'ebonics' emulated by a bunch of white empathyzers who patronized a failed culture. It's become so bad that we have Bill Cosby lecturing the community on their hideous behavior. Behavior tacitly excused by the mantra that "We have no choice" and refuted by the growing, educated, black middle class that does have choices.

So here we have a 'cul;ture' created out of thin air that has failed. Go figure?

Ishmael

You didn't say said some cultures should be "rejected" by you, as is your business. You said that should be exterminated.

Are you standing by your original statement, that "Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated." Yea or nay?

Even if they are self supporting?