Multiculturalism will be the death of us all

[Ishmael]

The question I have is for you then is who you think Yale and Sheehan consider the enemy to be - the Bush administration? The United States of America? The capitalist masters who have enslaved the proletariat? Someone/something else?

There's a 'tell' Ollie.

What I see is a hoard of rebels without a cause. You got, me not. You thief, I be theif too. But I use government. No matter what you do there will always be an underclass. Egalitarianism exists only in the minds of those that seek to dominate.

To the point of your question. They see no enemy at all. They see self aggrandizement. There is nothing noble in their cause.

Now, back to the subject Ollile. You can stay on subject can't you? Killer says you can, if directed.

Ishmael

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

There's a 'tell' Ollie.

What I see is a hoard of rebels without a cause. You got, me not. You thief, I be theif too. But I use government. No matter what you do there will always be an underclass. Egalitarianism exists only in the minds of those that seek to dominate.

To the point of your question. They see no enemy at all. They see self aggrandizement. There is nothing noble in their cause. Now, back to the subject Ollile. You can stay on subject can't you? Killer says you can, if directed.

Self-aggrandizement, huh? That's never a bad answer to a shrink.

I think Gringao's answer will probably be different, though.

I thought you were just trying to be inflammatory starting this thread. I don't believe you really want to get rid of all cultures we deem inferior. Wouldn't that lead inevitably to the one world government far-righties are always worrying about?

 

[Ishmael]

Self-aggrandizement, huh? That's never a bad answer to a shrink.

I think Gringao's answer will probably be different, though.

I thought you were just trying to be inflammatory starting this thread. I don't believe you really want to get rid of all cultures we deem inferior. Wouldn't that lead inevitably to the one world government far-righties are always worrying about?

The 'one world government' nightmare is an inevitabilty Ollie. It'sonly a matter of time. The transition will be through a form of International Federalism and then gravitate towards centralization before collapse. An evolutiionary process.

Not inflammatory Ollie, just recognizing the march of history. The result will be a gestalt, but of what form and propotion? We can keep the taco's and we can off the 'War of the Flowers.'

Ishmael

 

[Plasmaball]

You didn't say said some cultures should be "rejected" by you, as is your business. You said that should be exterminated.

Are you standing by your original statement, that "Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated." Yea or nay?

Even if they are self supporting?

ANSWER HER BITCH

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

The 'one world government' nightmare is an inevitabilty Ollie. It'sonly a matter of time. The transition will be through a form of International Federalism and then gravitate towards centralization before collapse. An evolutiionary process.

Not inflammatory Ollie, just recognizing the march of history. The result will be a gestalt, but of what form and propotion? We can keep the taco's and we can off the 'War of the Flowers.'

I don't disagree, really. Many languages and cultures have disappeared and more or destined to. This doesn't mean that there homogeneity is inevitable, though, even if we do come to all share the same political institutions. There are plenty of regional cultural differences left in the United States. Of course, they're not so different as at of the US from Mexico, but they're still significant.

Then too, I can't imagine different religions and races will cease to exist.

 

[Ishmael]

ANSWER HER BITCH

I did you ignorant cunt.

Ishmael

 

[Plasmaball]

I did you ignorant cunt.

Ishmael

no you didn't.....OWNED

 

[LeahLo519]

...but there are millions and millions of other people that are just as vindictive about this as you are. Except with their beliefs in mind.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

...but there are millions and millions of other people that are just as vindictive about this as you are. Except with their beliefs in mind.

Not sure I follow.

Are you getting at the idea that there's likely to be disagreement about which cultures remain and which pass away and that there's no easy way to settle the question?

 

[Ishmael]

I don't disagree, really. Many languages and cultures have disappeared and more or destined to. This doesn't mean that there homogeneity is inevitable, though, even if we do come to all share the same political institutions. There are plenty of regional cultural differences left in the United States. Of course, they're not so different as at of the US from Mexico, but they're still significant.

Then too, I can't imagine different religions and races will cease to exist.

Once upon a time I would drive all over the nation. Twisting that AM dial to get whatever station I coiuld get. From Muddy Waters to Dick Bionde of WLS fame. I could go to New Orleans and listen to their jazz and rock. Or chicago, or St. Loiuis. Now all I can tell you is that it's east coast or west and even that's getting blurred.

There are the sub-groups to be sure. But no one cares anymore.

And there is the problem Olllie. There is NO where for the disaffected to go anymore. No place to be a pioneer.

" We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place"

Ishmael

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Once upon a time I would drive all over the nation. Twisting that AM dial to get whatever station I coiuld get. From Muddy Waters to Dick Bionde of WLS fame. I could go to New Orleans and listen to their jazz and rock. Or chicago, or St. Loiuis. Now all I can tell you is that it's east coast or west and even that's getting blurred.

There are the sub-groups to be sure. But no one cares anymore.

And there is the problem Olllie. There is NO where for the disaffected to go anymore. No place to be a pioneer.

Space? The Final Frontier?

I'm trying to think of cultural distinctions that will always be with us, and I think class distinctions will probably never go away either. Classes are cultures unto themselves. People have a natural tendency to think of ourselves as "us" vs. "them". We want to belong to a larger group and it's hard to define a group without defining what/who that group is opposed to.

I think even once there's one dominant "world culture" (you could argue that there's one now) there will constantly be subcultures arising to challenge and change the dominant culture.

It's late and I know when I start to sound like Hegel it's time for bed.

 

[Ishmael]

Space? The Final Frontier?

I'm trying to think of cultural distinctions that will always be with us, and I think class distinctions will probably never go away either. Classes are cultures unto themselves. People have a natural tendency to think of ourselves as "us" vs. "them". We want to belong to a larger group and it's hard to define a group without defining what/who that group is opposed to.

I think even once there's one dominant "world culture" (you could argue that there's one now) there will constantly be subcultures arising to challenge and change the dominant culture.

It's late and I know when I start to sound like Hegel it's time for bed.

Actually I agree in most respects. Groups/tribes work well until they actually have to accomplish something. It all comes apart then.

We, as some national group, should have reserved a section of land for the young to go and form their own government on. Doings'a hell of a lot tougher than talking.

'Night Ollie.

Ishmael

 

[Wok]

no you didn't.....OWNED

Right after that statement, he did say

...
NO, not the people, or their reciepes, or even their quaint costumes.
...

 

[Mr.L.J.M]

Ishmael,

What a sad and bitter life you must lead.
When i read your original posting i thought to myself; "this will be very interesting." Even though i could not disagree with your statment more i was looking forward to engaging with you on an iterlectual level. I love a good political/ social debate. However, the arguements and satements you have put forth since then have been pitiful and your responses to other users posting are pathetic.

*the idea that people are only trying to silence your arguement is because of thier own fear that you might be right is ridiculous. If anyone is fearful it is you.
*the idea that global governement is a possiblility in the future is another ridiculous statement. although modernity theorists believed that thi was the way society was heading at the end of the 90's, the turn of the century has bought fresh light on the subject. the appropriate peole have excepeted that this is not possible, mainly because of people like you who feel they have some sort of 'holy than thou' right to 'exterminate' other cultures.

I find it funny your name is Ishmael. How appropriate.

now this will be fun....

 

[MechaBlade]

Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated. NO, not the people, or their reciepes, or even their quaint costumes. But many cultures are not worth the effort of recognition let alone preserved.

The recent trend of moral and cultural equivalency will be the destruction of liberty. Once you start altering your actions, words, beliefs, inoder to accomodate the beliefs of another culture you have begun to surrender your freedom. This is NOT to say that you should go out of your way to insult others. Only to say that if you can't be true to what you believe, what can you be true to? You have entered into the realm of self-denial at this point.

The preservation of society depends on incorporating the best and discarding the rest. If you are unable, or unwilling, to discard the rest then you are inviting the worst into your society. At some point you are going to have to stand up and say "No."

Or maybe you can't.

Ishmael

Fool, multiculturalism is about taking what you like from one culture and ignoring the rest.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The idea is that in Yale and other institutions of higher learning lie traitors, treasonous types, and the like, and therein the seeds of our nation's downfall?

Something like that?

There's plenty else that we could talk about when it comes to multiculturalism, but you usually seem to take it to traitors in our midst (e.g. the number of communist infiltrators in the U.S. government during the cold war.)

Why is that?

Gringao's not saying anything about the university system that Dostoevski hasn't said...

Can they take down the system?

Vietnam.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Fool, multiculturalism is about taking what you like from one culture and ignoring the rest.

No, the current definition is accepting ANY behavior as cultural, like forcing women into slavery as Oliver would have us do; hey it's just their culture. I don't know why the fuck the Left spends so much time pissing and moaning about China's Human Rights abuses and slave labor; it's their culture. And those comments about the Mexicans leaving behind tghe corruption were beyond the pale. I find having to bribe the police a very charming custom, innocent, not sexual...

 

[RoryN]

Cultures are not equal. Some cultures have no business exisitng. They need to be exterminated. NO, not the people, or their reciepes, or even their quaint costumes. But many cultures are not worth the effort of recognition let alone preserved.

The recent trend of moral and cultural equivalency will be the destruction of liberty. Once you start altering your actions, words, beliefs, inoder to accomodate the beliefs of another culture you have begun to surrender your freedom.

...and the myth of political correctness run amuck is furthered by another conspiracy theorist.

Gotta love how some people try so hard to disguise their racism.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Nigger

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

We sure as hell judge "white" culture...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

We easily find our own suspect...

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

No, the current definition is accepting ANY behavior as cultural, like forcing women into slavery as Oliver would have us do; hey it's just their culture. I don't know why the fuck the Left spends so much time pissing and moaning about China's Human Rights abuses and slave labor; it's their culture. And those comments about the Mexicans leaving behind tghe corruption were beyond the pale. I find having to bribe the police a very charming custom, innocent, not sexual...

Did you even read my post, knucklehead?

I said it's protected speech, not protected behavior.

You're dense.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It's "hate" speech...

No longer protected.

 

[MechaBlade]

No, the current definition is accepting ANY behavior as cultural, like forcing women into slavery as Oliver would have us do; hey it's just their culture. I don't know why the fuck the Left spends so much time pissing and moaning about China's Human Rights abuses and slave labor; it's their culture. And those comments about the Mexicans leaving behind tghe corruption were beyond the pale. I find having to bribe the police a very charming custom, innocent, not sexual...

Well, that's not true either, but I guess since I gave a joke response, I'll let this slide.

Nigger

Not laughing.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

it's hate speech to mention what people of other nations ought to be permitted to do?

Find me that statute, chucklenuts.